The Vertical Plane by Ken Webster - Is this proof of Time manipulation and travel or just a story?

Ive been riding my bike around the local schools track lately. It's a glorious smooth black rubber of some kind. Low speed with head phones in. Just a relaxing smooth circle over and over again. It reminds me a lot of a dream I used to have when I was young, I think I told it here once. I was staring at a horizon and from the west this old person on a bike would be riding east like a 2 dimensional figure on paper. The person would be going very slowly and deliberately while staring straight at me, slowly moving across the sight line. Meanwhile life type events would be happening all around the rider at increasing speeds, just normal things like wind moving trees and grass growing and the sun setting. I have never really understood what it was about, but I feel a lot like that person this week.

for anyone interested, you can see which libraries carry it via the link below
www.worldcat.org...

I did find it in stock in the UAE, but they wont ship here (Australia)

Good link thank you Heath.

If y'all don't mind I would like to blog a little bit more. For the first time in almost 4 years I don't have anything more to say about TVP but I thoroughly enjoy the discussions had here and the company that is kept. I have been really single minded and stubborn about a lot of the discussion which I wish I would have realized earlier than I did, I should have been more receptive to more ideas. I'm afraid I may have shut down some lines of thought both internally and externally which is a shame and really selfish. For that matter I can apply those same things to a lot of aspects of my life and personality and how I have interacted and reacted. It wasn't what I initially set out to do, I just got too caught up in things. I take full responsibility and to that end want to extend my sincerest apologies to everyone I have transgressed throughout. I have been foolish and flagrant with a lot of ideas that I was simply ignorant of or didn't want to see for myself. I will give my greatest efforts to correct or repair any damage I have done if possible.

Having said all of that, I don't wish to end this post with a sense of doom or uneasiness, as I very much embody the opposite of those things. I am so grateful to everyone involved for allowing me to share myself and my ideas with you and for all of you having the grace to allow me to do my thing. I think this thread has been a somewhat unique experience at ATS in the support the community over all has given. I truly didn't expect it when I started this thread and couldn't be more pleased with what was accomplished. If nothing else I think we have shown that "ower lands be not soe distant".

I firmly believe that everything required is available here. So what is next? Would anyone else like to officially take the reigns for a while? I think there is still plenty to do and discuss, but I would like to just be an observer or participant for a while. I reckon each of you are capable of picking up and continuing so who would like to step out of their comfort zone embarrass themself to death?

I am not going anywhere, I just want to put all of my focus into my work and family and achieving some long procrastinated goals. If the thread takes another break that is fine too, I would like y'all to decide though. Each of you has my full support, confidence and of course my love.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Hello steve, yes sorry I have been up to my neck straight after I recommended that book a few weeks ago sorry about that.
I've definitely got a lot to share with you, as far as insider information is concerned just call it experience! Soon i'll have some free time and i'll read all the new posts and get back into this thread-speak soon

a reply to: DrWolfgang

No worries, I understand how it goes it is a busy time for many of us I think. I look forward to seeing what you share next.

I just wanted to share a project that a family member is working on, I believe that y'all will share my enthusiasm for it. The project is writing algorithms for Machine Learning and A.I.. The example that I was given was for scanning writing works done in order to determine the authors. It was explained to me simply (because I am simple on this topic) with these 2 examples.

Supervised Search: One would scan the first half of all books written by 20 different authors. Once that database was created one could anonymously scan the second half of all those books by all those authors, and the algorithm is capable of attributing all of those anonymous submissions to the author that wrote them. It does this using syntax, word use, etc.

Unsupervised Search: One could scan all books written by all authors between the years 0-1000 a.d., regardless of whether there is an author attributed. Once that database was created the algorithms could give probabilities to the likelihood that a particular author wrote the work. So it would be possible to attribute works done by unknown authors if there is anything else they had written. As well it could find instances of discovering pen names, or whether or not a claimed author actually wrote something.

While TVP certainly crossed my mind for this project, there are other books I would be more interested in running through the program. For instance it would be really cool to discover whether or not the author of the Voynich manuscript wrote anything else, and possibly naming the author. The bible could be scanned and compared to all known authors during a specific time period to determine whether or not it was written by who we are to believe wrote it.

