Corona Virus Updates Part 4

The thing is... the FLU numbers generated by the CDC are mathematically formulas because they don't the REAL number of FLU deaths is not very high. So they inflate the numbers so people will get vaccines. This happened in like 2004 when they changed how they would report numbers.

It's all bogus.

Link/evidence in support?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Italy and South Korea are not part of the US. I am talking about US infections being overwhelmingly positioned in sanctuary cities. Our circumstances are different than Italy. Or South Korea who shares a border with North Korea who has under the table trade directly with China every single day.

You are talking apples and oranges here.

I never said the only way the infections can appear somewhere is due to sanctuary cities. You people with this sick agenda are really amazing. I showed a map with an overlay that explains the current situation here in the US. I did not say one word about Italy or South Korea. Obviously circumstances there are different.

Hi someone please let me know why was it ITALY the first European country severely effected by covid19?

Any thoughts...speculation...?

This has not been discussed in the media to my knowledge.
Thank-you

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Ummm. Pretty sure Italy has a huge, I mean HUGE immigrant population. So maybe more like Granny Smiths to Galas, or Red Delicious to Honeycrisp....

I hear poverty-stricken Africans love China as much as our Central American neighbors....

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: slatesteam
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Pffft. Not like those are major metropolitan areas with Int’l airports. I’m sure all the illegals you’re referring to just got back from vacation in China. Get outta here

So how do you explain the absence of infections in the many cities with international airports that are not sanctuary cities? There must be a reason for such a huge disparity.

I think you should look at jadedANDcynical's post. The hot spots all look like places that have had people quarantined. The quarantines weren't long enough AND I'm pretty sure they weren't taking proper precautions with the military personnel transporting and taking care of them.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Considering not even the experts have a handle on how and why this is spreading I think it's a bit of a stretch to blame the sanctuary cities.

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: celltypespecific

Does anyone know what the criteria are for setting the severity levels?

I think it was the mortality rate...

www.cdc.gov...

This pandemic severity index is a great find.

One thing to note though: The deaths at 1% mortality (CFR), are twice that of 0.5%. 2% is twice that of 1%.

This is not realistic. This only reflects deaths if the same level of medical care is achieved throughout. With many getting infected at once, this is impossible, so CFR effectively increases*. There will also be at least the same amount of deaths from lack of services in such situations, possibly even violence.

* coming back to this. It is actually possible that the best care makes very little difference. Italy for example, first world services, is showing a high CFR. Not Wuhan but comparable. Wuhan could well be hell on earth right now, but if CFR there is not appreciably higher than say Italy, it stands to reason that those that are going to die, will likely die, no matter what current standards of care can offer. So much margin for error in figures, even if you could believe those figures, but worth consideration.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
Hi someone please let me know why was it ITALY the first European country severely effected by covid19?

Any thoughts...speculation...?

This has not been discussed in the media to my knowledge.
Thank-you

My guess would be complacency at the start of it, much like were seeing in the U.S, I suspect in another month the U.S will see exponential growth of the virus.

originally posted by: slatesteam
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Because it’s just getting started? And maybe people don’t show symptoms. And maybe talk to me in a month?

Like just maybe? Go attend a rally or something....

Maybe we must care about this thing doesn’t care about sanctuary cities.....

Join us in the General Discussion thread where these things go over better as they ain’t updates per se.
not all the donuts have been licked yet...

i do care.

That is why I won't overlook such on obvious disparity in distribution of cases for the sake of being pc.

Roughly 85% of US cases are in sanctuary cities/states. The map overlay I posted shows the locations of infections and the locations of sanctuary cities. Its not just international airports. Its not just travel opportunities. Its not just business contacts. There is more to it than that.

I am looking at the maps today. A month from now who knows what they will look like. If there are hundreds of cases that are not in sanctuary cities will you be able to say with confidence that those cases had nothing to do with the present day cases?

If you can, i would like to know how...

I'm in nebraska. My employer just put out travel and shipping restrictions. Just a heads up. We make medical supplies.

I haven't seen this posted or reported yet. Mind you, this thread moves fast.

