The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

a reply to: wtbengineer

I really don't see why we couldn't! I often forget that I am an adult now and can literally do whatever I want lol. Lately I have been trying to put myself in a mindset of "If I was 10 years old and had no clue about responsibility or financial responsibility what would I do". I really do think we could get our physical selves together at some point. I know we have another active participant up in Canada but don't know which coast, and don't want to speak for them.

I think it could definitely be in a realm of possibility to find a place in the midwest and just book a few cabins at a camp ground or something to start. Travel would probably be the most expensive aspect I would imagine.

DFW is Dallas Fort Worth area.

a reply to: sputniksteve

DFW is Dallas Fort Worth area.

Doh! Of course it is!

I think he meant Dallas Fort Worth

a reply to: sputniksteve

I'd love to visit Texas sometime. Checking out a Cowboy's game is on my bucket list. It would be super cool to head down there, though it is further down the road. There are still travel restrictions for visitors to America, iirc.

I hail from the Tricities area in Metro Vancouver, B.C.

Anyone can feel free to message me anytime. I know investigating the events in TVP can be kind of wild.

Have a great weekend,

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

Glad to see you back around here. If you can think about travelling all the way down to Texas I guess I don't have any excuse then do I?

I started reading TVP again, I think I'm in chapter 13. I've been noticing some things that I either didn't the first go around or have just forgotten. One thing that I didn't pay that much attention to but seems like a really weird detail, the way Lukas can see and hear them sometimes in certain areas. If that were possible in any kind of scenario I think it should go both ways but it doesn't. This suggests to me either hoax, which I don't believe, or something other than a sixteenth century fellow pretending to be that. Plus the poltergeist phenomena I said way earlier in the thread suggests something else.

a reply to: wtbengineer

Thank you wtbengineer.

It is an interesting point you bring up about Lukas being able to see them sometimes. I can't remember which specific areas were involved, and don't know if that holds any clues. I get the impression individual sensitivity comes into play, thinking back about the wide range of perceptions encountered by individuals in similar environments with regards to paranormal experiences.

I picture the events the TVP describes, as being the result of a combination of many factors aligning in specific fashion in space time. Exploring that brings up many questions. I notice synchronicity more often in real time involving smaller periods. Examining my thoughts and the things that capture my attention, I suspect the odds noticed are a reflection of the time invested and energy thoughts carry. A part of me is curious about what someone with an excellent memory (from within/without) would say about the topic and the experiences they have noticed.

In a mechanical sense, a more objective approach to bridging the gap between communicating between the past and present interactively makes me wonder about what kind of anchor someone would use to navigate time that way. Perhaps in the future, mankind will be aware of an objective quantifiable way to go about it. For now it alludes me. I doubt the science of how it happens necessarily needs to be explained to be able to experience the effects though. I feel the power on intent and emotion can carry more gravity than we realize. Imo, the principles at play don't need to be quantifiable to work with.

I haven't explored poltergeist phenomena very much, nor recall any experiences in my life atm. I lean to those experiences more often coming up as part of the way someone's aura interacts and expresses itself with the world around them. I am someone who believes in the effects of subtle energy. It's called by various names, depending on the system. I believe parts of it may be electromagnetic. Most often the names ether, spirit, or light are what I call it. A fifth element of some kind.

Sharing this reminds me of a time I was talking about a metaphysical idea with someone on Reddit. Iirc we were talking about the Mandela effect. It was a while back, I think they were feeling down. I was hanging out and it was between our back and forth I was contemplating our conversation.

All of a sudden the picture in my stair's landing just fell down. I went over to investigate, the pin holding it up, failed. I found this curios. Getting back to the conversation afterwards they, had shared something rough right around that time. I had felt calm in the time leading up to the picture falling. I chalked it up coming down as partially to do with what the other was expressing. I don't remember dwelling on it, I was trying to reassure someone at the time. If I wasn't in the middle of the conversation when it happened, I probably wouldn't have remembered.

Being very curious my whole life, I've learned that it's important to beware of distractions. My grandfather used to tell me I may need blinders to walk in a straight line, lol.

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

I experienced poltergeist phenomena when I was a teenager. I was terrified and got the feeling that it was not a benevolent force that was responsible for the things going on. Also whatever it was could know my thoughts as I would test it to see if that were the case. Once I got that feeling that I wasn't alone and someone was watching me. A feeling like a small prey animal must get when it realizes it's being stalked by a large predator. So I just thought to myself "if someone is here then that picture will fall off the wall". It instantly obeyed. Other times objects would be moved around as I watched or footsteps going around and around in my room while I sat downstairs in the tv room below. Then when I moved out and got married it just stopped.

a reply to: wtbengineer

It's good to hear it stopped. It must of been really stressful.

I wonder about locations. I tend to picture poltergeist activity happening in older places, or in connection to lay lines. In my area, most of the buildings are relatively new.