I don't know if I would ever have access to request specific searches, as it is a commercial project and not their own creation. They are actually writing the algorithms though so it is entirely possible. What are some other books or works that you guys think could be interesting to research this way? I don't think it has to be limited to books or completed works, but does require examples from other works in order to compare so single examples wouldn't be viable for the supervised searches but could be viable in unsupervised I believe.

Bumping to get the thread back on my subscribed list. Hope everyone is doing well.

Im sorry to subject y'all to it, but I need to blog today. I didn't sleep very well last night. There is a lot going on in my mind. There is a momentum to life right now that I can't help but recognize and comment on. To use a very cheesy term, I feel like there was an imbalance to the world that was recently corrected. Not just in my own comings and goings and those around me, but on a grander scale. Maybe not but it feels like it. I feel confident about it, but you all know how that goes with me lol. I am not talking about TVP or anything related, but just in a human life kind of way. I feel like I have been stuck in neutral for a very long time, and suddenly the gears just caught and I was catapulted down a track out in front of everything else and I can see it all coming behind me. It feels a bit overwhelming, but it also feels very, very good. Maybe for the first time in my life, I am not afraid of anything at all. I believe I can handle anything that comes at me. Truly no fear. I can see all of it now, with perfect clarity and I believe I can do what is required to bring it all to fruition. That is a powerful feeling to have, and I am trying to slow things down and double check my math but I don't think I will have time. I think I have to just keep going and see where it takes me.

I had a realization about an earlier perspective I had. For the first part of my life I felt that I was a victim of the world, or that to be human was to accept what the world offered, that I had no agency in any of it. I didn't like that, and I at some point chose to flip the script. I wanted to take rather than be taken from, to impose my own will rather than let the world impose it's own. I made that decision, and acted on it. In doing so I eventually forgot that I made that decision and believed that's just what I was and what I did. It didn't suit me though, at all. It was all an act that was difficult and time consuming to keep up. I am grateful for the guidance and assistance that I had that somehow pulled me out of it. Once I saw it for what it was it was easy to return to the previous. It didn't feel easy at the time but I guess hindsight has a way of shading those types of things. I wonder about how I will reflect on this time of my life, whether I will be proud of what I have done and become. I am sure I will spot mistakes and wish I made certain choices differently but I can't see them right now, whether they are there or not.

I started writing (if you call this writing) to communicate my excitement, to share with people I would come to think of as my friends, to investigate a mystery together. I didn't think it was for myself, but in the end I think that is what it always was. I needed to rewrite the story of myself, write a better beginning and middle, and begin writing a new end. I wanted to rebuild it all piece by piece just so that I could understand it all. That's not to say that I was always, or even now successful but I think I have given it a good effort. I am excited about what is still to be written. Right at this very second it's hard to believe there will be any obstacles but I know there will be, there always is. I think I have the formula though, and I know how to cross them all.

All my love to you and the world.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Basically to understand paranormal events like what happened in Ken's little cabin, your knowledge of the world must change. How it came to be, how it functions. SO for obvious reasons most people dismiss it out right since it's too ridiculous to believe. But we know better.
NOw, modern physics only takes the physical into account. And there is an entire "dimension" anterior to our physical world, which controls it, and another one behind that which controls that one- space and time only exist in the material world, it is a brain function. In the subtle world behind the material world, there is no time. No succession, only simultaniety. your mind is like a window into this other worldt too. So every human already exists in these other worlds, latently however.
Think of a Sun, which shines rays forward. The rays are an emanation of the Sun itself, but not it's entire being.
In a like manner, the Sun is your entire spirit being, inaccessible to most, the ray is your soul and the end of the ray is your physical body. Most of your soul and spirit is unconscious to you.
Now I believe most of what happened in TVP happened in the soul world-the world of mental influences/entities.
Are you familiar with the occult term of the Double? That's what goes and travels in different worlds while your physical body is asleep, you only recollection of the Double's experiences are dreams-BUT, most dreams are a mixture of confused experiences because your existential state is turbid. This is where asceticism comes in, you purify and build up your soul with training...I won't talk about it here however.