Wuhan Coronavirus death tolls over 50,000 or more: Billionaire whistleblower



Ahhh, they got me. It's the GD Jim Bakker Show. Appearantly he's been selling prepper merch.

I'll still leave it up.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Cars.

The advantage in the US that does not exist in South Korea and Italy is we drive, alone, often.

In China, Italy and SK public transport is the norm, also happens to be the prime places to be exposed to infected people other than work environment.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

I already am Sir. What makes you think CNN/FOX has any idea how far this thing has already spread. Trump? Bernie? Biden? Bloomberg?

Been here for over two months. Tell ya what, I’ll bet a week, two tops maybe this is everywhere. Everywhere!
If not already. Get a grip aye. Why are we even debating sanctuary cities is beyond me....
#virusesdontvote

Edit: Wanna tell me how many people from other nations are dead in the long-term facility in WA? Couldn’t just be old folks? And please don’t gimme the “I bet those workers at that facility are from Honduras”....

I’ll wait....

originally posted by: UFO1414
Chinatown, New York. The dude on the ground is wearing a mask.

This video has no context. So it could be anything...

Just thought I'd post it.

What I find so different between this video and the videos of collapsed people in SK and China is that people are moving in closer to look at the victim.

The people in China and SK ran the other way.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
Hi someone please let me know why was it ITALY the first European country severely effected by covid19?

Any thoughts...speculation...?

This has not been discussed in the media to my knowledge.
Thank-you

Rome is a popular tourist destination? Add to that the fact that a lot of Chinese nationals live there (particularly in the Lombardy region) and...

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67

originally posted by: celltypespecific

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: celltypespecific

Does anyone know what the criteria are for setting the severity levels?

I think it was the mortality rate...

This pandemic severity index is a great find if it's real. Not saying it isn't, I just haven't looked.

One thing to note though: The deaths at 1% mortality (CFR), are twice that of 0.5%. 2% is twice that of 1%.

This is not realistic. This only reflects deaths if the same level of medical care is achieved throughout. With many getting infected at once, this is impossible, so CFR effectively increases*. There will also be at least the same amount of deaths from lack of services in such situations, possibly even violence.

* coming back to this. It is actually possible that the best care makes very little difference. Italy for example, first world services, is showing a high CFR. Not Wuhan but comparable. Wuhan could well be hell on earth right now, but if CFR there is not appreciably higher than say Italy, it stands to reason that those that are going to die, will likely die, no matter what current standards of care can offer. So much margin for error if figures, even if you could believe those figures, but worth consideration.

Hi Oppen,
Yes its real, below is the link from the CDC:

www.cdc.gov...

Thank you for lifting my veil of ignorance. So much to research, along with normal life, I don't always have time to look things up. But thank you for putting it out there clear as day. I have edited my post accordingly.

The circles are infections, the squares are sanctuary cities. Based on current numbers roughly 85% of US infections are in self proclaimed sanctuary cities/states. So, is it coincidence?

Yes, absolutely a coincidence. The infections are spreading primarily from cities with airports that are common destinations from other countries. Which is being witnessed happening in cities across the globe. The U.S. is not a special case, where immigrants are creating the outbreaks. Can an immigrant catch and spread it? Sure. It's not -the- reason however, as you are suggesting. That is completely ridiculous.

It was pointed out that 7 out of 10 areas with cases were the landing spots of citizens flown back by our government, to the airports they directed they be taken. I'd say that's much more likely. That, and U.S. citizens returning on flights from Iran, Italy, China and other countries. Not some vagrant migrants - that is a ridiculous premise.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
Hi someone please let me know why was it ITALY the first European country severely effected by covid19?

Any thoughts...speculation...?

This has not been discussed in the media to my knowledge.
Thank-you

Italy originally tested way more people than anyone else.

a reply to: Strifingsoul

That is exactly what I mean with "I don't get why you have to do it now" as that should have been done when there was no cloud in the sky..

As you say, it was sudden in Italy (but granted a few weeks after the first reports). And that will have hurt a lot of people trying prepare in that region.