Corona Virus Updates Part 4

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: pasiphae
There is this though:

"A young woman from Wuhan, China visited five family members, who all contracted novel coronavirus, COVID-19, in the first-ever documented case of an asymptomatic carrier with normal chest CT imaging results, researchers found."

Yep, but its from China - so totally untrustworthy, anecdotal at best, but definitely not 'proof'.

Okay well Vroomfondel confirmed what I have been reading. Also a reporter called him out on that and he deferred to the woman next to him (forget her name) and she basically didn't answer. She talked about the 1% of people tested who didn't have symptoms and said that they were not actually asymptomatic but PREsymptomatic because they later developed symptoms. She never actually answered the question but if someone can test positive and not have symptoms does that not mean there's already viral shedding going on? Anyway, my point is she didn't answer the question from the very concerned reporter who also had obviously thought it could spread with no symptoms. I think Vroomfondel may be right. Possibly they are saying that so people will stop hoarding masks that health care workers desperately need. There was talk about how PPE's were in low supply and it was a huge issue.

Typical double speak: "They are not asymptomatic, they just aren't showing any symptoms..."

It is becoming quite clear that TPTB are facing two very dangerous potentials - covid-19 and panic.

I pointed out the map of US outbreaks showing by far the greater majority of US infections in sanctuary cities/states, not as political baiting but as a simple direct observation. It is entirely possible that the concentrations of cases in sanctuary cities is purely coincidental. And it is also entirely possible that the concentrations of cases is due to illegal aliens carrying the virus here in an attempt to escape other highly contaminated areas. After all, they brought small pox and polio here again. Why not covid-19?

Realistically speaking, there aren't many countries where someone fleeing an outbreak in their homeland could turn to right now. At least not without intense vetting and quarantine, if even then. A border as easily crossed as the southern US is very attractive to someone who doesn't want to get caught in miles of red tape and bureaucratic posturing.

SFO and SeaTac also take in a large sum of international flights from Eastern Asia. To me that has little to do with sanctuary cities and more to do with frequency of potential exposure

And my point is that a porous border and sanctuary cities who welcome and help protect illegals from immigration increase the potential of exposure...

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?
Take your ignorance to the mud pit and quit watching so much Fox News.

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Maybe you can explain why the infections in the US are all in sanctuary cities/states with the only outliers on that path in Texas and Nebraska - with very few infections of their own. Is it coincidence? If so - please show how you came to that conclusion...

But nice job of importing insults fit for the mud pit to this thread. Keep up the great work.

I think your brain is just so hard wired to think of everything from some political perspective, that you think sanctuary cities have something to do with this .

Was it those illegal Chinese aliens who brought this into America ? Or the Latino illegal aliens ??

I am just observant, nothing more.

Words seem to not work with you so here is a pretty picture that perhaps you can explain...



The circles are infections, the squares are sanctuary cities. Based on current numbers roughly 85% of US infections are in self proclaimed sanctuary cities/states. So, is it coincidence?

Edit: I didn't line up the edges perfectly or size the overlay pixel for pixel with the matte. Too much effort for one person who won't believe it anyway...

a reply to: UFO1414

We could work the numbers backwards as well.

In that case, 9 is 3.4% of 264. Meaning there are nearly 100 unreported cases.

Assumptions above are that the CFR of 3.4% is accurate, and that only 9 have actually died of Covid19 related complications.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
So £100 million and a quarter of a million race goers is worth risking people's health????
WAY TO GO CHELTENHAM COUNCIL!!!!

Angry f'ing Rainbows
Jane

I've been out all day, just catching up - is it going ahead?!

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical

originally posted by: UFO1414

And the US numbers by state.

www.nytimes.com...

Hm:

Source

Merely correlation or is it, in fact this time, causation?

Thank you for posting this... astute observation

Really? Link?

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: pasiphae
There is this though:

"A young woman from Wuhan, China visited five family members, who all contracted novel coronavirus, COVID-19, in the first-ever documented case of an asymptomatic carrier with normal chest CT imaging results, researchers found."

Yep, but its from China - so totally untrustworthy, anecdotal at best, but definitely not 'proof'.

Okay well Vroomfondel confirmed what I have been reading. Also a reporter called him out on that and he deferred to the woman next to him (forget her name) and she basically didn't answer. She talked about the 1% of people tested who didn't have symptoms and said that they were not actually asymptomatic but PREsymptomatic because they later developed symptoms. She never actually answered the question but if someone can test positive and not have symptoms does that not mean there's already viral shedding going on? Anyway, my point is she didn't answer the question from the very concerned reporter who also had obviously thought it could spread with no symptoms. I think Vroomfondel may be right. Possibly they are saying that so people will stop hoarding masks that health care workers desperately need. There was talk about how PPE's were in low supply and it was a huge issue.