Now I think debbie's double was interacting with Thomas, and Thomas wasn't time traveling, it was just his Double interacting with Ken's and Debbies IN THE DIMENSION ABOVE WHICH HAS NO TIME. and since the anterior world controls the physical, certain effects happened here. The causes were with the doubles. This must have been on a low plane of the other world, right next to materiality.
There is no such thing as Reincarnation, only Metempsychosis and Transmigration. SO when someone dies, their spirit goes to enother world and leaves the many parts of the soul complex and the physical body behind. I mention this because I think theres a good chance what they thought was Thomas, was actually a part of the soul complex that had been left behind by the real thomas who had died and already Transmigrated long ago. This fragment of the soul didn't have a consciousness, but still had the appearance of Thomas, like a double. This is all in a noetic world, mind you.
This soul fragment would have been doing nothing at all until Debbie and Ken began giving it attention, and it acquired a consciousness off them like a reflection and then became stronger.
And everyone else in the story like Katherine and the Sheriff, they could have been duplicates. Tulpas created by Debbie after she'd read Thomas's notes.
There's a good chance Thomas, in 1500's, was buried in or near meadow cottage. There's a concept called "Ghost of the Bones" a low consciousness entity left behind in a chaotic state of existence which is attached to the bones-You can learn more about this by studying the cult of the dead which some primitves still practice around the world.

As for 2109, theres a myraid of different entities in the subtle/noetic world. Malefic, benevolent etc. You can know what type they are by their effects. So the more powerful they are, the more they can do, rather than play silly games and taunt.
The poltergeist in the story, remember it was throwing things around, causing a havok and stuff. And 2109 claimed it doesn't have a consciousness as such. That's 100% true. a poltergiest is a perfect exacmple of a low eentity in the noetic world, magicians often project a consciousness onto them and use the as tools.
A lot of what 2109 says about things is real occult knowledge. Especially the way they describe themselves...makes me think.
As for One, maybe he was a magician?
I know what I typed is hard to read, sorry about that!

a reply to: sputniksteve

Since DrWolfgang posted and put the thread back in my subscribed list I wanted to ask how things are going for you. I reckon it's been long enough since you wrote that last post of yours for life to take a few new turns on you and I'd like to know if you still feel like you have the formula. I know for me at least, the only constant is that life changes direction on me on a regular basis. Ebb and flow... Things seem to be looking up and a few days later it looks like the end of the road. I'm getting used to it though, and now I pretty much just plod through life with my head down trying not to notice too much when things take a downturn.

Anyway, I hope things are good for you I wish you all the best.

a reply to: wtbengineer

HI Engi and everyone else.

In short, yes I do still believe I have the formula. There have been many obstacles I didn't and maybe couldn't have accounted for. Lot's of components I hadn't forseen.

Life has become incredibly busy and incredibly different to say the very least. I believe I started preparing for the changes I/we have been experiencing as a family for around a year now without knowing I was preparing for something. Thank god I began when I did, because I don't know that I would be able to handle it all otherwise. To some degree I can't rule out the idea that the preparation itself was the catalyst for the changes but hindsight should help with that I hope.

I can empathize with your description of lifes ebbs and flows, as I have been living day to day for the most part. One day the future looks bright and the next it is crisis. I began it all with an overall vision and goal to be reached, and even in the crisis days I can still see that vision clearly and have confidence that I will reach the goal but it would certainly be nice if the journey there could go a little smoother lol. I am still confident that my goals are righteous, I am confident that I am mostly making the right decisions, I have been less reactionary than I have been previously in my life and trying to contemplate my decisions and actions adequately. I truly believe that I am doing the right thing. I hope that I can continue to believe that.

I certainly miss talking with all of you, sharing our ideas with each other. I like to think that I am on a sabbatical until I have the time in my life available to spend on this "project". Time has been valuable lately in a way that I never understood as a younger man. I wish I had a whole lot more of it. I have been reading in my free time rather than watching or listening to mindless banter for entertainment. I have been writing more than I ever have but all for private rather than public. Despite all that is going on, I feel good on a general level and am as happy as I can be, which is happier than most of my adult life.

