Yea for Transgender Equality!!

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix

Hahahaha!!! Another one rushing to showcase their illiteracy lmao! Keep em coming ladies & gents, step right up, step right up! Come showcase your lack of reading comprehension right here folks. Win a prize, maybe a nice brand new shiny drool bucket and helmet.

You can keep pointing out this, but the fake that it is a person on steroids and able to compete with women is pretty much the same thing.

He is forced to compete with women. He is not allowed to compete with men (as he has requested).

Serena Williams destroys this entire argument. They have allowed SW to b so full of testosterone that if she did not start out as a man she could be considered one now.
And for arguments sake, because it is coming.
Prove she actually had a kid. For argument sake of course, because the flip side is yes, of course she took massive amounts of testosterone.

a reply to: bulwarkz

How does that destroy the argument that a person born as a female but transitioned to a trans male should be able to compete against males, as he has requested?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: bulwarkz

How does that destroy the argument that a person born as a female but transitioned to a trans male should be able to compete against males, as he has requested?

Is it really that difficult for you to equate?
Serena at best is a woman that has more male science in her than ANY Soviet era male to female creation.
If Serena isn't a man she is one of the only women I can agree with in saying "yes" she is a man, for all purpose in the fairness of competition, she is a man and should only compete with men and never women who do not take testosterone. Same as the kid but with alot less money at stake.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

Yes, you are a bit confused. He doesn’t want to compete against girls; he wants to compete against the guys. The state won’t let him. Why do you think that is?

He would do very poorly against the real thing, and are you willing to let males who identify as females to compete against females too?

Sometimes I think Hollywood really screws up people's perspective about male and female physical differences. I watched the new Star Trek series and the capt of the ship is a Asian female and at one point she goes up against a massive Klingon with huge bone density, a life of fighting and 2 or 3 times a human strength etc and she was holding her own...really?

When I look at myself at almost 58 so my testosterone is about what a 20 year old female's might be I'm still at a level that maybe a handful of females in the world could compete against me in any kind of fighting sport even though an average MMA male fighter would wipe me up. The male female difference in may sports is just too great to allow any kind of mixing when testosterone is in involved.

I only work out about 3 days a week and still maintain 250 to 315 chest, 150 to 190 bi/tri, 250 to 280 back, 450 to 500 leg presses as still my range in my workout, so I do not think people really understand just what testosterone does once it kicks in or is used as a supplement.

a reply to: Xtrozero

When I was a kid, we called someone like this, cheater. Born a male, compete as one.

Actually, my daughter would kick his behind, but this is getting ludicrous.

Fred..

originally posted by: eNumbra

There’s an ocean of difference between someone who “thinks they’re the other gender” and someone who’s actively doing hormone replacement therapy to live the rest of their life as the other gender; but acknowledging that would force you to rethink the overly simplified assumptions you’re using to justify your stance on this.

So she competes against males and goes nowhere or gets hurt, and you still haven't answered my question what do we do with the male that is taking testosterone suppressants and estrogen. They will still have a nature advantage that will elevate them in a all female sport for just being born male.

originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
a reply to: Xtrozero

When I was a kid, we called someone like this, cheater. Born a male, compete as one.

He’s not a cheater then, since he was born a girl.

Ahhh, I see our divide. You feel it is only about kids and using them for political fodder. I only saw the sheer hypocrisy as it is obvious, nobody without a political agenda would ever allow that girl to juice to be competitive. Sure, let her compete against boys without juicing. Or don't. She gets no special treatment until she can make money like Serena then you can skate.reply to: kaylaluv

a reply to: bulwarkz

Soooo, you agree that this trans male who is taking testosterone should be allowed to fight in the men's category as requested, right? Cuz it sounded like you were saying he shouldn't be allowed because, Serena.

originally posted by: fredrodgers1960
a reply to: Xtrozero

When I was a kid, we called someone like this, cheater. Born a male, compete as one.

Actually, my daughter would kick his behind, but this is getting ludicrous.

Fred..

Actually she was born a female and wants to be a male so is taking testosterone to be a male, but she is only allowed to compete still in female sports but since her "drugs" are from a doctor she/he is not breaking any rules...

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: eNumbra

There’s an ocean of difference between someone who “thinks they’re the other gender” and someone who’s actively doing hormone replacement therapy to live the rest of their life as the other gender; but acknowledging that would force you to rethink the overly simplified assumptions you’re using to justify your stance on this.

So she competes against males and goes nowhere or gets hurt,

that’s his choice and an assumption you’re making

and you still haven't answered my question what do we do with the male that is taking testosterone suppressants and estrogen. They will still have a nature advantage that will elevate them in a all female sport for just being born male.

If the transition was started properly, at the earliest onset of puberty, there won’t be much, if any advantage. In this, entirely hypothetical case that conservatives love to bring up, there would need to be a special consideration which would be entirely solved by my earlier suggestion of the boys division being an all encompassing division that anyone can choose to compete in, while the girls division remains the girls only division.

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Nuggburner
a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm confused she's a born female that's doping beats up on females that aren't taking testosterone and through sjw math some how it's equality? Lol whatever

Yes, you are a bit confused. He doesn’t want to compete against girls; he wants to compete against the guys. The state won’t let him. Why do you think that is?