Typical double speak: "They are not asymptomatic, they just aren't showing any symptoms..."

It is becoming quite clear that TPTB are facing two very dangerous potentials - covid-19 and panic.

I pointed out the map of US outbreaks showing by far the greater majority of US infections in sanctuary cities/states, not as political baiting but as a simple direct observation. It is entirely possible that the concentrations of cases in sanctuary cities is purely coincidental. And it is also entirely possible that the concentrations of cases is due to illegal aliens carrying the virus here in an attempt to escape other highly contaminated areas. After all, they brought small pox and polio here again. Why not covid-19?

Realistically speaking, there aren't many countries where someone fleeing an outbreak in their homeland could turn to right now. At least not without intense vetting and quarantine, if even then. A border as easily crossed as the southern US is very attractive to someone who doesn't want to get caught in miles of red tape and bureaucratic posturing.

SFO and SeaTac also take in a large sum of international flights from Eastern Asia. To me that has little to do with sanctuary cities and more to do with frequency of potential exposure

And my point is that a porous border and sanctuary cities who welcome and help protect illegals from immigration increase the potential of exposure...

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?
Take your ignorance to the mud pit and quit watching so much Fox News.

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Maybe you can explain why the infections in the US are all in sanctuary cities/states with the only outliers on that path in Texas and Nebraska - with very few infections of their own. Is it coincidence? If so - please show how you came to that conclusion...

But nice job of importing insults fit for the mud pit to this thread. Keep up the great work.

I think your brain is just so hard wired to think of everything from some political perspective, that you think sanctuary cities have something to do with this .

Was it those illegal Chinese aliens who brought this into America ? Or the Latino illegal aliens ??

I am just observant, nothing more.

Words seem to not work with you so here is a pretty picture that perhaps you can explain...

The circles are infections, the squares are sanctuary cities. Based on current numbers roughly 85% of US infections are in self proclaimed sanctuary cities/states. So, is it coincidence?

Edit: I didn't line up the edges perfectly or size the overlay pixel for pixel with the matte. Too much effort for one person who won't believe it anyway...

Start a thread on your hypothesis and stop distracting from this thread . Are you going to start blaming liberals next ?

originally posted by: celltypespecific
Follow the money...gives you an idea of the scale of the problem....

www.worldbank.org... ponse?cid=SHR_SitesShareTT_EN_EXT

This is peanuts compared to what is being used to prop up the markets at the moment. $6 TRILLION lost.

www.cnbc.com...

This is where they are fighting coronavirus.

Meanwhile, in the UK for example, much like the US, there was a health minster on TV this morning saying how schools should not be closed, even if there is a case there. The same guy, the day before, who said I didn't come into politics to make these kinds of decisions. YOU ARE THE EFFING HEALTH MINISTER!! Today he had a cushy interview where he could spout lines over and over again about how this is his job, to make tough decisions, to keep the public safe. Monsters. The public are suitable dumbed down, they might just buy it.

I want to know when I should take my kids out of school. They are not going to tell me.

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: celltypespecific

Does anyone know what the criteria are for setting the severity levels?

I think it was the mortality rate...

a reply to: FamCore

There must be one in Alaska....

The only other option is to fly Alaskans to Seattle....

Thats weird..

ETA: nevermind I thought there was one in Seattle......

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: pasiphae
There is this though:

"A young woman from Wuhan, China visited five family members, who all contracted novel coronavirus, COVID-19, in the first-ever documented case of an asymptomatic carrier with normal chest CT imaging results, researchers found."

Yep, but its from China - so totally untrustworthy, anecdotal at best, but definitely not 'proof'.

Okay well Vroomfondel confirmed what I have been reading. Also a reporter called him out on that and he deferred to the woman next to him (forget her name) and she basically didn't answer. She talked about the 1% of people tested who didn't have symptoms and said that they were not actually asymptomatic but PREsymptomatic because they later developed symptoms. She never actually answered the question but if someone can test positive and not have symptoms does that not mean there's already viral shedding going on? Anyway, my point is she didn't answer the question from the very concerned reporter who also had obviously thought it could spread with no symptoms. I think Vroomfondel may be right. Possibly they are saying that so people will stop hoarding masks that health care workers desperately need. There was talk about how PPE's were in low supply and it was a huge issue.