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

Yeah it was stressful. Scared me so bad most of the time. When I was sitting in the tv room listening to the footsteps going round and round in my bedroom sometimes I'd just get up and drive up town until morning. Just sit in the parking lot of the shopping center and wait till morning. At the time this was going on my brothers were away at college except for my baby brother who was about 12. He would have been long asleep when this was happening usually like 1:00 am or so. Parents were also in bed so no physical people walking around up there.

You'd think things like this would be happening in an older house with some kind of history but that house I grew up in was built in 1950 I think, and this happened in the mid '70s. So the house was not that old.

a reply to: wtbengineer

Interesting, about the age of the house. I'd say the majority of buildings in my city were constructed in a similar timeframe.

I generally figure poltergeist activity to happen in older places, and places that have much history. I suspect that the more individuals who have lived somewhere the higher the odds of things like that taking place. North America's recorded history is relatively new compared to the old world.

Part of me suspects poltergeist activity may be caused by restless souls who for one reason or another are having challenges moving over to the other side. I get the impression that they may have experienced something traumatic that they are unable to let go of or are unable to forgive themselves for some of the difficult decisions they have made. God willing, time heals their wounds.

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

Hard to say what it is really. That's a theory I've heard many times and it sounds good, but it's not how it felt in my case. I am pretty sure whatever was messing with me was attached to me only, not the house. I don't know if attached is the right word, but only interested in messing with me. I think it actually stopped happening before I left that house, like it only happened until I was out of my teen years.

a reply to: wtbengineer

Imo, there are various possibilities for this kind of phenomena. Thinking about other experiences with poltergeist, I believe that often there are individuals that experience these sorts of things in their teen years. Hopefully, it's just a stage, it's always challenging experiencing otherworldly events especially as a young person.

a reply to: wtbengineer

Your right. That was meant to say holding voltage. I rewrote large parts of that while trying to make it easy to follow and not forget to include anything. Somewhere along the line I revised that sentence to the point that I didn't even notice the mistake until just now when you pointed it out.. "Current" may be the only original word left over from that whole paragraph. 😆 My writing has not been great since college and my vocabulary dropped when I joined the trades. Or maybe it was from when I had kids. They never let you exercise your talking.

In any case, I stand by my theory that there is not as much instrumental transcommunication of the type like TVP since the development of the modern cpu. I've had some other ideas since then about how I would go about making the leems boyste a real thing or how time travel communication could be done irl. I'll drop by and notify if I ever get around to writing them up on the reddit.

Btw, does anyone remember a story about a haunted office computer found to be typing messages by one of the cleaning staff? I stopped by here hoping this was where I initially found it. The message(s) were eerily similar to the old English ones that Thomas was sending in TVP.

a reply to: Cybrsqrl

Hey glad to see you chiming in. No worries about the misspeak, I do it all the time. I can't even remember why I pointed it out now, I usually wouldn't because I hate to call people out on their mistakes. At least the kind that you can tell that they know what's right but they just made a mistake.

Let us know if you get anywhere with your ideas about the leems boyste, that would be interesting to read.

I have vague recollection of a story like that, but not sure. I'd like to read about it if you can come across anything. ATS could be where you originally saw it but the archives are so vast good luck finding it. There's a treasure trove of stuff there though.

I still am having trouble believing that the communications in TVP were between human beings separated by time. I work in telecom and it just seems to me that something like this could be looked at like a microwave point-to-point link. in normal communications between two points you would normally have the same throughput each way. So it seems to me like if communications through time were possible each end would have the same capabilities. This is clearly not the case in TVP.

This leads me to believe that there is something or someone initiating these communications that are either in our time or not existing on a plane where time is a constraint. The poltergeist phenomena are a good example of my point. How could someone from centuries ago effect the physical environment in our time when we could not do the same thing? Or if Lukas were also experiencing that phenomena on his end, how could he see into our time when Ken and Deb couldn't see his? It just doesn't make sense. I believe there is something going on here, but I believe that it is not being truthful about its nature and motivation.

Hey guys! Glad you mentioned your location DFRNT, I remembered but didn't want to "out" you without consent. One of these days guys, before long we should really do this.

I am going to make dinner but wanted to share, that I found that TV remote I mentioned a week or so back! I lifted the couch cushion for an unrelated reason, and it was just sitting there at the edge plain as day. The same cushion I have lifted a dozen times in search of that remote, the same spots I ran my hands each time I looked. Even the boy had looked numerous times. I wasn't even surprised when saw it today, I just shook my head. So very odd.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Yeah, let's do it!

That's how it happens to me all the time. I'm never surprised either, I just say "thank you".

I'm glad to see you dropping by, I know you're wrapped up in life. Me too, but I try to check this thread anyway since I've been reading TVP again. So far, no weirdness happening because I'm thinking about it more, but I'm just waiting.

