Corona Virus Updates Part 3

a reply to: ketsuko

Right. I just wasn't aware that contacts as far as 6 feet away were considered "close"

ATS has been real slow or not even working today for me..

Anyway, i noticed from the www.worldometers.info... that the "closed cases" numbers has changed in few days ....it was few days ago showing 18% deaths now it says 12% , thats 6% difference ...does that mean anything ?

a reply to: Agit8dChop

I went to the doctor yesterday. They asked me if I've been out of the country in the last 30 days or if I have been in contact with someone who had. I told them no and asked if I said yes what would they do, she said she did not know. The budget for the CDC is over 5 billion $ what are they doing with all that money. When they don't even have the supply's necessary to deal with this supposed simple virus, We have been hearing for years an out break of some kind was going to happen and they are not prepared. That's over 5 billion a year for years upon years and whats there job suppose to be?

a reply to: ketsuko

You know that was long time ago these numbers have regulated .. you are the one to focus on these numbers get over it and come back to the present with us all

a reply to: musicismagic

Thank you again for the great updates! Keep up the god work!

And that dinner sounds delicious

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Phoenix

So, if I'm part of an organized disinfo campaign, do I get paid for this? When do I see those checks?

Did I name you, no, so why defend the indefensible?

Are claiming no disinformation or censorship has been occuring ?

Following this ever since doctors arrested back last December and the efforts to distract, minimize, cover, censor and produce disinfo is something I'm fed-up with.

I see many here outright disparage info rather than take an effort to debate merit or lack of such.

a reply to: ketsuko
I agree that the conferences should be cancelled to protect everyone and avoid spreading the virus. My point is that there will be significant economic ramifications and a trickle down effect in the economy.
Much more important is "the information that tech companies have such as Facebook, about how this virus is impacting people and that they have numbers, realistic numbers."'
They censor what we can see but they have first hand access to all of the information.
Consider Amazon. They keep track of sales trends and would be in first position to see huge upticks in sales of facemarks, cleaning supplies, survival food.
As I have said numerous times we need to pay attention to their actions.
Did you see that Apple is now missing their projected numbers.
Front page headlines from the Wall Street Journal today!

a reply to: Agit8dChop

bnonews.com...

There are currently 73,435 confirmed cases worldwide, including 1,874 fatalities.

a reply to: Dolby_X

Ummm, no ... I wasn't the one who said those numbers were valid. I said those numbers were from the worst cases. I said if you got sick enough to end up in the hospital, those might be your odds, but what about the ones who never got to the hospital? Those cases weren't being counted. You didn't quarantine cities for 41 cases.

a reply to: Thoughtful1

Do they though?

I agree they are censoring stuff, but about having real numbers, I'm not so sure. They do have a lot of noise.

Yeah, they'll see trends in sales, but you can attribute those to panic as much as realistic need. It signals public awareness of a topic.

A lot places and companies that are relying on Chinese consumers will be missing their targets. That's just a fact. I don't feel one bit sorry for them if they're American companies, either.

a reply to: ketsuko

i mean these numbers where 2 thread away and you keep talking about it .. i dont say you agree with the numbers in questions but can you just focus on now and the number we got ? let's focus on data not how you feel about with post l;ong time ago kinda "debunked" .... normalize even lancet got their data worked more and show less dramatics.Thousands of post ago i said watch for case in the boat that will be more close to the real numbers . And still stand my ground data from China is way to much played with those from the cruiseship are way more close to the reality.

I've just been given some shots of an apparent hack/data drop of the Wuhan P4 Lab and all staff etc and studies.

May be worth a look...(needs some translating..)

mobile.twitter.com...

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
"originally posted by: tanstaafl
You could use the cruise ship as an example with diverse nationalities.

454 infected, 20 seriously ill, i.e. 4.4%

Nationalities? Ages/health status'?

This is quite representative of data for China when you consider it's only about a fifth of people who develop symptoms enough to be detected (20%), and then only a fifth of those go on to be serious or critical (4%).

Until we have details on the demographics, this is pure speculation...

Argument against this though is the aged demographic on board, so it might explain 4.4% rather than 4%, but you might reasonably expect it to be more than 4.4%. Given time though, it may well be.

Again - speculation.

But, I would liken the cruise ship environment more like an airplane, which will definitely cause it to spread far more easily - and when the aged get the flu, they are much more prone to have serious problems.