Typical double speak: "They are not asymptomatic, they just aren't showing any symptoms..."

It is becoming quite clear that TPTB are facing two very dangerous potentials - covid-19 and panic.

I pointed out the map of US outbreaks showing by far the greater majority of US infections in sanctuary cities/states, not as political baiting but as a simple direct observation. It is entirely possible that the concentrations of cases in sanctuary cities is purely coincidental. And it is also entirely possible that the concentrations of cases is due to illegal aliens carrying the virus here in an attempt to escape other highly contaminated areas. After all, they brought small pox and polio here again. Why not covid-19?

Realistically speaking, there aren't many countries where someone fleeing an outbreak in their homeland could turn to right now. At least not without intense vetting and quarantine, if even then. A border as easily crossed as the southern US is very attractive to someone who doesn't want to get caught in miles of red tape and bureaucratic posturing.

SFO and SeaTac also take in a large sum of international flights from Eastern Asia. To me that has little to do with sanctuary cities and more to do with frequency of potential exposure

And my point is that a porous border and sanctuary cities who welcome and help protect illegals from immigration increase the potential of exposure...

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?
Take your ignorance to the mud pit and quit watching so much Fox News.

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Maybe you can explain why the infections in the US are all in sanctuary cities/states with the only outliers on that path in Texas and Nebraska - with very few infections of their own. Is it coincidence? If so - please show how you came to that conclusion...

But nice job of importing insults fit for the mud pit to this thread. Keep up the great work.

I think your brain is just so hard wired to think of everything from some political perspective, that you think sanctuary cities have something to do with this .

Was it those illegal Chinese aliens who brought this into America ? Or the Latino illegal aliens ??

I am just observant, nothing more.

Words seem to not work with you so here is a pretty picture that perhaps you can explain...

The circles are infections, the squares are sanctuary cities. Based on current numbers roughly 85% of US infections are in self proclaimed sanctuary cities/states. So, is it coincidence?

Edit: I didn't line up the edges perfectly or size the overlay pixel for pixel with the matte. Too much effort for one person who won't believe it anyway...

Start a thread on your hypothesis and stop distracting from this thread . Are you going to start blaming liberals next ?

^^^Political trolling and baiting^^^

I am talking about the virus and its locations. You keep trying to make it political so you can attack me for it. Either stay on topic of leave me the phuck alone.

Oh, can you explain the obvious disparity or are you just going to keep deflecting to this political straw man?

a reply to: celltypespecific

Following the scale, Category 6 would be greater than or equal to 3.6 million deaths.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: pasiphae
There is this though:

"A young woman from Wuhan, China visited five family members, who all contracted novel coronavirus, COVID-19, in the first-ever documented case of an asymptomatic carrier with normal chest CT imaging results, researchers found."

Yep, but its from China - so totally untrustworthy, anecdotal at best, but definitely not 'proof'.

Okay well Vroomfondel confirmed what I have been reading. Also a reporter called him out on that and he deferred to the woman next to him (forget her name) and she basically didn't answer. She talked about the 1% of people tested who didn't have symptoms and said that they were not actually asymptomatic but PREsymptomatic because they later developed symptoms. She never actually answered the question but if someone can test positive and not have symptoms does that not mean there's already viral shedding going on? Anyway, my point is she didn't answer the question from the very concerned reporter who also had obviously thought it could spread with no symptoms. I think Vroomfondel may be right. Possibly they are saying that so people will stop hoarding masks that health care workers desperately need. There was talk about how PPE's were in low supply and it was a huge issue.

Typical double speak: "They are not asymptomatic, they just aren't showing any symptoms..."

It is becoming quite clear that TPTB are facing two very dangerous potentials - covid-19 and panic.

I pointed out the map of US outbreaks showing by far the greater majority of US infections in sanctuary cities/states, not as political baiting but as a simple direct observation. It is entirely possible that the concentrations of cases in sanctuary cities is purely coincidental. And it is also entirely possible that the concentrations of cases is due to illegal aliens carrying the virus here in an attempt to escape other highly contaminated areas. After all, they brought small pox and polio here again. Why not covid-19?

Realistically speaking, there aren't many countries where someone fleeing an outbreak in their homeland could turn to right now. At least not without intense vetting and quarantine, if even then. A border as easily crossed as the southern US is very attractive to someone who doesn't want to get caught in miles of red tape and bureaucratic posturing.

SFO and SeaTac also take in a large sum of international flights from Eastern Asia. To me that has little to do with sanctuary cities and more to do with frequency of potential exposure

And my point is that a porous border and sanctuary cities who welcome and help protect illegals from immigration increase the potential of exposure...

