Corona Virus Updates Part 4

Update Mar. 2/20 - 11pm EST
Wuhan Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Global Cases (by JHU CSSE)
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Canada
17-Toronto,Ont., 8-British Columbia, 1-London,Ont. 1-Quebec =27
Cruise Ship 43-Canadians are currently infected -- Total 27+43=70
www.canada.ca... nuary-4-2018/canadas-pandemic-plan.html

Mar.01/20 - Four more cases in Ontario. Two who travelled to Iran, one who was in contact with someone from Iran, and one who was in contact with someone from Egypt.
Three men in their 40s, 50s and 60s and a woman in her 70s.
Canada is now at 24.
www.cbc.ca...

Mar. 02/20 - Toronto Public Health (TPH) is monitoring six positive cases of the novel coronavirus: COVID-19 in Toronto. To date, there have been two other confirmed cases reported in Toronto. Both of these people have since recovered from their illness. TPH continues to work with our provincial and federal health colleagues along with airports in response to this situation. At this time the virus is not circulating locally, however given the global circumstances, TPH is actively working with City and health partners to plan for the potential of local spread.

Mar. 02/20 - Ontario has three more cases. This brings Canada’s total to 27 (8 in BC, 1 in Quebec and 18 in Ontario). www.cbc.ca...

www.toronto.ca...

Feb. 27/20 - 131 more confirm + 139 Iran = Total 270
Feb. 28/20 - 118 more confirm + 270 Iran = Total 388
Feb. 29/20 - 205 more confirm + 388 Iran = Total 593
Mar. 1/20 - 385 more confirm + 593 Iran = Total 978
Mar. 2/20 - 523 more confirm + 978 Iran = Total 1,501

Feb. 25/20 - 93 more confirm + 229 Italy = Total 322
Feb. 26/20 - 131 more confirm + 322 Italy = Total 453
Feb. 27/20 - 202 more confirm + 453 Italy = Total 655
Feb. 28/20 - 234 more confirm + 655 Italy = Total 889
Feb. 29/20 - 239 more confirm + 889 Italy = Total 1,128
Mar. 1/20 - 566 more confirm + 1,128 Italy = Total 1,694
Mar. 2/20 - 342 more confirm + 1,694 Italy = Total 2,036

Feb. 24/20 - 130 more confirm + 763 South Korea = Total 893
Feb. 25/20 - 253 more confirm + 893 South Korea = Total 1,146
Feb. 26/20 - 449 more confirm + 1,146 South Korea = Total 1,595
Feb. 27/20 - 427 more confirm + 1,595 South Korea = Total 2,022
Feb. 28/20 - 909 more confirm + 2,022 South Korea = Total 2,931
Feb. 29/20 - 595 more confirm + 2,931 South Korea = Total 3,526
Mar. 1/20 - 686 more confirm + 3,526 South Korea = Total 4,212
Mar. 2/20 - 600 more confirm + 4,212 South Korea = Total 4,812


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JHU press release about the development of the dashboard:
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Save this Preparedness and Response Plan offline
www.hopkins-cepar.org...
Also
www.who.int...

originally posted by: BruceZuckerberg
a reply to: 1point92AU

But I thought this thing had an r-nought of 4 versus flu with r-nought of 1.3 or something. I was also under the impression that it has a cfr of between 1 and 2 whereas regular flu has a cfr of .01 ? My numbers are probably off but if it’s many times more deadly, and many times more contagious, doesn’t that mean it will ultimately kill many, many times the number of people? From what I understand it also requires hospitalization in far greater numbers than regular flu. So I guess I’m wondering how you feel it will ultimately be less dangerous ? Please explain.

How exactly do you know that when absolutely no data from China has been released? Just curious how we have so many experts on a virus that our supposed experts still don't understand. I've read a lot of speculation but until we get data from Chinia (which will never happen) it's still too early to say what will happen. Corvid-19 could become more serious. My argument has been pretty simple from the beginning. There are no facts that support the non-stop fear mongering going on in this thread and the mainstream media. None.

The flu has posted vastly and dramatically greater infection rates and death rates and yet nothing is mentioned because the flu doesn't quite carry the same impact as the latest new deadly virus that is going to wipe out man kind.