Because she is a woman. I would have thought it obvious that the sport would want only men to compete in a mens event.

You don’t have a problem with transgendered folk but continually misgender this one?

Bruh...

It's a woman. I am using the correct gender.
She WANTS to be a man, but will never be and she has no say in how I view her. I certainly don't have a problem with her other than she is taking drugs and is being allowed to, when others can not.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Like I said before, if he wants to compete against the men, let him compete. If he loses, he loses.

Like I also said before, it depends on the individual trans female. Some started on hormones before puberty, thus they will have the same muscle and bone mass as a female. The ones who didn't start taking hormones until they were 25 and only started taking them a couple months before competition, have an unfair advantage against the other women. There has to be some regulations in place.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: eNumbra

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: kaylaluv

originally posted by: Nuggburner
a reply to: Xtrozero

I'm confused she's a born female that's doping beats up on females that aren't taking testosterone and through sjw math some how it's equality? Lol whatever

Yes, you are a bit confused. He doesn’t want to compete against girls; he wants to compete against the guys. The state won’t let him. Why do you think that is?

Because she is a woman. I would have thought it obvious that the sport would want only men to compete in a mens event.

You don’t have a problem with transgendered folk but continually misgender this one?

Bruh...

It's a woman. I am using the correct gender.
She WANTS to be a man, but will never be and she has no say in how I view her. I certainly don't have a problem with her other than she is taking drugs and is being allowed to, when others can not.

K.

You can’t refer to him as him, only as she and it; this is a safe place, you can admit you have some hang ups about the trans issue.

originally posted by: kaylaluv

HE is willing to take that chance. Why not let HIM?

Because it also opens the door for the male who wants to be a female to compete in female sports. I told you already what might see reasonable to you and me in this case will set a legal precedence that can be abused once it is in place. If it was up to me and we are only talking about this case I would be all for it, but it is a slippery slop to say the least.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: eNumbra

There’s an ocean of difference between someone who “thinks they’re the other gender” and someone who’s actively doing hormone replacement therapy to live the rest of their life as the other gender; but acknowledging that would force you to rethink the overly simplified assumptions you’re using to justify your stance on this.

So she competes against males and goes nowhere or gets hurt, and you still haven't answered my question what do we do with the male that is taking testosterone suppressants and estrogen. They will still have a nature advantage that will elevate them in a all female sport for just being born male.

You are not talking sports and competition anymore. Divisive politics instead.

You are now engaging Aldous Huxleys " Brave New World" as politics and media become our entertainment. The lines have been crossed. Everything is become political and thus entertainment. Nothing is real. No truth can be grasped as everything is subjective. Not even boy and girl is accepted anymore as truth. What's next? I honestly cannot imagine what could be next. I myself, blame the millenials. If they could not figure out a way to get an education that created more debt that 3 mortgages and not have enough skillsets aquired to tell the difference between a boy or a girl if you want to compete in high school sports we are screwed.
And serena is a man. There I said it

a reply to: Xtrozero

There is a way to fairly regulate it.

originally posted by: eNumbra

If the transition was started properly, at the earliest onset of puberty, there won’t be much, if any advantage. In this, entirely hypothetical case that conservatives love to bring up, there would need to be a special consideration which would be entirely solved by my earlier suggestion of the boys division being an all encompassing division that anyone can choose to compete in, while the girls division remains the girls only division.

So you want to be sexist...I get it... That will be the argument when the boy who is now girl is not allowed to compete against females... The courts have very funny ways in rulings that you and I might see as unreasonable, but in the end they would be forced to rule in a direction that ALL can have their way.

We might get lucky and have the male division open to all and you and I see that as a fix, but it would alienate ALL males going though hormone treatments to be a girl, they would have no option but to not compete.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Xtrozero

Like I said before, if he wants to compete against the men, let him compete. If he loses, he loses.

Like I also said before, it depends on the individual trans female. Some started on hormones before puberty, thus they will have the same muscle and bone mass as a female. The ones who didn't start taking hormones until they were 25 and only started taking them a couple months before competition, have an unfair advantage against the other women. There has to be some regulations in place.

But she cannot dope to do it and that puts her in danger. Get this. You cannot dope and compete. She is a girl

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: eNumbra

If the transition was started properly, at the earliest onset of puberty, there won’t be much, if any advantage. In this, entirely hypothetical case that conservatives love to bring up, there would need to be a special consideration which would be entirely solved by my earlier suggestion of the boys division being an all encompassing division that anyone can choose to compete in, while the girls division remains the girls only division.

So you want to be sexist...I get it... That will be the argument when the boy who is now girl is not allowed to compete against females... The courts have very funny ways in rulings that you and I might see as unreasonable, but in the end they would be forced to rule in a direction that ALL can have their way.

We might get lucky and have the male division open to all and you and I see that as a fix, but it would alienate ALL males going though hormone treatments to be a girl, they would have no option but to not compete.

As Kayla and I have both stated and you repeatedly ignore, as long as the MTF transition is started before puberty, there’s no problem. Stop trying to make it a black and white issue.