The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

I am really happy to hear that you are still cruising along dude. Are you still writing lately? I haven't been able to for a year at least. I know we discussed privately but I also kind of hinted toward things here, but I started divorce proceedings last year. Things have just been a struggle since, but I don't complain in order to get any pity. Even though I believe it was the best thing for everyone involved it is difficult to cope with the loss of a certain life and everything that came with it. I went from having a very stagnant personal life involving only reading/discussing/working/dad'ing to trying to monumentally changing all of that personal life which left no room for these types of topics unfortunately. I wish I was able to balance these things with real life but it is hard for me to compartmentalize some things. I have been a little sedentary the last few months but feeling much better recently. While I have always enjoyed solitude and have always been able to entertain myself, I am also realizing that being alone with me is not conducive to healthiness lol. I will try my best to keep organized this week and write you in email.

I am very interested in reading about the BBC computer switches, as well as the addendum. I wasn't aware of the addendum at all and now need to see it! Anything you can share by link would be awesome, but ill make a note to look for myself as well.

a reply to: wtbengineer

Yeah I did a poor job of putting that post together or explaining what I was talking about. My new friend most certainly wasn't out doing hits, but someone absolutely was and people close to her suddenly stopped breathing in weird circumstances. It was a very politicized and national event, where some of the biggest names were getting listed for doing terrible things. Terrible things of which continued to happen afterwards, and have been a major part of the news cycle for the last couple years. She didn't ask for participation, but was forced through her job and the field she worked in.

It is truly very scary stuff, of which I ended up having more personal connections than I am comfortable with. A friend of my parents was implicated in the entire ordeal, but I didn't learn that until a few weeks ago. A parent of a friend was implicated from the beginning though, which was why I stopped talking about it online for the most part when I learned of their connection over a decade ago. She may not care if I talk more openly and allude to her connection and name, but it really is better to be safe than sorry.

Guys it is really fun and exciting to be speaking with you again here. I am crazy busy with work lately (great thing!) but I want to be more active again. You all have the gears in my head turning and I hope to keep it going if possible. I think we have some fresh eyes on the story lately, and all of us that have been here discussing since 2017 have learned and grown a lot. I made a half-assed attempt to reread the book earlier in July but would like to make an effort seriously now that I and circumstances have changed. So much has been shared in private that never got put to paper, I would really like to try and find a way to bring some of those discussions to light. And I don't just mean between me and Gary, I mean between all of the people that have spent time viewing this thread. I am certain that you all have also had private conversations stemming from this thread that simply weren't shared out of confidence that were probably just as mind blowing as this thread. At some point I think we can/should all choose to put each card on the table for the community. It's a bit scary though.

a reply to: Ksihkehe

Hi Ksihkehe, welcome! Thanks for such a fantastic PM. I think you will find quite a few people very receptive to what you have to say. It's always very exciting to have a fresh take and the benefit of hindsight that wasn't possible in the beginning.

originally posted by: sputniksteve
I am really happy to hear that you are still cruising along dude. Are you still writing lately? I haven't been able to for a year at least. I know we discussed privately but I also kind of hinted toward things here, but I started divorce proceedings last year. Things have just been a struggle since, but I don't complain in order to get any pity. Even though I believe it was the best thing for everyone involved it is difficult to cope with the loss of a certain life and everything that came with it. I went from having a very stagnant personal life involving only reading/discussing/working/dad'ing to trying to monumentally changing all of that personal life which left no room for these types of topics unfortunately. I wish I was able to balance these things with real life but it is hard for me to compartmentalize some things. I have been a little sedentary the last few months but feeling much better recently. While I have always enjoyed solitude and have always been able to entertain myself, I am also realizing that being alone with me is not conducive to healthiness lol. I will try my best to keep organized this week and write you in email.

I haven't been writing much lately, Echo's Dilemna was the last. I'm still working with the ideas, may add some more thoughts down the road a bit.

It's good to hear that you have been working through the changes in your personal life. The time and energy you spend now is well invested and hopefully will make it easier to be kind to each other as your roles change. There's plenty of time to get back to these sorts of interests as your time allows. Some time has gone by since you started this thread, I'm happy ATS is still here for us.

originally posted by: sputniksteve
I am very interested in reading about the BBC computer switches, as well as the addendum. I wasn't aware of the addendum at all and now need to see it! Anything you can share by link would be awesome, but ill make a note to look for myself as well.

In The Vertical Plane subreddit, there was a thread The Magic Of Time Travel Computers. The op had some cool ideas, though this was the part that I had in mind...

Modern CPU transistors are very energy efficient. When they get their full voltage and current, they are on and the binary value is considered 1. When power is removed, they drop all that energy to ground and give a binary value of 0 because there is literally no voltage or current present.

