Corona Virus Updates Part 4

a reply to: Agit8dChop

Great job with your posts. This type of information is one of the biggest reasons I come to this site.

a reply to: ketsuko

My kids are homeschooled, so if their school gets canceled, then I strongly advise all of you to start fasting and praying because the seals are being broken and the Revelations are coming to pass.

a reply to: FamCore

Right now, the US is fine, but if you paid attention, they also told you to prepare.

As far as not stocking up, if everyone hits the stores like they did in Italy it causes problems. People need to avoid French Toast Alert levels of surge shopping so that everyone can get the most they can get without some people getting everything and too many being left without.

We want to keep the US fine for as long as possible to give you time to buy what you need in smaller increments that the stores can handle so the more people can be ready if needed.

I know everyone has the attitude of eff 'em, but more prepared people are less people coming out to try to take what anyone else has because they're desperate.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: ketsuko

My kids are homeschooled, so if their school gets canceled, then I strongly advise all of you to start fasting and praying because the seals are being broken and the Revelations are coming to pass.

Nah, I went to that school growing up. Walked uphill through 2' of snow both ways. They didn't call no snow days ... unless they were having a basketball tournament that night and needed the parking lot clear ...

Seriously, I have my private thoughts on this and loony tinfoil theories tied to belief, but I won't put them here. This isn't the thread for it.

I just tuned in to the World Health Organization giving their latest update on virus live on YouTube. A reporter asked are we nearing the time to declare a pandemic yet. I just heard Dr. Michael Ryan, Executive Director of the WHO Health Emergencies Programme say:

"To declare a pandemic would, it is unhelpful to do that when you're still trying to contain a disease"...."if we use that term then it's like we are admitting that every single person on the planet is going to be exposed to that virus""it's like admitting that we have given up on trying to contain the virus"...etc.

I always thought that once a pandemic was declared, then THAT made it possible to really get serious in order to combat it. Maybe I am mistaken about that. hmmm

Video

originally posted by: Advantage
Here ... I cant believe you all arent freaking out more over the link I posted... here..

New Quarantine rule violate civil liberties

"It is already authorized to detain people suspected of carrying diseases like plague, Ebola, and (somewhat improbably) smallpox. But the new rule does away with a formal list. It extends the same powers to any “quarantinable communicable disease,” and uses wider range of symptoms (from a list that federal agents can update as the need arises) for defining “ill” people."

"The rule also gives the CDC ultimate authority to carry out medical tests and treatments, stating that “the individual's consent shall not be considered as a prerequisite to the exercise of any authority.” That’s medically unethical, says Hodge, since informed consent has been a bedrock of medicine for decades. “If you don’t get it, you could have additional quarantine, but you don’t get to force informed consent on people.”

Thanks for this.

First, that is from Dec of 2016, and references some proposed rules with the above quoted intentions.

I'm unable to find anything stating that these rules ever went into effect.

I have no problem with the power to quarantine being used when needed, and I did find these: CDC - Legal Authorities for Isolation and Quarantine, CDC - Specific Laws and Regulations Governing the Control of Communicable Diseases, 42 U.S.C. 264 and 42 U.S.C. 264.

From my reading, these appear to be applicable only with regard to people traveling, either into the US from a foreign country, or Citizens traveling from one State to another. None of them mention a power to quarantine anyone solely inside a State, that is not traveling between States, which is strange. Maybe they leave that power to the State (could be argued rightly so per the 10th amendment)?

More importantly, I find nothing in any of those that grant such a dangerous power to force any treatment on anyone, against their will or without their informed consent.

Maybe I missed something, or maybe such draconian and UnConstitutional regulations can be found somewhere else?

a reply to: TruthJava

WHO wants to take charge? Not them ...

a reply to: ketsuko

if you paid attention, they also told you to prepare.

Dr. Jerome Adams, the US Surgeon General gave testimony in congress yesterday where he was asked pointedly "Should people consider having extra food in their house" and he said NO (which is even in contradiction to what's on the CDC website), so it depends on who you are listening to.

I would think the US Surgeon General would at least sugar coat it and say something to the effect of "It could be a good idea to have some extra provisions just in case..." but between him and Trump at that briefing the other night you would think this thing doesn't even pose much of a threat to America Continuing to downplay this situation isn't doing anybody any favors... there should at least be some consensus from the leaders on this being a moderate threat which there evidently is not

a reply to: FamCore

Honestly, if you read between the lines, the time to prepare by stocking up on extra provisions was last weekend and before. By the time the surgeon general starts talking to the pop tart masses, the answer is always "NO."

originally posted by: fleabit
Do you really think good nutrition and exercise stops a virus?

I actually know that both will be very effective at developing and maintaining a strong immune system - which, yes, will help the body to be able to fight off a virus.