Please keep in mind this. Chinese men make up 51% of the world's smokers. Most Chinese men smoke. It would stand to reason you are going to have sever complications if you contract an upper respiratory infection if you are already a life long smoker.

a reply to: armakirais

Hey there! I'm actually a bit southeast of H-town, between there and the island. I have indeed had the rodeo in mind considering it brings people from all over the country for most of the month of March. Lots of potential interactions which could possibly spread this even further.



a reply to: Village Idiot

Here are some links to recently published papers regarding clinical effects of those who have been infected:

Imaging and clinical features of patients with 2019 novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2

Key Points of Clinical and CT Imaging Features of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Imported Pneumonia Based on 21 Cases Analysis

Epidemiological and Clinical Characteristics of 124 Elderly Outpatients with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China

Clinical Outcomes of Patients with 2019-nCoV: A Preliminary Summary

Clinical features and laboratory inspection of novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) in Xiangyang, Hubei

Having briefly scanned each of these, I don't know if any of these would be recovered patients, but these will give you a place to start. I'll keep looking to see if I can dig up something more specifically to recovered patients.

a reply to: 1Angrylightbulb

Just look at the number of confirmed cases and deaths it's about 3% mortality rate higher than the flu.

... and that's not counting all the people that may have had it and were never tested, for one reason or another.

I think the mortality rate outside of Wuhan is probably going to be much lower than Wuhan itself, for various reasons.

I tend to that the number of cases and deaths in Wuhan are also or mostly due due to a variety of factors including the extreme cortisol levels likely from getting locked inside your house (for most people), possible starvation, the mandatory,supposedly 'digital' va%%ine that was allegedly adminstered last year, poor air quality, unknown chemicals sprayed on the unsuspecting public with wreckless abandon (I hear bleach is not too good for you), and disappearing dissidents.

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: BruceZuckerberg
a reply to: 1point92AU

But I thought this thing had an r-nought of 4 versus flu with r-nought of 1.3 or something. I was also under the impression that it has a cfr of between 1 and 2 whereas regular flu has a cfr of .01 ? My numbers are probably off but if it’s many times more deadly, and many times more contagious, doesn’t that mean it will ultimately kill many, many times the number of people? From what I understand it also requires hospitalization in far greater numbers than regular flu. So I guess I’m wondering how you feel it will ultimately be less dangerous ? Please explain.

Just curious how we have so many experts on a virus that our supposed experts still don't understand.

Best statement yet! It includes EVERYONE!!

a reply to: 1point92AU

a reply to: 1point92AU

Says people are falling for MSM hype train while telling people it's on W.H.Os website, go look....

Tells me all I need to know.

Let's believe the WHO and CDC.
Also let's believe the flu numbers are 100% accurate.

How many stories about people being told by doctors they have the flu and sent home only to find out it was something else and end up back in the hospital?


The flu argument to me is worthless because those numbers and stats are no better. No matter how much they want to pat themselves on the back and say they "successfully" track these viruses...they aren't.

www.google.ca...

a reply to: 1point92AU



I think this COVID-19 is dangerous for older and ones that have allready health problems. I have some doubts do the doctors really use all the options for treating COVID-19 thought......i mean if doctors go just with the official medical school treatment strategys and decide to opt out IV vitamin C for example...


I dont really know how often IV vitamin is used to this in hospitals....i would be pissed if i would be in hospital with this COVID-19
And doctor would not even consider vitamin C & antioxidant support...

Source

Tested negative 8 times!
A 56-year-old woman in SW China's Sichuan Province was confirmed with novel coronavirus infection Monday. She tested negative eight times in nucleic acid diagnosis.

originally posted by: tanstaafl

originally posted by: ARM1968
We should have shut everything down. Stopped All travel. Allowed it to burn out, but likely it was already marching it’s invisible way across the globe before we could of stopped it even with those measures.

That might make sense for something like Ebola, that has an extremely high death rate even for young and healthy people.

It just doesn't make sense to destroy your economy for something like this.

Of course, that assumes that by 'this', I mean a particularly nasty flu-like (I know it isn't the flu) virus, that has a pretty low risk of death for the vast majority of people.

Well, stop and think for a moment. Can't this possibly mean that there are some people making decisions that just might know more about this coronavirus than nearly all of us do? The only thing that makes sense is that the decisions made have been desperate decisions. Otherwise they are just senseless decisions.

Time will tell, I guess.

a reply to: 1point92AU

Why did a country lockdown a 10th of the world's.population for a supposed flu?
That's my only question. Fire away,I'd like to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

About reinfection from an interview with health official in China. Claims 14% get reinfected. Mentions "new coronary pneumonia ".

