Corona Virus Updates Part 4

originally posted by: GlobalGold
Right, nothing, just another boring fact

An irrelevant fact.

That post was to rebut (and it did so perfectly) the fake news that Trump somehow made the problem much worse by gutting/crippling the CDC and top leadership at the WH with regard to communicable diseases.

It had absolutely nothing to do with the spread of the virus itself.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: liejunkie01
Only one week later and what are the numbers here in the states?

Wasn't a very good piece to allude to was it?

It rebutted the fake news perfectly.

I find that the skeptics(people believing it isnt that bad) are slowly losing ground in which to stand on. While I do agree with some of what tansta says, some things are a little "graspy".

It isn't bad. 9 dead. 9, out of 350,000,000, in the 2+ months this has been a thing. More people die in bathtub accidents.

And no, I'm not saying any of the things you're probably going to try to extrapolate from that. Yes, it will get worse. It may get much worse, and it may not. But we'll survive.

Its just beginning in the USA.
Maybe they can contain it, maybe they haven't. We'll see in a few days more.

originally posted by: MonkeyBalls2
originally posted by: tanstaafl
"Why should any business, big or small, have to continue to pay people long term, when they are unable to perform the job for which they were contracted to perform?

I mean, yeah, we get paid sick days here, but that is up to the employer/employee to negotiate. Here, I get 6 days a year, and I'm up to 4 weeks of paid vacation. I take my sick days here and there for long weekends, as I'm virtually never sick (sick enough to not go to work at least, maybe a little 12 hour head cold once or twice a year)."

Because they'll get "magic money" loans from the Govt.

Loans have to be repaid. But for this to be fair to the business owner, it would have to be in the form of a tax credit (or some other non-loan type of reimbursement) that covers not only the pay to the sick/non-working 'employee', but also the cost of the new employee the business would have to hire to do the job of the sick/non-working 'employee'.

285 confirmed in France (73 more than yesterday), first case in French Guyana.
Thats on the East, South American coast iirc.

originally posted by: Phoenix

originally posted by: tanstaafl


Let's extrapolate this reality out...

They provide numbers on the flu, but how accurate are those? I never go to the doctor for colds and flu, even when I get it really (been a long time since I started eating right and getting in some HIIT). How many more people out there are there like me?

How many deaths due to flu are recorded as pneumonia, not the flu?

Thats a very nice opinion piece on the under-reporting of case numbers.

In order to make statement as you did then you'd have to agree that number of 3.4% fatality rate published by WHO is low-balled. As is annual FLU death rate.

You can't claim both ways, which is it?

Have been following this the last 1.5 months, and looking into flu and pneumonia, I was quite surprised to find out, from the CDC's own information, that the flu/pneumonia are done from mathematically formulas, since death from the flu is such a lower number. Back in 2004, the CDC increased the number of reported infections and deaths because people were not getting the vaccination. The only way to increase adoption of vaccinations, was to increase the numbers.

For example, in Kansas this 2019-2020 flu season...

1.7% (15) are from Influenza - Contributing causes of death
6.9% (61) are from Influenza - Direct cause of death
26.6% (235) are from pneumonia - Direct cause of death
64.9% (574) are from pneumonia - Contributing cause of death
Total 885

So, all those numbers combined, make up the actual total flu death numbers. It's assumed if you died from pneumonia, you also had the flu, in their mathematically systems. The look at a combination of other factors, based on death certificates and make presumptions, even if there was no actual flu test performed on the person that died.

Did you know that if you take acid reflux medications, you are more like to get pneumonia. Why is this? Because the medications cause you to get it? Nope... it's just that having acid reflux can cause issues in your lungs and sinuses. So, having had lung issues, they were more like to get pneumonia, just as people who get the flu, or SARS, or Corona are likely to get pneumonia and die.

But know.... that the numbers from the CDC are greatly inflated from the actual numbers, so it really is hard to draw any type of conclusion from comparing flu/pneumonia/Corona numbers.

Maybe the media should report the number of actual verified flu/pneumonia deaths each day as well, it would help put everything in more perspective.

I've never been one to get the flu vaccine, but after reviewing the CDC numbers, basically, if I remember correctly, about 80% of those over 60 get the flu vaccine, and only account for 18% of the deaths from flu/pneumonia. The lower you go in the age, the the amount of people who get the vaccine is under 40%, and the death and infection rates are significantly higher. I think it shows the success of the vaccine, but I had honestly never realized this many people died from the flu/pneumonia each year.

Part of the issue in younger people (like kids and teens) with pneumonia, is that the immune system will over-react and that is actually what ends up killing them, their own immune system.

originally posted by: FamCore

originally posted by: celltypespecific
This is a major finding....you will hear learn more about this in news media several days from now.....

Among the 27 viruses isolated from Wuhan, 26 (96.3%) were L type, and only 1 (3.7%) was S type.However, among the other 73 viruses isolated outside Wuhan, 45 (61.6%) were L type, and 28 (38.4%) were S type. This comparison suggests that the L type is significantly more prevalent in Wuhan than in other places (P= 0.0004, Fisher’s exact test, Fig. 6and Table S3).

academic.oup.com...

Perhaps Iran has the L-type based on how hard it's hitting them? Or their government is using the convenient cover of CV to disappear dissidents...

Link I'd posted pages ago on this said:

"They also found that the L type had evolved from the S type, and that the L type was far more widespread before January 7 and in Wuhan...."

www.scmp.com...

originally posted by: UFO1414

"The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday.

www.globaltimes.cn...