This is NOT true of very old CPUs like the original 6502. The transistors in these always hold a small amount of current so they are always using power, even when the CPU is doing nothing. In addition, they register a binary 1 or 0 (depending on the logic used by the designer) when fully powered and the opposite value WHEN THE POWER FALLS TO SOME VALUE BELOW FULLY ON. This meant they were electrically noisy, prone to binary errors that needed correcting and were thus not as fast as they could be. In addition they could be effected by exterior electrical noise and cause interference in other electrical devices. In a very simplistic way, this makes these old CPUs very much like a radio transmitter/receiver that operates at a very high frequency.

I'm sorry for teasing you with the addendum. I'll try to give it a proper quote next time I have the book.

a reply to: dffrntkndfnml

Ok I am going to read the Magic of Time travel link. The blurb you posted about the switches though....WHOA. It's a fascinating writeup for sure. Looking forward to browsing that sub.

Also very interesting user name for the mod of that sub! lol I dig it though.

a reply to: sputniksteve

That was a very interesting article. There were a lot of things that made sense, but one thing that stood out to me early in the article was when he talked about transistors of the time holding current. Well, nothing can hold current, current is moving electrical charge. I know he probably meant holding voltage or potential, depending on your preference of terms. But that's the kind of mistake that I don't think I'd make, not that I don't misspeak and make mistakes myself, I certainly do. That's just a very fundamental thing you learn in electronics. Anyway, it was a good theory, as good as anything I've heard. Who knows? I still haven't gotten back to reading TVP over again, just too busy. Hopefully soon.

a reply to: wtbengineer

I agree, it was terribly interesting and absolutely fascinating, but after the intro it was hard to see it as profound necessarily. I am also in the camp of "who knows?". I started doing some digging but got side tracked a little.

Hi everyone. Just about to leave but figured I would mention stuff seems to be missing from my house this week. I have been spending the last couple days reading and thinking about TVP adjacent things and suddenly it starts getting weird around the house again.

The boy and I cannot find the TV remote anywhere. It's not a big place, and the furniture is pretty limited. It is just suddenly gone without a trace. Even stranger, 1 of our 4 bowls disappeared. It may sound ridiculous to claim that I have total lockdown on the location of all my dishes at any moment but it's true. It's just the 2 of us, we use the same dishes and I am the only one that cleans and chooses them in any case. It's impossible for me to lose a bowl, but alas I am down one anyway.

Could be nothing obviously. Just figured I would ask if anyone else is getting weird this week.

originally posted by: sputniksteve

One message that was left in chalk on a wall I believe which I have never seen mentioned before caught my interest, although there is no supposed author that I could tell."The eyes are open yet nothing do you see-the grey retarding mass is your convict- quietly, alone he sits in the dark- waiting for sentence to be passed and demanding through the eyes of the blind- of unspoken questions to answers of ethereal-the soul- he is the traveller- chain nor bar can hold him to frail flesh- here is the ruler of time and space -Here is your God" (note the hyphens are for the weird structure of the actual writing, it wasn't complete sentences and spatially written strange)

Reminds me of the Dhammapada

Verse 37.
Death’s Snare Can Be Broken By a Tamed Mind

Drifting far, straying all alone,
formless, recumbent in a cave.
They will be free from Mara’s bonds
who restrain this mind.

Explanation: The mind is capable of travelling vast distances - up or down, north or south, east or west - in any direction. It can travel to the past or the future. It roams about all alone. It is without any perceptible forms. If an individual were to restrain the mind fully, he will achieve freedom from the bonds of death.

a reply to: Crowfoot

It sounds cool in the very least. Are you able to tell me any of the context in which it would be understood?

a reply to: sputniksteve

Wow, that was weird. I was typing along and all of a sudden my computer went crazy and my reply just disappeared. Anyway, I was saying that there's definitely a link between strange things happening in your home and what you spend your time thinking about. I've gone through this lots of times. When things disappear around here I just say out loud "give it back".
I just had an Xacto knife blade fall on the floor of my shop the other night and I couldn't find it anywhere even though I saw where it fell and I scoured the floor. I said "give it back" and the next day I found it inside my shoe, like under where my heel would be. I mean, who knows? It could have bounced off the floor and gone down inside my shoe but it sure seems like I'd have felt a razor blade under my heel. Anyway, that must be what happened.
I'm also one bowl down! And like you I'm the one who cleans and keeps track of the dishes... Of course, I do have a pre-teen boy living here who has been known to carry things off to his lair where they are never seen again.

a reply to: wtbengineer

Very strange. My son and I talked about it quite a bit last night. He is a bright kid, that is very creative and a robust imagination. His also very scared of the dark, and what he thinks might lurk there. While it is confusing to me at times, like how can you be scared laying in a bed next to your dad? But at the same time I remember being his age and having completely irrational fears of unknown things in my house too.

