Corona Virus Updates Part 4

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: 1Angrylightbulb
a reply to: 1point92AU

This whole thread is full of information and links. Other than spouting what you believe I haven't seen you put a single link referencing all this data in Black and white and that proves we are all just sheeple and fear mongers.

Funny. I've repeatedly asked you hyperventilating fear mongers to post the facts that support your false claims and yet no one has yet. You know why?

Because there is ZERO data to support your hyperventilating fear mongering hype. That's why.

I can't post a link to the WHO database results because you actually have to do some due diligence and stop being asked to be spoon fed. Go to the WHO database and enter the very simple search criteria so you can see for yourself you have no clue what you are talking about.

Me thinks that you are way too overly influenced by what WHO is feeding you. IMHO.

Our health secretary Matt Hancock has just announced part of their plan is to have ventilator lots for use at home.

a reply to: Diamondgeezur

I am not a doctor or nurse, or even EMT, but I have designed a lot of medical equipment. Maybe it is a difference in terminology, but I just dont see "home ventilators" as being feasible.

My understanding of a "ventilator" is a device that forces air in and out of you lungs, needed by the unfortunate half of "severe cases." And, such a device requires a pretty sophisticated staff including an Anesthesiolgist, IV fluids, and 24hr eyes-on RN.

OTOH, the luckier half of "severe cases" seem to get by with supplimental oxygen. That can be from a tank, or from an oxygen concentrator. I can see that.

I have a 2L/m 90% oxygen concentrator I bought from Amazon. Asked my nurse daughter if doing "intubation" at home was feasible, worth studying and buying supplies for. She told me that was above her pay grade, and would get back to me after she asked her ER RN roommate. Think the answer is gonna be "no."

If anyone knows the answer to home intubation, I would appreciate their insight.

a reply to: Rich Z

Doesn't change the fact that the fear is high on ATS

WHO Staff Member Tests Positive for (Mild case) Coronavirus in Iran

a reply to: Dumbass

Fear is a natural reaction to a possibly life threatening situation, it's called survival instincts. Some don't seem to have them.

Doesn't change the fact that the fear is high on ATS

a reply to: Dumbass

Is it possible that from your perspective of personal lack of knowledge, you misconstrue others' pursuit of understanding and preparation for what they might be challenged with, as fear and panic?

And there I was thinking Necrose had fallen on its sword as the obvious became, well, obvious. Is this a mutation?

Instead of lecturing everyone why not illuminate your posts with some actual information. That would be novel.

It appears in the UK that the large food retailers/supermarkets have a plan, as announced on SKY news yesterday. The plan appears to be a very streamlined inventory of goods which will feed the nation during any major lockdown. That will be interesting.

The UK are also likely to see a number of new cases today and the release of government plans should things start to get out of hand - well, some of their plans. If we see a spike of 20 or more new cases i imagine some of these plans may well start to be implemented. a reply to: 1point92AU

Would I be way off beam with my summary of this thing if I say vaccines....when/if they get one will probably only help those who have not contracted it. This thing damages your lungs and has up to 4 cycles that we know of so far. Nucleic acid tests can fail to pick it up, swabbing can fail to pick it up, x-rays however do pick it up. Hence people are given the all clear only to develop symptoms later. This thing can lie dormant for up to a month that we know of so far (encubation) in the meantime you are spreading it totally un-aware. This thing is going to be around for a long while yet I think. Neither do I think we are going to see huge amount of deaths, but we will start seeing huge numbers of respiratory issues which as we age become more difficult to handle. Perfect way for culling an ageing population world wide.

Just my thoughts, happy to be corrected.

Rainbows
Jane

Good news everyone, I've forwarded the posts from 1point92AU to all the Governments of the world, and they've all agreed that they have been totes foolish and will immediately drop all planning in relation to this issue.

China will immediately ramp industry back up to 100% and stop spraying God knows what God knows where.
Italy will stop the quarantine foolishness.
'Merica will get back to the election.
South Korea will stop picking on Charlie Churchies.
Iran will... well Iran will keep licking things...wierdos (sorry if you're Iranian, but that # is just strange).
And the dozens of other countries will scale back the worst case planning around this non-event (very sheepishly, they assure me).

Oh, and since you keep referencing WHO so much, I contacted them directly, and they have given me a resolute assurance that they will stop being "deeply concerned".

So thanks slugger - you da best.