I hope you all are doing well. Dr. Wolfgang I will contemplate your post more before I reply but am very happy to see you return and share your perspective with us.

Peace and love
Steve

a reply to: sputniksteve

Glad to hear you are doing so well! I understand not having the time to post much, I am busier than ever myself. Time - yes, time.... so valuable a commodity but it can't be bought. The older we become the more we realize that. I've been trying so hard not to waste any of it. But sometimes my own mind is my worst enemy! I think I'm getting better at it but some days I feel like I'm moving through water and can't get anywhere. Anyway, good to hear from you and will anxiously wait to see what you reply to DrWolfgang.

Hi All,

Just wanted to check in and see how people are doing. I have completely failed in my declaration to read over the recent replies and try to ponder them. While I have had a bit more free time lately I haven't spent it on less esoteric topics and discussions. I feel slightly guilty about it, but at the same time I am in a time of my life in which I need to be as grounded as possible, and I think we all know that to some degree spending too much time in the esoteric can lead to a bit of disarray in the ever day goings on. I haven't abandoned those topics and discussions but still just on sabbatical. The events happening in my life are on a personal level, and while I am not ready to put it all out there quite yet I am sure I will reach a point that I am willing to discuss and document. Not that anyone actually cares about the drama of my domestic life, but I think it will be helpful to me to share it with my friends and in self reflection. I really just don't want to be hasty in my sharing in a way that could be detrimental in the short term. The last 6 or so weeks have been some of the most stressful of my entire life, dealing with events and actions that are completely new to me. Managing relationships which have always been strained but now have gone way past that, and seem to give a new definition to strained. I am generally "proud" of the way I have handled most of it, but there have been times in which I wish I would have had a slightly different approach. It's just been really tough.

There is still a very bright light at the end of the tunnel, and I hope the tunnel isn't quite as long as it appears to be now. Hopefully it is an intellectual illusion, if I am lucky. Or if I make it that. Life will be going to back to somewhat of a normal thing in the next few weeks and I should have a bit more leeway in which to return to some of my regularly scheduled broadcasts to say. Even with all of the stress however, there have been some really positive things that have happened as well. Some of the things I am really excited to talk about, as I think I have been getting a bit of a glimpse into some aspects of this crazy thing we call "time" and the ways in which it doesn't always act in the way in which it appears. I hope this finds all of you well, and I want you all to know I really miss you and our conversations.

Dffrntkndnrml (or however its specifically spelled) I owe you at least a couple thread reviews, and it would've be prudent of me to check in with you. I am sorry to have just kind of shut down communication, it was disrespectful of me to just cease things as I did and I humbly apologize. I am sure you understand it wasn't anything personal or that I don't respect and value our talks.

With peace and love,
Steve

a reply to: sputniksteve

Hi, sputniksteve

Hopefully, you are doing well. No sweat, about getting back to me about some of the threads I was looking for your perspective on. I trust other areas of life have been a focus for you. I'm enjoying some time off, and look forward to hearing from you down the road. Thank you.

Peace and love,
dffrntkndfnml

Hi Steve and all contributors of Steve's Superthread.
Just checking in, first to say hi and I hope you are all well, grounded and enjoying the beautiful gift of life, whatever that may be in true reality.

I'm still working on the remote view project I mentioned earlier, but sadly as it involves many professional participants that must each be paid for their time, it's taking a little longer than expected for me to raise the funding, as a project of this nature and complexity apparently doesn't come cheap. Hopefully though, following a few Crypto investments, I should attain the sum required in approx 1-2 months.

Apart from that, I'm still trying to actively track down Debbie Oakes and a few of Kens former work colleagues, in the hope of obtaining a little more information/ corroboration of the events and to glean any additional data that may have been omitted from the book.

I would also really like to speak with Gary Rowe directly or via e-mail but despite numerous attempts to contact him via Facebook, I have not received a reply which is a great shame. I think my next step will be to attend one of his UFO presentations in North Wales, with the hope of getting to chat personally with him after the event.