In any case, he is a little freaked out by the missing remote and bowl. I am annoyed but also there is a little bit of freak out because I should be able to explain this and can't. I assured him it wasn't anything we needed to fear or be concerned about, that these things happen and just as strangely suddenly reappear. I feel like that was sufficient for him to hear.

Ive discussed our relationship here before I think, that I attempt to be his father instilling the lessons that a father instills but I also talk to him at times as if I wasn't his father and he wasn't my kid. I like to introduce very serious and complicated subjects in a way that hopefully makes sense to him and maybe plants a seed of interest, that will eventually sprout into something cool. It may happen, or may not. I don't need him to be interested in the same things I am, but I would like if he has interest in the things that I do. I do also think he has the potential to achieve things that I could only ever dream of, and I like to think that I would be a part of that through osmosis.

Either way we had a very long discussion last night, about a wide range of topics. I am not exactly sure what I said, or what he heard but something clicked for him. There was something personal that I shared, that unknowingly was the thing he needed to hear that convinced him that he really could trust me with anything, that there is no idea or thought that would put me off, or make me look at him funny. I don't even know exactly what it was that I said, I only know that I saw the lightbulb go on and his face change and every step he took afterwards was a tad lighter.

This gave me a tremendous amount of relief and sparked an immense pride in him and the two of us as a unit. There are a lot of skills in life that I am not the best teacher for, that I am glad other people around us can influence better than I can. There are simply a lot of parts of being a person that I am not all that good at. I think there are a few things that I am really good at though, and I think he really gets it now in a way he hasn't prior. That really excites me. It feels like there is considerably less pressure on me in some aspects, and I think that will result in me being better at some parts of being a dad than I was before.

None of this is really related to our thread at all, I am just madly in love with this boy and wanted to verbalize these things.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Sounds like you're a really good dad. That's one of the biggest accomplishments you could possibly achieve in life. Definitely one of the most important. I'm glad for you, I wish I could connect with my kids that way. Especially my 12 year old. He's a high functioning autistic. He only shows a couple signs and they're not too obvious. We just found out last year. He has a really short fuse and blows up over the weirdest things sometimes. Gets very obsessive about things too. But he's really good at some things and if he can keep focused I'm sure he'll do well in life. This isn't related to the thread either, but I wanted to respond to you. I want to get back into TVP but I'm a little apprehensive about it...

a reply to: sputniksteve

Since beginningless experiential 'time' of an individual? Mind has already been on 'it(any experiential object), and as a result has left it's 'stink' or 'bad breath' all over it. The grasping of all that 'existing'(as real) is accepting that 'stink' as reality instead of seeing it and knowing it as a corpse.

Gadflies
Some worms eat enough grow wings and fly away,
Other worms eat to the heart of the matter grow wings and fly away,
While other worms are not happy until they get into the very core or marrow of the matter...
Still hungering hankering and thirsting for the same die not knowing self from other.
Those that left alight on the same sort of being or follow them desiring the same and wishing they never left like the others.

With a couple of apps recording and dictation and a microphone one can do the same as the above experimenters. I bought a dictation program many years ago and the microphone was very sensitive from all the contact etc. between me getting up taking it off going to the bathroom or to get something to drink it would translate all that 'noise' of contact into readable words... sort of a virtual or as some would put it artificial clairvoyance... the program like a 'mind' continually set only on: What this sound is must be a word as the hard input... and what comes out of me? Must be translated into a word. As the soft output. Garbage in garbage out did not apply... as any noise was translated into a word... what gets called our 'subconscious' 'Alaya consciousness'(earlier terminology) does exactly the same thing as that program; but simply gets called 'mind' when translated... meditation would be the same thing as sitting and editing all of that nonsense noise or word jumble into comprehensible forms that actually say something comprehensible in the order of appearance.

That dear author of this thread; would just simply what people call a 'being' and a 'life' as how all of that gets translated is based on the individual receiver that has either grasped or not grasped the same 'stink' as existing. The non-existent? 'Table' does not exist it is merely a representational word once 'Occam's razor' or 'discernment hits the word or concept of table... once it does 'table' ceases to exist and 'infinity' as it was before 'table' continues to flow having washed the delusion of 'table' away.

a reply to: wtbengineer

I get the trepidation, I have/had been feeling it too. Man I am terribly sorry to hear of the obstacles you all are facing. I am not sure what else to say, especially in the face of my selfish tendency to try and talk all problems away. Please know I have nothing but love and hope for y'all, sincerely.

a reply to: Crowfoot

Ok ok, thank you. I am glad you replied in this manner, because I was not grasping it. I am following along now but I am still lagging behind. I have to give this more thought because I am not seeing the whole picture yet.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Thanks a lot brother, that means a lot to me. Haha, those aren't nearly the only obstacles, but that's not something to go into here. I really appreciate you man. I think I'm going to be brave and dive back in, maybe we will continue discussions on the thread topic.

a reply to: wtbengineer

The feeling really is mutual. We have all learned a whole lot about this book and science and meta physics and paranormal, and the list goes on. Aside from all of that, it feels like we have also provided each other something else. I enjoy the humanity we have all gotten out of this thread, and the support we have had for each other.