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?
Take your ignorance to the mud pit and quit watching so much Fox News.

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Maybe you can explain why the infections in the US are all in sanctuary cities/states with the only outliers on that path in Texas and Nebraska - with very few infections of their own. Is it coincidence? If so - please show how you came to that conclusion...

But nice job of importing insults fit for the mud pit to this thread. Keep up the great work.

I think your brain is just so hard wired to think of everything from some political perspective, that you think sanctuary cities have something to do with this .

Was it those illegal Chinese aliens who brought this into America ? Or the Latino illegal aliens ??

I am just observant, nothing more.

Words seem to not work with you so here is a pretty picture that perhaps you can explain...

The circles are infections, the squares are sanctuary cities. Based on current numbers roughly 85% of US infections are in self proclaimed sanctuary cities/states. So, is it coincidence?

Edit: I didn't line up the edges perfectly or size the overlay pixel for pixel with the matte. Too much effort for one person who won't believe it anyway...

Start a thread on your hypothesis and stop distracting from this thread . Are you going to start blaming liberals next ?

I am talking about the virus and its locations. You keep trying to make it political so you can attack me for it. Either stay on topic of leave the the phuck alone.

Oh, can you explain the obvious disparity or are you just going to keep deflecting to this political straw man?

Just drop it. I see you lack the intellectual maturity to have a discussion with someone who doesn’t agree with you .

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Pffft. Not like those are major metropolitan areas with Int’l airports. I’m sure all the illegals you’re referring to just got back from vacation in China. Get outta here

originally posted by: slatesteam
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Pffft. Not like those are major metropolitan areas with Int’l airports. I’m sure all the illegals you’re referring to just got back from vacation in China. Get outta here

So how do you explain the absence of infections in the many cities with international airports that are not sanctuary cities? There must be a reason for such a huge disparity.

originally posted by: Drachenfel

originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: lostsock

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
Englands NHS have just declared LEVEL 4 Emergency... the highest level!

While this sounds serious, Im not even sure what this really means. I have no context of what a level 4 emergency could be. Do you have a link to share? Im not disputing you I am just trying to understand emergency levels.

It’s absolutely true. Apparently it is the highest level emergency the NHS can call, but I too have no frame of reference so I am also at a bit of a loss. It would help if we could see what kinds of thing lead to a level 1, 2 or 3 emergency NHS wide. That might give us a clue as to how serious they are taking this - which appears to pretty darn serious.

I have a friend who is a former paramedic, and he figured out that one reason for declaring this level of alert was to stop anyone in the NHS from requesting holiday - they can apparently only book holiday a month in advance, and no new holidays can be requested from now.

If you had already booked you might be allowed to take it, but it can be cancelled if staff levels require it.

By declaring now they should have noone in the health service on holiday in a month's time when things may really have kicked off.

I used to work for the NHS and never heard of only booking your annual leave 1 month in advance
At Christmas yes, but any other time of the year you could book ahead of time. Else people would never be able to plan their lives.
Apparently this change to level 4 happened in January and is just being reported now. Probably it releases funding and/or access to emergency planning such as cancelling elective operations.

On another note. A Brit has tested positive in Tenerife at the hotel on 'lockdown'. Altho apparently she was asymptomatic and didn't have any close contact with the Italians who tested positive. So a mystery.
This after they allowed a bunch of UK tourists home cos they tested negative and had no symptoms.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical

originally posted by: UFO1414

And the US numbers by state.

www.nytimes.com...

Hm:

Source

Merely correlation or is it, in fact this time, causation?

Ummmm.... WOW since that is from Feb 20 and I've been saying that 14 day quarantines aren't long enough that is really....... interesting. Damn

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: slatesteam
a reply to: Vroomfondel

Pffft. Not like those are major metropolitan areas with Int’l airports. I’m sure all the illegals you’re referring to just got back from vacation in China. Get outta here

So how do you explain the absence of infections in the many cities with international airports that are not sanctuary cities? There must be a reason for such a huge disparity.

How do explain the spread in Italy and South Korea as they aren't sanctuary cities ?

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: pasiphae
There is this though:

"A young woman from Wuhan, China visited five family members, who all contracted novel coronavirus, COVID-19, in the first-ever documented case of an asymptomatic carrier with normal chest CT imaging results, researchers found."

Yep, but its from China - so totally untrustworthy, anecdotal at best, but definitely not 'proof'.

