Corona Virus Updates Part 4

originally posted by: Violater1

originally posted by: neurosurgeon
I'm going to just start wearing my PAPR system around my lab everywhere now.

I have horrific asthma, and take all sorts of steroids and medication just so I can breath on a good day.

Pretty much GG for me if I roll that dice.

You may want to check on what size of particulate it will filter down too. CoVID19 is 125 microns and N95 et N100 only filter down to 300 microns. I'm pretty sure the PAPR will filter down to the same 300 microns.

N95 are certified to filter 95% of microns down to .3 microns
However the NIH has studied and shown that n95 when properly fitted will filter 80% of .1 micron particles

Coronavirus is .1 microns...this gives it the ability to be airborne, however its most common transmission via droplet due to the virus being trapped/mixed with mucous and saliva...these droplet particles are .5 micron and larger

So the n95 may not be the first or only prevention but it can be effective

The NIH rates disposable N95 as single use for up to 8 hours. Their emergency plan dictates in times of shortage under certain circumstances using them up to 40 hours may be acceptable.
Donning, removing, fitment, and sanitary storage would be important though

It's pretty clear by now the Corona Virus is being over hyped by the liberal led media as yet another weak attempt to make Trump look bad.

The flu has rapidly overtaken Corona Virus as a much more infectious and life threatening virus and yet there is literally ZERO news on this.

This has officially become yet another massive hype attempt to smear Trump by the lunatic left.

Not sure have there been discussion about the corona test...


I have a wiew the test are inaccurate, giving false reading....but also it seems like that kind of test might be inaccurate when the viral load is not yet so high in body ?

So the situation is comblex, a lot catch WuFlu but test dont necessarily show it giving negative test results....

In china if i understand, they realized that the test are not accurate allways ,and so they just go with the symptoms many times....


Difficult to keep up all the post on ATS


125 child deaths in this flu season allready , so it look`s like seasonal flu/influenza is MUCH more dangerous to children than this WuFlu.

Flu figures show 125 child deaths, record-high hospitalizations in young children

a reply to: Mamana12

The Executive Order the president must sign to declare a state of emergency is all prepared. He can sign it immediately when decided. It’s usually prepared by FEMA in collaboration with White House.

a reply to: myselfaswell

I think the same might be going on in China, the economy has taken such a hit that the CCP has issued an edict that Corona virus has been defeated, and that the danger is more from foreigners bringing it in. These guys are on the ball and know how the place works.

a reply to: 1point92AU

This has officially become yet another massive hype attempt to smear Trump by the lunatic left.

Coronavirus Update.

Trump is not the president of the following countries who are reporting the virus.

China
S. Korea
Italy
Iran
Diamond Princess
Japan
France
Germany
Spain
Singapore
Hong Kong
Kuwait
Bahrain
Thailand
Taiwan
U.K.
Australia
Switzerland
Malaysia
Canada
Iraq
Norway
U.A.E.
Austria
Netherlands
Vietnam
Sweden
Lebanon
Israel
Macao
Iceland
San Marino
Belgium
Croatia
Ecuador
Finland
Greece
Qatar
India
Mexico
Oman
Algeria
Pakistan
Czechia
Denmark
Philippines
Azerbaijan
Georgia
Romania
Russia
Brazil
Egypt
Indonesia
Portugal
Afghanistan
Andorra
Armenia
Belarus
Cambodia
Dominican Republic
Estonia
Ireland
Jordan
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
North Macedonia
Monaco
Morocco
Nepal
New Zealand
Nigeria
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Sri Lanka
Tunisia

So for anybody that wants to bitch about it, please feel free to do so elsewhere, #$%^&*# loosers.

a reply to: myselfaswell

I'm expressly speaking of the US media in the US so your post is irrelevant. In the US the media is completely overhyping the Corona Virus.

The flu numbers in the US alone make the Corona Virus look like a simple runny nose.

It's clear this is nothing more than yet an attempt to smear and unseat Trump.

But keep your unjustified fear mongering going.

originally posted by: 1point92AU
It's pretty clear by now the Corona Virus is being over hyped by the liberal led media as yet another weak attempt to make Trump look bad.

The flu has rapidly overtaken Corona Virus as a much more infectious and life threatening virus and yet there is literally ZERO news on this.

This has officially become yet another massive hype attempt to smear Trump by the lunatic left.

Im a Trump supporter but I think that in this case the left wind media is right to bring this virus to our attention. I dont like the spin they put on it and how the posture that its all Trumps fault but Im used to parsing that crap out by now.

It seems some are in real denial about it.

Dr Drew for example has been all over the news claiming this is all over reaction.

People I know in the medical field say the same thing.