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
"originally posted by: tanstaafl
You could use the cruise ship as an example with diverse nationalities.

454 infected, 20 seriously ill, i.e. 4.4%

Nationalities? Ages/health status'?

This is quite representative of data for China when you consider it's only about a fifth of people who develop symptoms enough to be detected (20%), and then only a fifth of those go on to be serious or critical (4%).

Until we have details on the demographics, this is pure speculation...

Argument against this though is the aged demographic on board, so it might explain 4.4% rather than 4%, but you might reasonably expect it to be more than 4.4%. Given time though, it may well be.

Again - speculation.

But, I would liken the cruise ship environment more like an airplane, which will definitely cause it to spread far more easily - and when the aged get the flu, they are much more prone to have serious problems.

related:

10 Plagues That Are Hitting Our Planet Simultaneously
February 17, 2020 by Michael Snyder


source: endoftheamericandream.com/archives/10-plagues-that-are-hitting-our-planet-simultaneously


Plagues 6,7,8,9,10 are all medical issues:

#6 The Coronavirus
#7 The African Swine Fever
#8 The H1N1 Swine Flu
#9 The H5N1 Bird Flu
#10 The H5N8 Bird Flu

a reply to: tanstaafl

well, there's at least 1 very Caucasian, young woman infected -

www.cnn.com...

a reply to: Oppenheimer67

Problem is the whole world would need to join in, otherwise you risk someone milking the situation in case it turns out to be a false alarm. We all do it together, the markets equalise, the world keeps turning, containment possible until vaccine or threat otherwise alleviated.

With human nature being what it is, taking advantage happens. Not everyone is like this and during tough times there is a lot of support for working together. How the state is going to react is raising some concerns. With a significant threat to life and social order at play will they over react when it is all too late?

For the market to equalize, deagle comes to mind. They did not account for a pandemic, but could it be the trigger to end the can kicking? Are the too big to fail just like the Titanic, waiting for an iceberg to give it a knock? The idea of the stock market looks like a good way to share resources and boost the economy. Where derivatives have taken it feels like a casino. A publicly unaccounted national treasury does not inspire confidence, truth too much for the public to handle? With the way the money is getting pumped in with the overnight repo market it looks like there are some bad leaks going on in the financial markets.

Could it be a perfect storm? A bio patriot act amongst a global recession?

Coronavirus Impact on Global Economy Explained


Patrick Bet-David takes a quick look at how some of the main past disease out breaks has affected the markets. The AIDS epidemic was the one to have the biggest affect in recent times. Concludes with how fear has been used for a very long time to control populations. Stay alert, stay alive.

originally posted by: cirrus12
I have wondered this also - I don't understand how so many families have been affected and so badly, whereas we are seeing nothing like that outside China. Is that because what is happening is unique to the epicentre? Or we just haven't had the incubation time etc yet?

There was a post some pages back that claimed that China is a heavy user of what they called 'bio-pesticides', and the details in that post made a plausible alternative (to the theory that it is genetically targeted) case for why the chinese are faring much worse than the rest of the world...

a reply to: tanstaafl

haha of course it's speculation. Based on various sources of data to give an informed guess! I don't claim to be omniscient, or any kind of God. I 'speculate' based on reliable sources of information, but I try to remain unbiased too so even gave a counter argument, which is itself 'speculation', though you are quite happy to go along with that...

Your query was specifically asking for any evidence of spread outside of Asian populations. While I don't have time to give you a breakdown of the all the nationalities aboard the cruise liner, I can guarantee they are not all Asian. Ages and health status is also irrelevant unless you want to talk about mortality rate.

Rate of spread is yet another topic and completely irrelevant to my post.

You can move the goalposts all you like, but not if you expect a reasonable discussion.

originally posted by: Oppenheimer67
a reply to: tanstaafl
Your query was specifically asking for any evidence of spread outside of Asian populations. While I don't have time to give you a breakdown of the all the nationalities aboard the cruise liner,

So, you reply to my specific question about non-asian infections, but casually comment that you 'don't have time' to provide the details, then accuse me of moving goal posts?

Funny...

I can guarantee they are not all Asian.

Sorry, your 'guarantee' is not worth much at this point...

Ages and health status is also irrelevant unless you want to talk about mortality rate.

It is very relevant also wrt to the percentage who have serious complications (it is those that put the strain on the healthcare system)...