Corona Virus Updates Part 4

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: pasiphae
There is this though:

"A young woman from Wuhan, China visited five family members, who all contracted novel coronavirus, COVID-19, in the first-ever documented case of an asymptomatic carrier with normal chest CT imaging results, researchers found."

Yep, but its from China - so totally untrustworthy, anecdotal at best, but definitely not 'proof'.

Okay well Vroomfondel confirmed what I have been reading. Also a reporter called him out on that and he deferred to the woman next to him (forget her name) and she basically didn't answer. She talked about the 1% of people tested who didn't have symptoms and said that they were not actually asymptomatic but PREsymptomatic because they later developed symptoms. She never actually answered the question but if someone can test positive and not have symptoms does that not mean there's already viral shedding going on? Anyway, my point is she didn't answer the question from the very concerned reporter who also had obviously thought it could spread with no symptoms. I think Vroomfondel may be right. Possibly they are saying that so people will stop hoarding masks that health care workers desperately need. There was talk about how PPE's were in low supply and it was a huge issue.

Typical double speak: "They are not asymptomatic, they just aren't showing any symptoms..."

It is becoming quite clear that TPTB are facing two very dangerous potentials - covid-19 and panic.

I pointed out the map of US outbreaks showing by far the greater majority of US infections in sanctuary cities/states, not as political baiting but as a simple direct observation. It is entirely possible that the concentrations of cases in sanctuary cities is purely coincidental. And it is also entirely possible that the concentrations of cases is due to illegal aliens carrying the virus here in an attempt to escape other highly contaminated areas. After all, they brought small pox and polio here again. Why not covid-19?

Realistically speaking, there aren't many countries where someone fleeing an outbreak in their homeland could turn to right now. At least not without intense vetting and quarantine, if even then. A border as easily crossed as the southern US is very attractive to someone who doesn't want to get caught in miles of red tape and bureaucratic posturing.

SFO and SeaTac also take in a large sum of international flights from Eastern Asia. To me that has little to do with sanctuary cities and more to do with frequency of potential exposure

And my point is that a porous border and sanctuary cities who welcome and help protect illegals from immigration increase the potential of exposure...

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?
Take your ignorance to the mud pit and quit watching so much Fox News.

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Maybe you can explain why the infections in the US are all in sanctuary cities/states with the only outliers on that path in Texas and Nebraska - with very few infections of their own. Is it coincidence? If so - please show how you came to that conclusion...

But nice job of importing insults fit for the mud pit to this thread. Keep up the great work.

Now in North Carolina.

First North Carolina novel coronavirus case confirmed in Wake County

RALEIGH, N.C. (WTVD) -- One person has tested positive for the novel coronavirus in Wake County, health officials said Tuesday.

In a news release, Cooper said the patient is currently at home in isolation.

"I know that people are worried about this virus, and I want to assure North Carolinians our state is prepared," Cooper said in a written statement. "Our task force and state agencies are working closely with local health departments, health care providers and others to quickly identify and respond to cases that might occur."

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I’ve been focused on things here stateside but a friend just messaged me whom lives in Australia and said they were sent home from work for the rest of this week and next as a coworker came to work and was positive for covid19

twitter.com...

komonews.com...

12 out of 30 seems to be pretty contagious to me, more than just a flu.

a reply to: pasiphae

Hahahahahahahah

That guy didn’t see videos on Twitter of patients being moved between hospitals. I linked a few of them in threads 2 and 3. Bringing WHO to Wuhan was for show, staged and totally controlled. To deny that and accept or draw any conclusions from that report is insanity.

CCP = masters of lying to your face while not engaging in very good cover ups.

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: elitegamer23

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: MaverickLRD

originally posted by: Vroomfondel

originally posted by: pasiphae

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: pasiphae
There is this though:

"A young woman from Wuhan, China visited five family members, who all contracted novel coronavirus, COVID-19, in the first-ever documented case of an asymptomatic carrier with normal chest CT imaging results, researchers found."