After 4 chapters of this on ATS I have connected the dots enough to know this isn't a con game.

Even Rush L who I typically like is parroting the same thing.

As a critical thinker this is bad and we are in for a paradigm shift in the US and the world.

Third part hearsay warning for what I'm about to post.

So tonight I was waiting on one of my regulars who I've noticed lately has become a bit of a germaphobe; this person now always has a pack of sanitizing wipes and a small bottle of hand gel on them, this is a recent development in the last month or so.

My GM was engaged in conversation with them when I came by to get their order and the topic was coronavirus.

After I got their order and rang it in, I came back to poke and prod a bit more.

Turns out that this person has several good friends who are high up in hospital administration here in the Houston area and there was a meeting this morning at Memorial Hermann for all top administrators in the area.

At this meeting it was revealed to them that there are over 100 unacknowledged cases in the Houston metropolitan area with as many more awaiting test results.

It was also stated that the incubation period could stretch to as long as three weeks, asymptomatic transmission was confirmed as well with viral shedding beginning as soon as 24 hours after infection.

I asked how this person came across this information and was told it was a combination of phone conversations and an email that was forwarded to this person including a scanned memo that had had certain information scratched through.

End their party hearsay section

The person in question above left before I could ask any other questions but I can assure you that the next time they come in I will do everything I can to get the email forwarded to me so that I can share with the thread once any personally identifying information has been properly scrubbed prior to posting. I do not want to take the chance that this person or their source might face repercussions for passing on information that was meant to stay confidential.

originally posted by: 1point92AU
a reply to: myselfaswell

I'm expressly speaking of the US media in the US so your post is irrelevant. In the US the media is completely overhyping the Corona Virus.

The flu numbers in the US alone make the Corona Virus look like a simple runny nose.

It's clear this is nothing more than yet an attempt to smear and unseat Trump.

But keep your unjustified fear mongering going.

Do you have a link that I can watch. I'd like to do a comparison between this countries reporting and American way of reporting.
This is what I thought of the update from the VP of the USA.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: sirlancelot

Yet there is ZERO data to support the hysteria. A quick search of the WHO database on world wide global cases of the flu prove the Corona Virus doesn't even hold a candle to the death toll and infection rates the current flu strains do.

This is 100% media hype and nothing more.

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: 1point92AU
a reply to: myselfaswell

I'm expressly speaking of the US media in the US so your post is irrelevant. In the US the media is completely overhyping the Corona Virus.

The flu numbers in the US alone make the Corona Virus look like a simple runny nose.

It's clear this is nothing more than yet an attempt to smear and unseat Trump.

But keep your unjustified fear mongering going.

Do you have a link that I can watch.

You see what you said right there? You just asked me to give you more hype and hysteria. Why don't you use your own abilities to do a simple search of current flu cases and mortality rates of flu cases across the same period the Corona Virus has been known and let me know which of the two holds the current world record.

Here's a hint. It's isn't the Corona Virus.

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originally posted by: 1point92AU
a reply to: myselfaswell

I'm expressly speaking of the US media in the US so your post is irrelevant. In the US the media is completely overhyping the Corona Virus.

The flu numbers in the US alone make the Corona Virus look like a simple runny nose.

It's clear this is nothing more than yet an attempt to smear and unseat Trump.

But keep your unjustified fear mongering going.

I really find it amazing how impossible it for some people to talk about a serious issue without looking at it through a partisan lens. This goes above partisan politics. If people can't see that they're misformed. I would suggest reading parts 1 and 2.

a reply to: 1point92AU

Well I will say this. Since it appears containment has been given up on, and the gamble now is to compare it to the flu, and say it’s not that big of a deal. Ok that’s cool, since it appears testing is being done reluctantly and informing the public seems to have allot of red tape because I am aware of additional cases x. They better pray the virus does not mutate for the worst. All politics aside. It seems the dendrites, they are creating seem to be working, hopefully it ends well. I just don’t feel comfortable with a novel virus running wild in the streets of my city at the moment.

originally posted by: Beltalowda

originally posted by: 1point92AU
a reply to: myselfaswell

I'm expressly speaking of the US media in the US so your post is irrelevant. In the US the media is completely overhyping the Corona Virus.

The flu numbers in the US alone make the Corona Virus look like a simple runny nose.

It's clear this is nothing more than yet an attempt to smear and unseat Trump.

But keep your unjustified fear mongering going.

I really find it amazing how impossible it for some people to talk about a serious issue without looking at it through a partisan lens. This goes above partisan politics. If people can't see that they're misformed. I would suggest reading parts 1 and 2.

Show me the data that supports your claim the Corona Virus is more deadly than the current flu strains. Get ready for a rude awakening.