Doesn't mean that it damages the immune system forever though, he could be saying that it does make a number on your system and you end up being more prone to other infections while you fully recover.

As far as I know the only connection between it and AIDS is how it uses proteins in order to stick to the body's cells, not much beyond that. He could just have put it in layman's terms like that because AIDS is known for screwing up the immunity system.

Was just going to post this. I'm not smart enough to interpret how bad this really is.

Autopsies show severe damage to COVID-19 patients' lungs and immune system, according to a doctor in Wuhan reached by the Global Times, who called for measures to prevent fibrosis of the lungs at an early stage of the disease.

"The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday.

Peng said he had just talked to Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology. Liu's team has reportedly conducted nine autopsies on deceased COVID-19 patients as of February 24.

"The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients' lungs from irreversible fibrosis," Peng noted.

If irreversible damage is done, other measures, like those to prevent patients from oxygen deficit, will not be of much use, he said.

Maybe they already had fibrosis from the air quality? It seems like a pretty big assumption to assume the fibrosis was caused solely by the virus, unless they had recent scans and X-rays of those patents before they actually were infected.

a reply to: CrazeeWorld777

I have a client on a business trip in India. Told him he needs to get out NOW.

10 dead now.

10th death

It's looking a little worse as the days go by.

originally posted by: ShortBus

originally posted by: UFO1414

"The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday.

www.globaltimes.cn...

Doesn't mean that it damages the immune system forever though, he could be saying that it does make a number on your system and you end up being more prone to other infections while you fully recover.

As far as I know the only connection between it and AIDS is how it uses proteins in order to stick to the body's cells, not much beyond that. He could just have put it in layman's terms like that because AIDS is known for screwing up the immunity system.

Was just going to post this. I'm not smart enough to interpret how bad this really is.

Autopsies show severe damage to COVID-19 patients' lungs and immune system, according to a doctor in Wuhan reached by the Global Times, who called for measures to prevent fibrosis of the lungs at an early stage of the disease.

"The influence of COVID-19 on the human body is like a combination of SARS and AIDS as it damages both the lungs and immune systems," Peng Zhiyong, director of the intensive care unit of the Zhongnan Hospital of Wuhan University in Wuhan, told the Global Times on Friday.

Peng said he had just talked to Liu Liang, a forensic specialist from the Tongji Medical College at Huazhong University of Science and Technology. Liu's team has reportedly conducted nine autopsies on deceased COVID-19 patients as of February 24.

"The autopsy results Liu shared inspired me a lot. Based on the results, I think the most important thing now is to take measures at an early stage of the disease to protect patients' lungs from irreversible fibrosis," Peng noted.

If irreversible damage is done, other measures, like those to prevent patients from oxygen deficit, will not be of much use, he said.

Maybe they already had fibrosis from the air quality? It seems like a pretty big assumption to assume the fibrosis was caused solely by the virus, unless they had recent scans and X-rays of those patents before they actually were infected.

Pulmonary fibrosis doesn't look like something you can have, and just work normally every day.
Once you've had, or have, it, you take a good time to recover, if ever, fully.

originally posted by: liejunkie01
10 dead now.

10th death

It's looking a little worse as the days go by.

www.nbcnews.com... der

I have noticed that the amount of people mocking and poking fun of the panic are starting to dwindle.

It's almost like more people are starting to realize that maybe there just might be a problem.

So this article makes me think back to TDawg talking about waves and that there are different strains.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

originally posted by: liejunkie01
I have noticed that the amount of people mocking and poking fun of the panic are starting to dwindle.

It's almost like more people are starting to realize that maybe there just might be a problem.

I think we're getting to the point where it's easier to list the countries that are "free" from it so far.
Yet that number is probably set to dwindle.

Home Brewed Hand Sanitizer can be made using rubbing alcohol and aloe vera gel - the mix should consist of no less than 60% alcohol and no more than 40% aloe vera gel.

Interesting - I haven't read a lot on this yet but very good to know (read this on a professional networking site)

Hmmm..????

originally posted by: FamCore
Home Brewed Hand Sanitizer can be made using rubbing alcohol and aloe vera gel - the mix should consist of no less than 60% alcohol and no more than 40% aloe vera gel.

Interesting - I haven't read a lot on this yet but very good to know (read this on a professional networking site)

www.theverge.com...

I know, The Verge, but yay
They have a pretty good explanation.

a reply to: celltypespecific

Seems related ...

. Daily Mail: TWO strains of the killer coronavirus are spreading, study claims.

TWO strains of the killer coronavirus are spreading around the world - and 70% of infected patients have caught the more aggressive and contagious type, study claims

originally posted by: celltypespecific
Hmmm..????

I'm sorry but i think i see too many M's in that signature (not politically affiliated).
The "Trump" bit....
Waaaay off topic *cough cough* (on topic?)
((I'll get me coat))

originally posted by: Furryhobnob
Didn't the Spanish flu kill more the second time around, let's hope that's not the case here.

Agreed.

Interestingly, I think I found the discrepancy about the CFR for the Spanish Flu.

I've seen lots of references to a supposed 2-3% CFR for it.

BUT...

The CDC says very clearly that about 500 million were infected, and there were about 50 million deaths, which, by my maths, is about a 10% CFR.

But I was reading this article that describes it as killing as many as 100 million people - or about 3% of the worlds population.

So, apparently, the 2-3% figure somehow got conflated as the CFR, when it was actually the percentage of the world population that was killed. Can anyone check me here?