P.S. - I'd include copies of my correspondence, but - hey - you show me your's and I'll show you mine

originally posted by: angelchemuel
Would I be way off beam with my summary of this thing if I say vaccines....when/if they get one will probably only help those who have not contracted it. This thing damages your lungs and has up to 4 cycles that we know of so far. Nucleic acid tests can fail to pick it up, swabbing can fail to pick it up, x-rays however do pick it up. Hence people are given the all clear only to develop symptoms later. This thing can lie dormant for up to a month that we know of so far (encubation) in the meantime you are spreading it totally un-aware. This thing is going to be around for a long while yet I think. Neither do I think we are going to see huge amount of deaths, but we will start seeing huge numbers of respiratory issues which as we age become more difficult to handle. Perfect way for culling an ageing population world wide.

Just my thoughts, happy to be corrected.

Rainbows
Jane

not sure. i would say it's equally possible that if it wouldn't get out of hand, the governments wouldn't be reacting like they are, and it's within the realm of possibility that whatever their original plan was, it went out of control and they're in damage control mode.

but then goes the "don't let a good crisis go to waste". whatever the situation, they'll have some plan to salvage it and benefit from it. personally i think all the worldwide panic just serves the one world government agenda, but to actually implement that, war would be needed - either that, or far more deaths from the pandemic. which way it'll go, if any of those, we don't know.

if it would be "just" what you're proposing, i guess we would be lucky, but i have a feeling they wouldn't overreact so much if that was the case. something's brewing.

originally posted by: Oleman

Doesn't change the fact that the fear is high on ATS

a reply to: Dumbass

Is it possible that from your perspective of personal lack of knowledge, you misconstrue others' pursuit of understanding and preparation for what they might be challenged with, as fear and panic?

No I've been on ATS long enough to see the change from being prepared and having educated discussion to change to a massmedia forum where a lot of fear mongering is going on. The fact alone that they need to discuss preperation now tells me that.

a reply to: Leighthall

You win ATS tonight!

a reply to: primalfractal

Fear is when you're too late.

I welcome the spring cleaning. I might even get caught up in it. But for my kid kids (or anyone else there grandkids) a spring cleaning would be good.

Trying to hold on to what we had (like locking countries, cities etc) is only a delay of the inevitable. Sudden shifts are harsh but more easy to overcome and eventually less painfull for the survivors.

I am sorry folks, DumbAss and 1point92au were right all along, and we have all been duped into buying a year's worth of SpaghettiOs's for naught. We might as well shut down all the CoronaVirus threads now. Please accept my apologies, DumbAss.

The head of the Chinese Mission to the African Union reassured his African counterparts that the lethal coronavirus can be controlled and cured, adding that pent-up consumer demand will unleash momentum to push China’s economy forward once the epidemic is over. (article from China People's Daily)

originally posted by: Rich Z

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: 1point92AU

Well I will say this. Since it appears containment has been given up on, and the gamble now is to compare it to the flu, and say it’s not that big of a deal. Ok that’s cool, since it appears testing is being done reluctantly and informing the public seems to have allot of red tape because I am aware of additional cases x. They better pray the virus does not mutate for the worst. All politics aside. It seems the dendrites, they are creating seem to be working, hopefully it ends well. I just don’t feel comfortable with a novel virus running wild in the streets of my city at the moment.

You're not following along here. No one is saying the Corona Virus is not serious. Any viral infection is serious. What I am saying is backed by facts. Read this carefully.

If you count the number of flu cases and flu related deaths within the same time frame of the first reported Corona Virus infections and deaths there isn't even a remote comparison between the two. It's not even in the same ball park.

The flu strains have proven substantially more contagious and substantially more deadly. Both are equally bad. However, one is being hyped over another which is in fact already and has been a pandemic.

The flu.

Not Corona Virus.

The facts support this statement.

Ah but aren't you forgetting the fact of how China reacted to this "less deadly than flu" coronavirus? That has zero bearing in your equation? Or do you think that China is just some silly little panic stricken country that over-reacted completely to the threat? Their putting into quarantine entire cities, welding doors shut to entire buildings, with residents locked inside, and crematoriums running 24/7 to dispose of (presumed) infected bodies is of insignificant consideration? China just decided willy-nilly to deep six their considerable manufacturing and economic output over this pathogen doesn't raise alarm bells for you?

There is also the fact that there appears to be no accurately identified source for this pathogen, and there is apparently some evidence offered by investigators that points to it being an engineered (perhaps even weaponized) organism. If that is potentially true, might not this particular coronavirus warrant a bit more healthy respect over capabilities we may have yet to experience? It is entirely possible that the night is still very young, and we haven't seen all the dance steps in this organisms repertoire. Doesn't that warrant some caution instead of downplaying the potential seriousness?