You are being hood winked mate. Time to wake up.

originally posted by: celltypespecific
a reply to: SpartanStoic

While everyone is attacking VP Pence he did guide the efforts to stop a drug needle borne HIV outbreak in spite of Indiana state law prohibiting state needle programs, he was able to leverage the CDC to get it done. He also worked with an Ebola case IIRC.

Thanks for posting this... I am not a big fan of the administration but this give me abit more confidence.

It's false confidence unfortunately. During this HIV outbreak, then Gov. Pence was the largest obstacle to bringing this outbreak under control and actually, to a large degree, created the outbreak by his actions.

In 2018, researchers at Yale University found the epidemic could have been prevented if Pence and state officials had acted faster. The study received financial support from the federal government.

“Our findings suggest that with earlier action the actual number of infections recorded in Scott County — 215 — might have been brought down to fewer than 56, if the state had acted in 2013, or to fewer than 10 infections, if they had responded to the [hepatitis C] outbreak in 2010-2011,” the paper’s senior author, Forrest W. Crawford, said in a statement at the time. Instead they cut funding for the last HIV testing provider in the county.”

As cases spiked, Pence turned to prayer. Not action. It took statewide pressure. This major public health failure and other crisis he created in Indiana had him on course to possibly lose his re-election bid prior to Paul Manafort falsely stranding Trump in Indiana overnight with Pence with made up airplane issues, leading to his selection as V.P. His public health track record is abysmal.

Just today he indicated that life should go on as normal and no travel restrictions. And yet, we have this....the same day.

Defense Intelligence Agency Bans Some Domestic Travel, Sources Say

Vice President Mike Pence said Monday evening that there has been no ban on domestic travel despite the growing number of 2019 novel coronavirus deaths in the United States. But one government agency is effectively directing its employees not to travel, domestically or internationally, at least for the next several weeks.

The U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) has banned all temporary duty assignment (TDY) travel as coronavirus cases continue to surge across the globe, according to two individuals familiar with the office’s protocols. Temporary duty assignment travel includes employees of the agency who need to travel from their permanent posts for things like meetings, conferences, training, or to backfill positions.

Be skeptical of everything he says. Lessons learned. Stay safe!

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originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: 1point92AU

Well I will say this. Since it appears containment has been given up on, and the gamble now is to compare it to the flu, and say it’s not that big of a deal. Ok that’s cool, since it appears testing is being done reluctantly and informing the public seems to have allot of red tape because I am aware of additional cases x. They better pray the virus does not mutate for the worst. All politics aside. It seems the dendrites, they are creating seem to be working, hopefully it ends well. I just don’t feel comfortable with a novel virus running wild in the streets of my city at the moment.

Yeah,

Every measure taken seems to be at the expense of health for the protection of wealth..

originally posted by: Bicent
a reply to: 1point92AU

Well I will say this. Since it appears containment has been given up on, and the gamble now is to compare it to the flu, and say it’s not that big of a deal. Ok that’s cool, since it appears testing is being done reluctantly and informing the public seems to have allot of red tape because I am aware of additional cases x. They better pray the virus does not mutate for the worst. All politics aside. It seems the dendrites, they are creating seem to be working, hopefully it ends well. I just don’t feel comfortable with a novel virus running wild in the streets of my city at the moment.

You're not following along here. No one is saying the Corona Virus is not serious. Any viral infection is serious. What I am saying is backed by facts. Read this carefully.

If you count the number of flu cases and flu related deaths within the same time frame of the first reported Corona Virus infections and deaths there isn't even a remote comparison between the two. It's not even in the same ball park.

The flu strains have proven substantially more contagious and substantially more deadly. Both are equally bad. However, one is being hyped over another which is in fact already and has been a pandemic.

The flu.

Not Corona Virus.

The facts support this statement.

originally posted by: 1point92AU

originally posted by: Beltalowda

originally posted by: 1point92AU
a reply to: myselfaswell

I'm expressly speaking of the US media in the US so your post is irrelevant. In the US the media is completely overhyping the Corona Virus.

The flu numbers in the US alone make the Corona Virus look like a simple runny nose.

It's clear this is nothing more than yet an attempt to smear and unseat Trump.

But keep your unjustified fear mongering going.

I really find it amazing how impossible it for some people to talk about a serious issue without looking at it through a partisan lens. This goes above partisan politics. If people can't see that they're misformed. I would suggest reading parts 1 and 2.

Show me the data that supports your claim the Corona Virus is more deadly than the current flu strains. Get ready for a rude awakening.

You are being hood winked mate. Time to wake up.

What is the mortality rate of the common flu?
How much has the common flu spread through the population vs. Novel Coronavirus?

Do the math first, then provide a response.