I do believe that Gary's reference to numerology is a significant factor and so far it appears to be a little researched topic in this case.

I have a hard drive full of information and research regarding TVP but as there are a multitude of interlocking rabbit holes to investigate, it's sometimes quite difficult to pull all the information together into an easy to read, organised source/ re-source.
I can spend days/ weeks on one single line of investigation, only to accrue 20-30 other spin off lines of additional information, each of which requires it's own investigation and thorough analysis. The Canada link being just one example that springs to mind.

TVP is a strange book. Strange in the way that it draws one in, chews us up and spits us out, before drawing us back in again for another mauling.
Strange in the way that it always springs back into the mind when reading, learning or investigating other topics that on the surface seem unrelated, yet develop to appear firmly intertwined.
All consuming one minute, like an addictive substance - that we the addict eagerly consume, to the detriment of ourselves and all too often of our loved ones as we become inebriated by words in a book.

I find it best these days to allocate a strict amount of set time to this subject, rather like the time restrictions one may place on a child playing Fortnite or any other all consuming video game.

Despite my reservations and acknowledgements, I shall continue forward with my research but treat it more as a hobby than a self requirement.

One of the hardest parts of investigation, is trying to convince others of the merit and significance of finding Thomas's book. A book that may or may not exist in a fable that may or may not even be real, although I myself, suspect it is.

As a retired police officer, I have investigated and solved thousands of cases in my time, but this case is on a completely different level. The worst part for me, is the lack of witnesses who are willing to be interviewed or go on record. Sure, Debbie herself has commented on the odd forum here and there as has Gary, but as always, we only receive tiny snippets of information that could well be expanded upon, given an avenue of communication and the right investigative techniques.
I place Gary Rowe as one of the most credible witnesses, but his creditability accounts for little unless he is willing to speak, expand and assist in our endeavours to reach a conclusion.
Heck, I sometimes even question whether a conclusion is possible or what exactly I'm trying to prove or achieve.

Let's say the team of remote viewers conduct the R.V session on this event and say "yes, it was a real event, it did happen and there appears to be a document of sorts that proves this. The document appears to be sitting amongst other books in a vault or in a bookstore somewhere in the UK.
We would not still be in the same position we are today, standing before a needle in a giant nationwide sized haystack of book deposits.

I know I'm rambling a little today, writing this just before I go out to work (Should have left an hour ago), but once gain TVP gripped me this morning after a lengthy out of the blue dream, following which I felt compelled to visit our longstanding thread. Drawn in one again to the words of 2109 which for me are my enigma and the reason for my willing and at times unwilling perseverance.

Anywhooo, got that off my chest lol.

I hope you are all well. I don't even need to ask if anyone is still thinking about the book, because I know the answer.
The question is, is the book thinking about us?

Have a great day friends, catch you later.

a reply to: studio500

Hi Studio500, what a pleasant surprise to see you check back into the thread.

I was looking over my subscribed threads and saw your post here. Idk, if the individuals in the book are looking to get back involved with the story. A part of me figures that they may have come to terms with their experiences back then. It could be private.

I feel the numerology aspect is important, though I am more familiar with the Pythagorean system. Perhaps inroads there are best made in contemplating the questions and watching what your intuition brings to your attention.

Idk, what the Canada link is. I speculated on that before reading the book, iirc it was a misunderstanding or tangent that we looked at before the book was re-released.

I think of the book as a sort of parable, the novelty of the situation inviting further insights. I found it layered in meaning, and I believe that it makes one pause, to see time in a way most have not. It's sort of like a cookbook for ideas.

The RVing of the book sounds really cool. I don't know if the book will ever be found or what form it would take. I will never think of time the same way. Our explorations in this thread have changed my life. I had experimented with the topic before, but the back and forth with everyone participating in this thread has been priceless.


I feel a peace of mind now, I don't know what sorts of questions pique your curiosity. I'm down to share my opinions. Most of my thoughts remain the same before and after reading the book, with the exception of the clarity. Steve led us on an journey I never could have imagined.

I feel like he is doing well, but I wonder about some of the others who participated earlier on. Ideas of this scale can push people into unexpected places.

