Corona Virus Updates Part 4

originally posted by: celltypespecific
So Its OFFICIAL now the DEATH rate for covid19 is:

3.4%

Based on... what data? Oh, a bunch of incomplete data most of which (that coming from China) is extremely questionable?

Also, that number is skewed until you look at the breakdown of who is most at risk.

What we need to focus on are those most at risk.

The way to do that is stop the fear-mongering, and explain things rationally to people - that the vast majority - young and healthy - will either remain asymptomatic or have only minor symptoms - and that we need to do what we can to protect, and if necessary, treat those most at risk.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
Math error... and I'm an engineer.

Hah! No worries, especially since the math is meaningless at this point. We need a lot more data before we can even begin to determine a real CFR.

It seems no problem earlier threads and such using published numbers, but now, its a problem requiring a "lot" more data to be sure of numbers.

That wouldn't be because now published numbers tend to disagree with suppositions made.

Huge difference between 0.2% and 3.4% - millions in fact!

So I understand supposed point - claim is made that annual flu number is inflated to sell vaccines, therefor, CV-19 is inflated to scare why? report back with just the facts as fond of claiming.

Breaking | Pet dog of Covid-19 patient infected, Hong Kong health officials confirm

Hong Kong health authorities confirmed on Wednesday that a pet dog belonging to a Covid-19 patient had contracted the coronavirus, with experts calling it the first reported case of human-to-animal transmission.
- Pomeranian first tested ‘weak positive’ last Friday, suggesting it was surface contamination, with dog picking up traces of the virus in its nose and mouth
- Animal now has low-level infection and experts unanimously conclude human-to-animal transmission

www.scmp.com...

On an optimistic note new cases in China were lower Tuesday than on the previous day. However, the number of new cases outside of China now exceeds the number of new cases in China.

Also, researchers in China have identified two different strains of the virus, one much more aggressive than the other. They believe at this time that the more aggressive version is responsible for 70% of the current infections with 30% going to the less aggressive strain.

link

increase in japan now

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: tanstaafl

Don't be so rational. Rationality is not appreciated nowadays. 😂

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
It's a disgrace!

This is what taxes are paid for. This is what governments and politicians are for. Public health is a priority, not a cash cow!

Relax... what I'm hoping is this will actually bring to light a lot of shortcomings in both the leadership, the system itself, and the way insurance companies are allowed to pick and choose what they will pay for and what they won't pay for.

I see really good things coming out of this.

Also, I would be extremely surprised if Trump or someone in leadership doesn't come out soon and explain that no one will be forced to pay for these test - some kind of waiver, or outright change to insurance regulations that requires them to pay for it, 100% (no co-pay).

UPDATE: Second case of coronavirus found at EU offices in Brussels, according to AFP

twitter.com...

a reply to: Vroomfondel

China said there were virtually NO new cases outside of Hubei province in the last 2 weeks, does anyone with a single brain cell believe that whatsoever? (source: Chris Martenson, PhD in Pathology - here's the vid, start at 15:15: )

I would say China's numbers are even more distorted than they were in the past (Iran is also completely fake numbers as they say there are zero "serious" conditions but both the number of infected and deceased are both very high relative to other places)

a reply to: tanstaafl

Based on the World Health Organisation
www.youtube.com...

a reply to: tanstaafl

Based on the World Health Organisation
www.youtube.com...

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originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: celltypespecific
So Its OFFICIAL now the DEATH rate for covid19 is:

3.4%

Based on... what data? Oh, a bunch of incomplete data most of which (that coming from China) is extremely questionable?

Also, that number is skewed until you look at the breakdown of who is most at risk.

What we need to focus on are those most at risk.

The way to do that is stop the fear-mongering, and explain things rationally to people - that the vast majority - young and healthy - will either remain asymptomatic or have only minor symptoms - and that we need to do what we can to protect, and if necessary, treat those most at risk.

I believe it is constantly being updated.

We all know that these numbers are skewed, but it is the numbers the "authorities" are using. You know, the authorities making all of the rules and regulations about how we should live our lives.

We need some kind of starting point. It just so happens that this is the starting point. As more data comes in, the numbers will be adjusted, which has happened already a few times, has it not?

It is what it is and this is what we have to go on for the moment.

How can you argue that?

The numbers are skewed, we got it.

UK at 85 confirmed cases... link to follow

Link BBC

a reply to: Agit8dChop

The WHO did not test 7 billion people and they don't know the unreported cases of infected, recovered and deaths.

But in the bubble they measure they are right.

Hong Kong guide for infectious people to quarantine their pets (.pdf):

www.pets.gov.hk...

originally posted by: Dumbass
a reply to: Agit8dChop

The WHO did not test 7 billion people and they don't know the unreported cases of infected, recovered and deaths.

But in the bubble they measure they are right.

They dont need to test 7 billion people. I'm not sure you understand what the % represents.

Yes, I understand that China's figures are unreliable, but there's significant outbreaks in Iran and Italy and South Korea now that data can be measured.

I was actually reassured when I heard that figure.. The WHO has been reluctant to put much numbers or specifics on any of this. You first need to see the problem - before you can fix it.

3.4% not great not terrible. It should put to bed all the nonsense that ''this is just like the flu''

a reply to: GlobalGold
From your link:

with dog picking up traces of the virus

As if the virus leaves footprints.
It didn't pick up traces, it was infected with the virus.
The dog got the virus and is a reservoir for it at this point.

originally posted by: pasiphae
That's kind of significant since there has been a lot of talk about the rate being lower because the Wuhan numbers skew things.

Of course the Chinese numbers are totally skewed.

If they do end up showing a bunch of deaths, you have to remember, these will be for all kinds of reasons that don't apply here - maybe they were shot, maybe they died of thirst (being welded inside their homes), maybe they died of complications from being sick that no one here would die from.

And maybe there was a very different bug that escaped from the lab, and/or a very different co-factor present in China that isn't present here.

Regardless - what we need to focus on is getting lots of reliable test kits available to our front line doctors so they can test people at risk (symptoms, or had contact with confirmed cases). Then and only then will we have the beginning of some reliable data that we can use for the modeling.

All that said - people are not dropping dead in the streets, this has been going on for months and we have 9 dead total.

Yes, there will be more confirmed cases, and yes, there will be more deaths.

But a question to those shouting so loudly about the lack of action on the part of our/their governments...

Short of welding people into their homes for a month or two, and/or shooting those who are confirmed or suspected of carrying the virus - what exactly do you think should be done?

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