Hey guys. I tell you this Monday was a weird one. Bare with me for a second while I try and explain.

Sunday I was traveling and supposed to head a bit further North than I already was, but had a disagreement with my romantic interest so decided to return home instead. I woke up Monday still pretty bothered so went out of my way to be active and keep myself occupied. I did manage to get a ton of stuff done and felt great about the day. The boy was at his moms house and I didn't want to stay home alone so I decided to go an AA meeting.

I have spent considerable time in AA and NA meetings, as I started going with a parent when I was still just a young child. As an adult when I found myself in those rooms for my own benefit I was already very comfortable. It is a bit of a safe place for me regardless of any current issues with abstention where I feel like I am among people like me. I just really didn't want to be alone and it's a free social experience that is healthy and beneficial for me.

So I walk into the room, and it should be noted I have been in this particular room about 2 or 3 years ago. I went one time to this location for much the same reasons, and have never been back since. I walk in and the chair of the meeting (just happens to be named Bill lol) says "hi" and is looking at me oddly and asks if I have been there before. I comment on my way to the bathroom that I had once about 3 years ago. Another guy sitting at the table is also looking at me weird and says "So you weren't here yesterday?". I tell him "No, I most certainly wasn't here yesterday". They both just say "Ok, weird. There is a guy that comes here that looks just like you".

I sit down and check my phone, and was honestly wondering if these 2 guys weren't messing with me a bit trying to create some mystical experience that would convince me to get sober or something like that. A few minutes later a woman walks in and greets a few people near the door then sits down to my left. There is also a guy sitting already to my right.

So new lady looks my way and says "Hi Steve, Hi other guys name" (she said my actual real birth name, not Steve), I do a double take and say "How did you know my name?" She replies "I mean, it's Steve isn't it?" I say "Yes, but how did YOU know that?" Now she is looking at me weird.

In walk 4 more people, who all say hello to me by my name, and weirded out my insistence that they shouldn't know my name. The last guy to come to the meeting comes in, and is told by Bill to sit in the empty chair next to him. This new guy looks at Bill and says "Isn't this Steves seat?" Bill raises his head and looks dead in my eyes and says "Yeah but he is sitting over there today for some reason".

These people truly and honestly thought that I was either messing with them, or had experienced some kind of mental break or something. It was discussed in the open later, I explained that they had seriously freaked me out for a couple minutes. Like I started to question whether I had actually been there the day before, whether I was experiencing some kind of break or split personality or something. It scared the absolute crap out of me for a minute honestly.

I know for a fact I wasn't there though, I drove 18 hours over 24 and brought a table saw home with me. I spent the night at my aunts and had dinner and breakfast with my grandma. I really don't know what to think about this.

I had intended to go back yesterday evening because everyone insisted he should be there Tuesday night, even though they were all surprised he didn't show up Monday. I am still not 100% convinced it wasn't all a show for me, but that is also hard to believe. For one, they would have to do this for all new people that came in, they would have to be very practiced, this would be a real clandestine operation where they found out the new guys name when he is 10 mins early and text it to everyone else in a secret text group or something. This would have had to either be set up impossibly fast or a constant and ongoing thing for them. I have a hard time believing all of that honestly.

So, so, so weird. I absolutely have to meet this man that goes by the same first name and apparently looks exactly like me. To the point that people whom spend considerable time with him think I am him and don't believe when I say I am not. They really were looking at and treating me like I was being the weird one pretending to be someone else.

a reply to: sputniksteve
Hey, I don't think I've ever posted on the thread, as I never read the book - but I've been lurking thru here since page 1...
Anyway, I was fascinated to read of your experience Monday and am really hoping that you end up meeting this guy!!

I had a good friend who was born, raised, and lives in a farming area South of Fresno California, and she's had experiences similar to yours, though not with so many people at the same time -
- more like, over the years - just every now and then, as she would be going around doing various errands or shopping trips, random people would come up and start talking to her as if she was a close friend...

...and it would take some convincing for them to believe she wasn't the person they thought.

It always kind of freaked her out, and she was never interested in trying to meet the 'doppelgänger' person..

Anyway, I thought you might want to know you're not entirely alone in that experience.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Now that's just messed up, I mean, twilight zone messed up! I don't know what to think of all that. It makes no sense unless you were there and just had some kind of brain episode and don't remember, which I doubt... Are you re-reading TVP by any chance?

Hi folks

I'm new to this forum and new to the Dodlestone events but what I have read so far is fascinating (half way through the book already)

I'm very keen to hear others views on what seems to me to be very unlikely as a hoax for those involved have gained very little as a result.

My background is military but I also have a deep rooted interest in all things "outside our normal realm"...to that end I am a psychic and a spiritual healer (not currently practising due to work commitments but that is due to change very soon)

So as my mentor says "keep posting"