Efforts to try to soft pedal the seriousness of this organism at this point in it's infectious spread and mutational lifespan might prove to be premature, IMHO.

This is what I thought of Pence today.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Leighthall
Good news everyone, I've forwarded the posts from 1point92AU to all the Governments of the world, and they've all agreed that they have been totes foolish and will immediately drop all planning in relation to this issue...

Lurker since forever. Had to 'break cover' cos this is the greatest reply to a troll I've ever read!

originally posted by: primalfractal
a reply to: Dumbass

Fear is a natural reaction to a possibly life threatening situation, it's called survival instincts. Some don't seem to have them.

And, it has probably saved millions upon millions of humans lives throughout human history.

It’s pointless to argue about this event. After two months of this world outbreak we have some facts , and we all have many unanswered questions. People just have to look at what we do know and react how they see is a fit reaction for them and their family.

Update: March 3, 2020 Tuesday 8 pm Tokyo time

1. 6 people on the cruise have died as of today
2. 6 people in Japan have died as of today
3. 265 known people in Japan have been infected as of today
4. 706 passengers and crew members have been infected ( not sure how they came up with this figure since many have left for their country)
5. not sure how current this is but 34 cases of people are on ventilators or receiving intensive care at the moment

here is a break down, this may change at any time until the next official reporting

79 in Hokkaido--- this amount is horrible, why so many I don't know
39 in Tokyo this is Tokyo, I would think after today's testing comes in this figure is likely to change some
32 in Aichi
31 in Kanagawa
14 in Chiba. keep in mind they kept Tokyo Disneyland open till the last minute
Wakayama Prefecture, 13 people,
Ishikawa Prefecture 6 people,
Osaka Prefecture 6 people,
Niigata Prefecture five people,
Kumamoto Prefecture five people,
Kochi Prefecture, 3 people,
Fukuoka Prefecture 3 people,
3 people in Okinawa Prefecture,
2 people in Nagano Prefecture, 2 people in
Gifu Prefecture, 2 people in
Kyoto Prefecture, 2 people in
Hyogo Prefecture
, 1 person in Miyagi Prefecture, 1 person in
Tochigi Prefecture,
Saitama Prefecture is one person,
Shizuoka Prefecture is one person,
Mie Prefecture is one person,
Nara Prefecture 1 person,
Ehime Prefecture 1 person,
Tokushima Prefecture is one person,
Oita Prefecture is one person,
There are nine employees of the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare and quarantine officers.

these figures are estimates and it may be well known that due to ... some figures can not and will not be told

Some malls now will reduce their hours of operations ( I think because of lack of people using and shopping at the mall ).

Actually today we went shopping and I tell you 2 things that I noticed.
1. some people knew what to buy in case of emergency
2. there was NO panic at all in the stores that we visited, but most people had masks on

Rice is available, although it really has increase a bit, but maybe that had to do with the 10 tax increase we now have to pay. Just can't get away from them dang high taxes here. But really some stuff is crazy cheap. Like cabbage for 90 yen or about 1 buck. Lettuce as cheap as 18 yen or about 25 cents. This is all grown locally too. And daikon, my favorite to make kimchi with is like a buck, very cheap right now.

a reply to: Oleman

Asked my nurse daughter if doing "intubation" at home was feasible, worth studying and buying supplies for. She told me that was above her pay grade,

No offense, but how does your Nurse daughter, have no idea about intubation? Thats part of the curriculum in the very begging for patients undergoing breathing emergency

Then again, maybe in some states its not a requirement to learn I dunno.

That being said, perhaps just a nasal cannula and a portable machine is what the poster was referring to

apnews.com...
More testing sheds light on how virus is spreading in US

SEATTLE (AP) — An increase in testing for the coronavirus began shedding light Monday on how the illness has spread in the United States, including in Washington state, where four people died at a nursing home and some schools were closed for disinfection.

New diagnoses in several states pushed the tally of COVID-19 cases past 100, and New Hampshire reported its first case, raising the total of affected states to 11. Seattle officials announced four more deaths, bringing the total in the U.S. to six.

In Seattle, King County Executive Dow Constantine declared an emergency and said the county was buying a hotel to be used as a hospital for patients who need to be isolated. He said the facility should be available by the end of the week.

“We have moved to a new stage in the fight,” he said.

Vice President Mike Pence met with the nation’s governors and pledged to continue updating them weekly by teleconference. President Donald Trump met with pharmaceutical companies to talk about progress toward a vaccine.

The deaths at a nursing home in suburban Kirkland, Washington, were especially troubling to health care experts because of the vulnerability of sick and elderly people to the illness and existing problems in nursing facilities.