New Express News reporter: Will the Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention, re-examination of patients with positive nucleic acid in the discharged patients, re-infected with new crown pneumonia? Is this "Fuyang" contagious? 

And our province actually has preliminary data, and 14% of the patients who are discharged now also have the phenomenon of "rejuvenation".

We all know that pneumonia is a relatively long-lasting disease, and it may take two or three months to recover. Recently, Academician Zhong Nanshan also said in the media that some elderly people or some are in poor physical condition. His pneumonia recovery is Slower, this process is similar to tuberculosis, some people may appear active, and some people may recover.

We observe new coronary pneumonia, a similar situation may occur, but we are gradually going to scientific evidence-based, and have not yet reached a systematic scientific conclusion.

We also monitored it in the laboratory and found that young mild patients will soon develop antibodies within two weeks. If they are positive, his risk is actually very low. We think he is a protective antibody. He The risk of transmission is getting lower.

However, there are some elderly people who find that it takes a long time to produce antibodies. It may take a long time to produce antibodies. He will continuously detoxify and may become a source of infection.

gdio.southcn.com...

a reply to: 1point92AU

“The flu has posted vastly and dramatically greater infection rates”.... but that’s simply because it’s been around longer. There have already been a number of studies from China and outside of China that suggest Covid-19 is significantly more contagious than the regular flu.

I mean I agree with you a lot of people here have gone completely code red, but the fact that China and Italy have shut down whole cities doing untold damage to their economies should at least give you pause. When’s the last time you saw millions of people quarantined by armed individuals in hazmat suits? Is this just China and Italy early April fools?

I was intrigued by Pence's comment that they are looking at travel restrictions and that the EU have free movement. So would they consider a total EU ban?

I felt the tone was a bit sketchy with the love in about the new ambassador/doctor they'd bought on board. But it sounded promising that she had been asking the right questions. It seemed a very well controlled narrative.

Let's see what Boris comes up with today. I wonder if the 4 positive yesterday was a function of the prior day being Sunday?

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: 1point92AU

Well I will say this. Since it appears containment has been given up on, and the gamble now is to compare it to the flu, and say it’s not that big of a deal. Ok that’s cool, since it appears testing is being done reluctantly and informing the public seems to have allot of red tape because I am aware of additional cases x. They better pray the virus does not mutate for the worst. All politics aside. It seems the dendrites, they are creating seem to be working, hopefully it ends well. I just don’t feel comfortable with a novel virus running wild in the streets of my city at the moment.

You're not following along here. No one is saying the Corona Virus is not serious. Any viral infection is serious. What I am saying is backed by facts. Read this carefully.

If you count the number of flu cases and flu related deaths within the same time frame of the first reported Corona Virus infections and deaths there isn't even a remote comparison between the two. It's not even in the same ball park.

The flu strains have proven substantially more contagious and substantially more deadly. Both are equally bad. However, one is being hyped over another which is in fact already and has been a pandemic.

The flu.

Not Corona Virus.

The facts support this statement.

Ah but aren't you forgetting the fact of how China reacted to this "less deadly than flu" coronavirus? That has zero bearing in your equation? Or do you think that China is just some silly little panic stricken country that over-reacted completely to the threat? Their putting into quarantine entire cities, welding doors shut to entire buildings, with residents locked inside, and crematoriums running 24/7 to dispose of (presumed) infected bodies is of insignificant consideration? China just decided willy-nilly to deep six their considerable manufacturing and economic output over this pathogen doesn't raise alarm bells for you?

There is also the fact that there appears to be no accurately identified source for this pathogen, and there is apparently some evidence offered by investigators that points to it being an engineered (perhaps even weaponized) organism. If that is potentially true, might not this particular coronavirus warrant a bit more healthy respect over capabilities we may have yet to experience? It is entirely possible that the night is still very young, and we haven't seen all the dance steps in this organisms repertoire. Doesn't that warrant some caution instead of downplaying the potential seriousness?

Efforts to try to soft pedal the seriousness of this organism at this point in it's infectious spread and mutational lifespan might prove to be premature, IMHO.

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: 1Angrylightbulb
a reply to: 1point92AU

This whole thread is full of information and links. Other than spouting what you believe I haven't seen you put a single link referencing all this data in Black and white and that proves we are all just sheeple and fear mongers.