Yep, but its from China - so totally untrustworthy, anecdotal at best, but definitely not 'proof'.

Okay well Vroomfondel confirmed what I have been reading. Also a reporter called him out on that and he deferred to the woman next to him (forget her name) and she basically didn't answer. She talked about the 1% of people tested who didn't have symptoms and said that they were not actually asymptomatic but PREsymptomatic because they later developed symptoms. She never actually answered the question but if someone can test positive and not have symptoms does that not mean there's already viral shedding going on? Anyway, my point is she didn't answer the question from the very concerned reporter who also had obviously thought it could spread with no symptoms. I think Vroomfondel may be right. Possibly they are saying that so people will stop hoarding masks that health care workers desperately need. There was talk about how PPE's were in low supply and it was a huge issue.

Typical double speak: "They are not asymptomatic, they just aren't showing any symptoms..."

It is becoming quite clear that TPTB are facing two very dangerous potentials - covid-19 and panic.

I pointed out the map of US outbreaks showing by far the greater majority of US infections in sanctuary cities/states, not as political baiting but as a simple direct observation. It is entirely possible that the concentrations of cases in sanctuary cities is purely coincidental. And it is also entirely possible that the concentrations of cases is due to illegal aliens carrying the virus here in an attempt to escape other highly contaminated areas. After all, they brought small pox and polio here again. Why not covid-19?

Realistically speaking, there aren't many countries where someone fleeing an outbreak in their homeland could turn to right now. At least not without intense vetting and quarantine, if even then. A border as easily crossed as the southern US is very attractive to someone who doesn't want to get caught in miles of red tape and bureaucratic posturing.

SFO and SeaTac also take in a large sum of international flights from Eastern Asia. To me that has little to do with sanctuary cities and more to do with frequency of potential exposure

And my point is that a porous border and sanctuary cities who welcome and help protect illegals from immigration increase the potential of exposure...

What the hell does that have to do with this discussion?
Take your ignorance to the mud pit and quit watching so much Fox News.

You obviously haven't been paying attention. Maybe you can explain why the infections in the US are all in sanctuary cities/states with the only outliers on that path in Texas and Nebraska - with very few infections of their own. Is it coincidence? If so - please show how you came to that conclusion...

But nice job of importing insults fit for the mud pit to this thread. Keep up the great work.

I think your brain is just so hard wired to think of everything from some political perspective, that you think sanctuary cities have something to do with this .

Was it those illegal Chinese aliens who brought this into America ? Or the Latino illegal aliens ??

originally posted by: SpartanStoic
a reply to: pasiphae

Hahahahahahahah

That guy didn’t see videos on Twitter of patients being moved between hospitals. I linked a few of them in threads 2 and 3. Bringing WHO to Wuhan was for show, staged and totally controlled. To deny that and accept or draw any conclusions from that report is insanity.

CCP = masters of lying to your face while not engaging in very good cover ups.

I was really liking the tweets from the doc who wrote this but after today..... not so much. My opinion totally changed just in the time I posted that until now. It's hard to keep up with all this insanity and I've been looking at it every chance I get.

a reply to: Novaroc

I have sent you a message

There’s a drama on Netflix called Containment that was fairly entertaining If anyone is looking for additional Hollywood takes on viruses and quarantines.
1 season 13 episodes.

Experts accuse CDC of withholding "crucial" information about the coronavirus from doctors
The CDC has detailed case files on coronavirus patients. Why has it withheld that information for weeks?

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has withheld "crucial" information about the coronavirus from doctors, medical experts warn.

There are now more than 100 confirmed cases of coronavirus in the U.S., including numerous patients who have already recovered. But the CDC has only shared detailed clinical information about one of those patients, according to CNN. The agency has information about other coronavirus patients, which it has not yet released.