Okay well Vroomfondel confirmed what I have been reading. Also a reporter called him out on that and he deferred to the woman next to him (forget her name) and she basically didn't answer. She talked about the 1% of people tested who didn't have symptoms and said that they were not actually asymptomatic but PREsymptomatic because they later developed symptoms. She never actually answered the question but if someone can test positive and not have symptoms does that not mean there's already viral shedding going on? Anyway, my point is she didn't answer the question from the very concerned reporter who also had obviously thought it could spread with no symptoms. I think Vroomfondel may be right. Possibly they are saying that so people will stop hoarding masks that health care workers desperately need. There was talk about how PPE's were in low supply and it was a huge issue.

Typical double speak: "They are not asymptomatic, they just aren't showing any symptoms..."

It is becoming quite clear that TPTB are facing two very dangerous potentials - covid-19 and panic.

I pointed out the map of US outbreaks showing by far the greater majority of US infections in sanctuary cities/states, not as political baiting but as a simple direct observation. It is entirely possible that the concentrations of cases in sanctuary cities is purely coincidental. And it is also entirely possible that the concentrations of cases is due to illegal aliens carrying the virus here in an attempt to escape other highly contaminated areas. After all, they brought small pox and polio here again. Why not covid-19?

Realistically speaking, there aren't many countries where someone fleeing an outbreak in their homeland could turn to right now. At least not without intense vetting and quarantine, if even then. A border as easily crossed as the southern US is very attractive to someone who doesn't want to get caught in miles of red tape and bureaucratic posturing.

SFO and SeaTac also take in a large sum of international flights from Eastern Asia. To me that has little to do with sanctuary cities and more to do with frequency of potential exposure

And my point is that a porous border and sanctuary cities who welcome and help protect illegals from immigration increase the potential of exposure...

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?
Take your ignorance to the mud pit and quit watching so much Fox News.

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Maybe you can explain why the infections in the US are all in sanctuary cities/states with the only outliers on that path in Texas and Nebraska - with very few infections of their own. Is it coincidence? If so - please show how you came to that conclusion...

But nice job of importing insults fit for the mud pit to this thread. Keep up the great work.

I think your brain is just so hard wired to think of everything from some political perspective, that you think sanctuary cities have something to do with this .

Was it those illegal Chinese aliens who brought this into America ? Or the Latino illegal aliens ??

I am just observant, nothing more.

Words seem to not work with you so here is a pretty picture that perhaps you can explain...

The circles are infections, the squares are sanctuary cities. Based on current numbers roughly 85% of US infections are in self proclaimed sanctuary cities/states. So, is it coincidence?

Edit: I didn't line up the edges perfectly or size the overlay pixel for pixel with the matte. Too much effort for one person who won't believe it anyway...

Start a thread on your hypothesis and stop distracting from this thread . Are you going to start blaming liberals next ?

I am talking about the virus and its locations. You keep trying to make it political so you can attack me for it. Either stay on topic of leave the the phuck alone.

Oh, can you explain the obvious disparity or are you just going to keep deflecting to this political straw man?

Just drop it. I see you lack the intellectual maturity to have a discussion with someone who doesn’t agree with you .

I will be happy to drop it - as soon as you and your vast intellect explain the obvious disparity I referred to earlier.

I am eagerly awaiting your scintillating response.

a reply to: Vroomfondel

Because it’s just getting started? And maybe people don’t show symptoms. And maybe talk to me in a month?

Like just maybe? Go attend a rally or something....

Maybe we must care about this thing doesn’t care about sanctuary cities.....

Join us in the General Discussion thread where these things go over better as they ain’t updates per se.
not all the donuts have been licked yet...

The 2020 Olympics in Tokyo is scheduled to go ahead as planned .
‘We’ve made a decision’

“No, we've made a decision,” he said. “And the decision is that the games go ahead.”

but:
“The IOC has the right to cancel the games only if they are not held during 2020,” Hashimoto told the nation’s parliament. “This can be interpreted to mean the games can be postponed as long as they are held during the calendar year.”

Personally if the games are to be held, I kind of think no audiences will be present just like the up coming sumo events.
Am I right? Don't know yet. But I have been posting this: Please people don't come to Japan. And there is a reason for this, but it is too difficult to even put in print. The obvious reason would be this: foreigners coming into this country could be carrying the virus and can and will be detained at ports of entry. What we do with them people even at the present time, NO one has made a public statement about their detentions at port of entry and this in fact worries me. Seriously, they (govt) won't let people out of ports of entry with infectious diseases in this country. Its the law.