Funny. I've repeatedly asked you hyperventilating fear mongers to post the facts that support your false claims and yet no one has yet. You know why?

Because there is ZERO data to support your hyperventilating fear mongering hype. That's why.

I can't post a link to the WHO database results because you actually have to do some due diligence and stop being asked to be spoon fed. Go to the WHO database and enter the very simple search criteria so you can see for yourself you have no clue what you are talking about.

MODS?? Where are you now???

Our health secretary Matt Hancock has just announced part of their plan is to have ventilator lots for use at home.

That's a pretty big move but great for the vulnerable groups. Shows awareness that our hospitals will not cope so staff would have to be managing patients on a vent at home. Not sure how the emergency side of this would work though.

This can be read in the news guardian live blog just now.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: armakirais

Hey there! I'm actually a bit southeast of H-town, between there and the island. I have indeed had the rodeo in mind considering it brings people from all over the country for most of the month of March. Lots of potential interactions which could possibly spread this even further.

 

a reply to: Village Idiot

Here are some links to recently published papers regarding clinical effects of those who have been infected:

Imaging and clinical features of patients with 2019 novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2

Key Points of Clinical and CT Imaging Features of 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Imported Pneumonia Based on 21 Cases Analysis

Epidemiological and Clinical Characteristics of 124 Elderly Outpatients with COVID-19 in Wuhan, China

Clinical Outcomes of Patients with 2019-nCoV: A Preliminary Summary

Clinical features and laboratory inspection of novel coronavirus pneumonia (COVID-19) in Xiangyang, Hubei

Having briefly scanned each of these, I don't know if any of these would be recovered patients, but these will give you a place to start. I'll keep looking to see if I can dig up something more specifically to recovered patients.

Thank you so much for this information, very much appreciate it!

From what I've read so far, there is no mention of underlying ailments, be it smoking or pollution that attribute to the lesions and "glassing" of the lungs.

I however believe this is very significant in divining the difference between the flu and corona, well one of them anyway, not to mention the hell this virus plays on ones immune system, leaving it vulnerable.

Anyways, just an opinion

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: 1point92AU

It may be time to seek advice from a therapist, if you think this virus, is just political hype. You have plenty of good information here about the nature of this virus. Also the people it has effected families who have lost loved ones etc. trolling the thread does not replace the facts and the effects of corona. Facts are not hype nor fear either.

You can keep taking my comments out of context all you want and it doesn't change the fact that none of you hyper ventilating fear mongers have a single bit of data to support your claims.

I've said it over and over and you choose to allow your cognitive bias reign over you. The data is available in black and white. You are all acting like little Redditors over in r/politics. As soon as a dissenting opinion comes along and backs it with facts your heads simultaneously explode.

Happy trolling !

Watch my words to the right > get removed... I am just praying that the Covid-19 will start to decline and that no more people suffer because of it. MODS??

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: BruceZuckerberg
a reply to: 1point92AU

But I thought this thing had an r-nought of 4 versus flu with r-nought of 1.3 or something. I was also under the impression that it has a cfr of between 1 and 2 whereas regular flu has a cfr of .01 ? My numbers are probably off but if it’s many times more deadly, and many times more contagious, doesn’t that mean it will ultimately kill many, many times the number of people? From what I understand it also requires hospitalization in far greater numbers than regular flu. So I guess I’m wondering how you feel it will ultimately be less dangerous ? Please explain.

How exactly do you know that when absolutely no data from China has been released? Just curious how we have so many experts on a virus that our supposed experts still don't understand. I've read a lot of speculation but until we get data from Chinia (which will never happen) it's still too early to say what will happen. Corvid-19 could become more serious. My argument has been pretty simple from the beginning. There are no facts that support the non-stop fear mongering going on in this thread and the mainstream media. None.

The flu has posted vastly and dramatically greater infection rates and death rates and yet nothing is mentioned because the flu doesn't quite carry the same impact as the latest new deadly virus that is going to wipe out man kind.

Please keep in mind this. Chinese men make up 51% of the world's smokers. Most Chinese men smoke. It would stand to reason you are going to have sever complications if you contract an upper respiratory infection if you are already a life long smoker.

Dude,....sigh....you win, ok?
And besides... we're all just pretending to be concerned. It's a thing we all like to do. I can't believe you thought we were all serious.