"If you're a doctor dealing with this in the emergency department, you want to know what we've already seen in the United States," Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease expert at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, told the network. "You want to know what symptoms were common? Are there any markers that give a sense when a mild case is likely to progress to a severe case? What do you need to worry about?"

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I find this outrageous and negligent.

originally posted by: UFO1414

And the US numbers by state.

www.nytimes.com...

Hm:


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Merely correlation or is it, in fact this time, causation?

Chinatown, New York. The dude on the ground is wearing a mask.

This video has no context. So it could be anything...



Just thought I'd post it.

the NC case person flew all the way out to Washington State to visit someone at the Kirkland nursing facility. But I guess they made it back before showing symptoms, so according to WHO, they weren't contagious

originally posted by: Dumbass
a reply to: Oleman

What I don't understand from you is that you have to buy it now. This is a slow progressing event. What if there was a sudden event.

Btw your reaction is exactly the polarizing thinking that offsets me from the fear on ATS.

I hope for you that no real sudden event will ever happen in your life as the way you talk now you would not have been prepared at all.

Yeah well... in north Italy was a sudden quarantine )
Just saying. Its slow, but on hotspots can/ might escalate quick. People emptied shops on the same day.

originally posted by: GlobalGold
Good grief - 118 cases in US now!

118 cases and 9 dead...That's a 7.6% CFR. That's really concerning!

Couple new things from NY.
Two families from Buffalo are isolated in their homes after returning from Italy who may have the virus. And an amendment to a paid sick leave bill.

www.wktv.com...

There are also two families in Buffalo who recently returned from a trip to Italy. Cuomo says those people are isolated in their homes while they’re being tested for the virus. While some people remain in quarantine, Cuomo says he wants to amend a bill that will protect their jobs. “I am going to amend the paid sick leave bill that I sent to the legislature to add a specific provision that says people who because of this situation with coronavirus have to be quarantined should be protected. Their employer should pay them for the period and their job should be protected. And I am going to make that amendment to the paid sick leave bill,” said Cuomo. Several colleges are also requiring students studying abroad to return to the United States, and Cuomo says SUNY may follow suit. SUNY officials will make a decision on the fate of their students by Wednesday.

originally posted by: texasgirl

originally posted by: GlobalGold
Good grief - 118 cases in US now!

118 cases and 9 dead...That's a 7.6% CFR. That's really concerning!

Pretty sure there are tons more cases that haven't been reported. Hard to not report a death though.

That number will come down (if cases do get reported).

Follow the money...gives you an idea of the scale of the problem....



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originally posted by: ARM1968

originally posted by: lostsock

originally posted by: CrazeeWorld777
Englands NHS have just declared LEVEL 4 Emergency... the highest level!

While this sounds serious, Im not even sure what this really means. I have no context of what a level 4 emergency could be. Do you have a link to share? Im not disputing you I am just trying to understand emergency levels.

It’s absolutely true. Apparently it is the highest level emergency the NHS can call, but I too have no frame of reference so I am also at a bit of a loss. It would help if we could see what kinds of thing lead to a level 1, 2 or 3 emergency NHS wide. That might give us a clue as to how serious they are taking this - which appears to pretty darn serious.

I have a friend who is a former paramedic, and he figured out that one reason for declaring this level of alert was to stop anyone in the NHS from requesting holiday - they can apparently only book holiday a month in advance, and no new holidays can be requested from now.

If you had already booked you might be allowed to take it, but it can be cancelled if staff levels require it.

By declaring now they should have noone in the health service on holiday in a month's time when things may really have kicked off.

originally posted by: MaverickLRD
There’s a drama on Netflix called Containment that was fairly entertaining If anyone is looking for additional Hollywood takes on viruses and quarantines.
1 season 13 episodes.

I'd also recommend the BBC show 'survivors' (2010 remake) and the show 'The Last Man On Earth' for a comedy about the survivor of a flu that kills everyone else. There's one episode (season 3) showing a flashback to the start of the flu unfolding and it looks like everything thats happening right now.