This thread and the conversations we had here really affected me in reconsidering how I communicate online, and bringing it closer to how I communicate in real life. I am embarrassed by how close minded I can be at times, while also enjoying the benefit of being given the benefit of the doubt in my own incredible tales. I rarely make my own posts or start threads on the internet in general, I am a "witty reply" type of guy. I get self conscious about presenting myself or my ideas to the world, and have always had a feeling that it should be "perfect" before it is presented. I am not actually capable of perfect though, so end up not presenting much. I think I have subconsciously used it as a tool or an excuse that I give to myself to be lazy and not compel myself to write things that I believe are important and worth writing. It helps me procrastinate without getting too down on myself. I would like to change this about myself.

No one participating in this thread, or DM'ing me about this thread has ever made me feel self conscious or embarrassed even once. The grace with which you all have allowed me to share my ideas and learn from yours, while occasionally making a fool of myself was and is inspiring. There are mistakes I made during this thread that I would change, there have been things said since the time of this thread that were mistakes, but I am a better online citizen due to you all. I really try and think hard about what I am posting now, and how I am posting. I try to be less judgemental, more forgiving, more understanding, and just plain kinder. This seems of little importance considering the topic at hand, but I spend far more time communicating online than I do in person. So my online "me" should just be the real "me".

I don't know the ways you all have improved through these discussions, but I am sure their are ways for each of us. I am very proud of the environment that we fostered and the acceptance that was shown. I am really glad that I was lucky enough to stumble into all of this, and just happen to be the one to author the thread. For the sake of the book and investigation itself of course, for the tiny bit of attention and importance I felt for a moment, and the tremendous positive change that occurred in me. But equally for the people that I got to meet in the process and the friendships that we developed.

I am dead serious when I say there is an open invitation in North Texas. I really enjoy company and always have a spare bedroom. It would be my absolute pleasure to spend an afternoon or evening together. If I had the financial means I would rent a block of hotel rooms and throw a get-together for anyone that wanted to come. Even without the financial means to just pay for it all myself I would still like to do this somehow, it's just a matter of getting a consensus and a list of who else would be interested. It doesn't have to be a "you need to have this amount of money right now or in the next month" type thing. To begin if we knew what country we are in, and state.

I think most people aren't comfortable sharing that info online in this matter. I normally wouldn't either, but with this screen name I have ruined any chance I had at not being identified a decade ago. It wouldn't take a genius to figure out I am in DFW. Curious what y'all think about this, and maybe we can brain storm on a way to have a cool weekend meet up sometime in the future. No real hurry. I suspect the biggest issue is that we are an international group here, even if many of us are on the same continents. My house is clean and safe and doesn't smell bad. We don't have an bizarre habits or quarks that would make things uncomfortable. We are also not pretentious or snobby. You do need to take your shoes off when you come in, but I won't complain if you don't use a coaster.

I really want to hang out with y'all!

a reply to: wtbengineer

I went off on a tangent there, but wanted to say there seems to be a lot of conversation about TVP on reddit lately. A lot of it is rehashing stuff we beat to death here but I have seen new takes. There are a lot of people researching ancestry records and trying to find the book. It's been kind of exciting to see.

The sub was made by the account "mycatisfromspace" which really gave me a chuckle.

a reply to: sputniksteve

It's funny, I bet we all feel the way you describe, I know I do. I never want to post anything unless it's "perfect", but you're right, nothing is perfect. I've always felt a disconnect between the real life me and the online me. I don't want it to be this way but I have a hard time being any other way. At least in this thread I've been more comfortable and less critical of what I write because you make it so easy but I still do struggle to write from the heart and not overthink everything.

You really think we could get people together for real? Our actual physical selves? I think that would be wonderful! I live in south central PA which isn't really that close to Texas but I wouldn't mind seeing Texas sometime. My oldest son was in Texas for a while when he was in the Army. He said that those jack rabbits were scary. You probably don't have them in North Texas... That's been 20 years though I'm sure. Jeez, that makes me really old doesn't it? Yet I have a 12 year old and an 8 year old here now...

Oh and what's DFW?