If the book is found, I feel it would help fill in some of the blanks. What little I read of Thomas, and what happened there I found very touching. Thomas strikes me as the kind of individual who would go to great care sharing his story. I feel even just the etymology and structure of his book would be awe-inspiring.

I got the impression it could be housed somewhere at Oxford. If the book were to be found, I feel it would be under unusual circumstances very random or through intuition. How does someone literally find a needle in a haystack?

I don't know about 2019, they seem somewhat nebulous. I haven't tried contacting them, nor want to. I feel they are a distraction, and avoid sending my awareness there.

The question you posed at the end is fair. Living books are a thing, typically religious texts. The old you get out, what you put in.

Have a wonderful day Studio.

i'm not sure what exactly to say, or to whom. i suppose i'll stick to my usual ambiguity.

i've spent more than all my free time over the last days pushing through this thread, and reached a point where i felt i could not put off replying any more, even though i still have over half the posts to wade through.

i expect to contribute a little once i'm caught up, but i do feel confident in saying this:
this is certainly more than a hoax, but all would do well to be wary.
particularly, leave out 2109 as much as possible (Sun-tsu agrees), and gary (let the poor man be).

steve:
i sincerely hope you are well. i can relate to you quite a bit. i want to encourage you, but not quite sure how. i've known some people, and seen some things, and believe you have a truly good heart.

i've essentially been yelling at you (all) for a couple days (not literally), the way one might while watching a movie, "yes! no! don't forget x! pay attention to y! look out for z!" -- which may seem silly, except...well, i don't believe in linear time, or that intentions are localized.

this thread is wild. like nothing i've ever seen. i may take the liberty of sending you a DM, but at least hear this;
stay grounded, focus on your child, keep the faith, you have done well. don't stop rockin'.
"The wise man ... sees all things in the light of direct intuition... seek the True Light!" (Chuang-tsu)

dffrntkndfnml and others:
first, i'd recommend focusing on the aspects of the book regarding the fabric of reality / inter-dimensional theory. have a quick duckduckgo search for "torus field" and "electric universe," see if anything strikes you.

as far as i've gotten in the thread, seems focus shifted heavily toward serialism...don't get stuck in it (at least, consider visualizing larger tNs as "deeper" instead of "higher"). i reckon time is more like a pool, or well. there is more or less some order, otherwise a sequence of communications would be naturally mixed up, events uncontrollably happening before their "cause," or previous state. but i consider space to be the relatively linear aspect, "holding" time in its fields. if that manages to make any sense. (not aware of any established theory that sufficiently compliments my understandiing.)

so far, i haven't seen any indication that canada holds much real significance beyond something only gary would recognise.

chaldean numerology is only similar to pythagorean on the surface; only by the thinnest of shells. if you intend to chase that angle, be prepared to dive deep in murky waters.

see what you can find about (if memory serves) the phoenix project, based out of long island.

and, i never looked into it much, but Hitler had some funny business going during ww2. last i paid attention, years ago, most of it was written off as rumour/conspiracy theory. but i doubt it was nothing. one German base in particular, as i recall, had a lot of electricity being pumped into it.

a reply to: FrothMethod

okay i've finished. and yeah, this thread is a trip. i have more to add i think, but. i feel it's actually rather important to say, steve but also the others; if you haven't read The Art of War, you should, asap (and probably before i go on).

hope all are well.

Fascinating story.

a reply to: sputniksteve

Hi, I’ve been coming back to this thread as a silent non-member for actual years!
Reading over several times and following most links provided by the long term contributors.
Thank you all for much entertainment and food for thought!
I’ve read the book (sometime after initially finding this thread) and it’s such a great mystery!

I found a new video with content relating to this subject and hoped it might entertain! Ultimately the content creator is more a skeptic but he outlines the events very well. Some nice location maps with voice over commentary and such and such.
Maybe a watch might reinvigorate some people on here to follow new leads?

youtu.be...

Sorry I’m a total noob on here so hopefully video links! Lol.
I’d bloody love it if the book was found!!!

Warmest regards to Steve and all the regulars!

Mike