Are you actually suggesting otherwise?

Trump? He has no idea what he is talking about, although I am sure he will attest he is an expert on viruses.

So, you've already been proven wrong on this ridiculous TDS based claim, but we won't hold our breath for an apology.

He did not replace key positions at CDC after he fired them or people quit, and now we don't have the experts on hand to deal with this properly.

Another totally baseless and false claim. Keep going...

But thank goodness we have VP "cigarettes don't cause cancer homo reeducation center dang I can't control an HIV outbreak" Pence to manage things!

Time for some fact checking...

Pence on smoking:
"Time for a quick reality check. Despite the hysteria from the political class and the media, smoking doesn't kill. In fact, 2 out of every three smokers does not die from a smoking related illness and 9 out of ten smokers do not contract lung cancer. This is not to say that smoking is good for you.... news flash: smoking is not good for you. If you are reading this article through the blue haze of cigarette smoke you should quit. The relevant question is, what is more harmful to the nation, second hand smoke or back handed big government disguised in do-gooder healthcare rhetoric."

Pence on 'homo reeducation centers':
Snopes sometimes gets things right

Pence 'can't control an HIV outbreak' criticism is based solely on his reluctance to initiate needle exchange programs - something I'm against too, but it can be argued that his reluctance made it worse.

And.. stocks are looking GREAT right now! The best.. haven't seen them better.

We all know why the stock market is tanking, genius, and it has nothing to do with Trump, it has to do with severe interruptions in the supply chains from China. This has simply brought home just how important Trumps initiatives to bring our manufacturing facilities home, something the demwits (and some RINOs) in Congress have been fighting him tooth and nail on, I might add.

How you can possibly support that madness boggles the mind.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
Well, glad I bought a whole cow (slaughtered) this summer, and been canning my butt off.

You're canning a cow?

Never heard of that. Care to elaborate? We'll be buying another cow soon, maybe I should hurry it up, and can half of it?

a reply to: 0zzymand0s

I've been prepared and continue to prep as necessary... I've been following this thing for over 6 weeks but most people have not and are not privy to the reality of the situation. I think we can all agree on that at this point

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: ketsuko

if you paid attention, they also told you to prepare.

Dr. Jerome Adams, the US Surgeon General gave testimony in congress yesterday where he was asked pointedly "Should people consider having extra food in their house" and he said NO (which is even in contradiction to what's on the CDC website), so it depends on who you are listening to.

I would think the US Surgeon General would at least sugar coat it and say something to the effect of "It could be a good idea to have some extra provisions just in case..." but between him and Trump at that briefing the other night you would think this thing doesn't even pose much of a threat to America

Continuing to downplay this situation isn't doing anybody any favors... there should at least be some consensus from the leaders on this being a moderate threat which there evidently is not

I think that sounds like he doesn't want people to actually be prepared, like he wants this to work out in the worst possible way.

a reply to: FamCore

OK. So it is established that you want panic shopping akin to what we see in Italy?

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: chiefsmom
Well, glad I bought a whole cow (slaughtered) this summer, and been canning my butt off.

You're canning a cow?

Never heard of that. Care to elaborate? We'll be buying another cow soon, maybe I should hurry it up, and can half of it?

Canned meat is great.
When I was a child, our family canned most of the venison that we harvested. It will make a tough piece of meat tender and keeps without refrigeration.
My grandmother used to make pork sausage patties small enough to fit through the mouth of the jar and can quarts of them. They were delicious.

a reply to: butcherguy

Or he is trying to keep people from panic shopping all across the country. If he said "yes" what do you think they grocery stores and other stores would look like because what do you think the press would do with it?

What did they do with Messonier's comments?

I think a clear, concise fact sheet needs to be put out, but even then, people don't read.

Of course, it could also be that they know that people who are going to prepare are already doing it. Evidence is there that a lot of things are being bought already. Which is better, this level of prep or mass buying?

a reply to: butcherguy

I think that sounds like he doesn't want people to actually be prepared, like he wants this to work out in the worst possible way.

Like you said awhile aback, maybe a strategy to make Social Security solvent again? yikes...

Why are we letting our goverment set us up for disaster

Just why between testing only people who have been to china and telling the masses to not prepare

Only reason I can really think of is they want this to get bad

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: FamCore

OK. So it is established that you want panic shopping akin to what we see in Italy?

No. Nvm I don't want to engage in this debate with you. We disagree on this issue so that's fine

a reply to: FamCore

Oh for sure. I'm just saying if he or any other Federal came out and started telling the masses to keep a two-week supply on hand at this point, the entire supply chain would collapse. People of good faith can argue the fundamental fairness of that fact, but the reality is a stone bitch.