Did Paul Invent Christianity?

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

I just read it today, I read it yesterday and I have read it everyday since I was saved in 1993.

You objectivity conveniently overlooks that both the counsel in Jerusalem and Paul remarks possibly recorded by Luke in Galatians, show they accepted the gospel Paul preached and understood its significant differences.

But Why are you answering a reply to Malocchino?

Are you Malocchino? Only deeply intimate people answer each others stuff.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Oh you figured out Paul?

Well that makes you greater than God because he couldn't preserve his word as promised and allowed a false gospel to be inserted and taught by Paul in your estimation.

I think not.

I think you have warped view of God and scriptures.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

I think you do, it is not coincidence that you and Malocchino have literally word for word quoted from one of three distinct web pages and numerous wordpress blogs (which could be you and Molocchino's pages as well).

I had decided to do a cut and paste from yours and his stuff here on ATS and found complete sentences and sections from some of those sites to be word for word. Which you both then pasted here at ATS under yours and Malocchino's various current and other ATS Accounts to which you both have been banned numerous times.

I also don't find that surprising that those quotes led me to three distinct webs sites and a few wordpress blogs.

a reply to: Malocchio

But I did and many see it and I did it with scriptures alone. No pseudo-interpreted nonsense from recluse monks and other RC writings. No Sophist renderings of mad men of the past. No extra-biblical writings that are not inspired nor preserved of God and from perverted Bible translations.

From BIBLE alone.

But you don't want Bible you want opinions of men above the words of God.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Oh you figured out Paul?

Well that makes you greater than God

I am going to show that Paul blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

First Mark 3:21-35

..., for people were saying, " He has gone out of his mind." And the scribes who came down from Jerusalem said, "He has Baalzebul, and by the ruler of demon he casts out demons." And he called them in and told them in a parable, "How can Satan cast out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom can not stand...

28. Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven for their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter; but whoever blasphemes the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of eternal sin"---

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit, the force used by Jesus to cast out demons, is saying that the works of the Holy Spirit are the work of Satan. That's the eternal sin.

2 Corinthians 11:14

And no wonder, even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is not strange if his ministers also describe themselves as ministers of righteousness.

Previously in 11:5 he talks derogatorily about the Apostles, sarcastically calling them super-apostles.

I think that I am not the least inferior to these super-apostles. I may be untrained in speech but I...

11:13

For such boasters are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as Apostles of Christ.

14 And no wonder! Even Satan....

I already typed this part. The point is Paul is defending his ministry from Corinthians 10 after Corinthians 9 where he mentions the collection for Jerusalem and after a car salesman like pitch about seed sowing and the receiver of gifts being a multiplier of seed he begins to defend his ministry.

There is no doubt that Paul is calling James and the Apostles ministers of Satan. I can't give this much information and take anything out of context it's plain as day for anyone to see.

And James and the Apostles are works of the Holy Spirit, James even communicates directly with the Spirit he is certainly a minister of righteousness as the Just is in Hebrew the Tsaddik meaning Righteous One and it was a holy title for certain men of extraordinary righteousness.

By calling the Apostles false apostles and ministers of Satan he is calling a work of the Holy Spirit a work of Satan.

And that is textbook blasphemy of the Spirit the eternal sin.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

I think you do, it is not coincidence that you and Malocchino have literally word for word quoted from one of three distinct web pages and numerous wordpress blogs (which could be you and Molocchino's pages as well).

I had decided to do a cut and paste from yours and his stuff here on ATS and found complete sentences and sections from some of those sites to be word for word. Which you both then pasted here at ATS under yours and Malocchino's various current and other ATS Accounts to which you both have been banned numerous times.

I also don't find that surprising that those quotes led me to three distinct webs sites and a few wordpress blogs.

Do you have any idea how silly that sounds?

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: ChesterJohn

Oh you figured out Paul?

Well that makes you greater than God

Lol. At least you're not being accused of being me.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

That's funny, I only used one website that I remember and it was about John's Epistles and I don't remember you quoting from it at all.

Chester is getting increasingly dishonest with his paranoid accusations to the point it's not annoying but hilarious!

originally posted by: Malocchio
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

That's funny, I only used one website that I remember and it was about John's Epistles and I don't remember you quoting from it at all.

Chester is getting increasingly dishonest with his paranoid accusations to the point it's not annoying but hilarious!

There are many, many sources on the web ( or from books) where people have exposed Paul.
But, you don't even need outside sources.... the Bible itself exposes Paul as a false apostle. That's where I saw it first. Finding other sources only showed me that there were others out there who had, as well. I guess anyone who see's Paul as false, is really the same person, lol.

Since websites regarding Paul the false apostle were mentioned I suppose I will link the 5 I found on page 1 of Google, I have read most of them and they are helpful.

www.justgivemethetruth.com...

false-apostle-paul-archive.blogspot.com...

www.lasttrumpet.org...

www.truthseekers.co.za...... s-of-the-false-apostle-paul

www.judaismvschristianity.com/paulthe.htm

By far not an exhaustive list, anyone can judge for their own based on the work of all 5 websites and don't need trust me, though I do consider myself trustworthy I don't expect anyone to on the Internet unless they are familiar as I am with the problem of Paul that has grown in the past years.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

But I did and many see it and I did it with scriptures alone. No pseudo-interpreted nonsense from recluse monks and other RC writings. No Sophist renderings of mad men of the past. No extra-biblical writings that are not inspired nor preserved of God and from perverted Bible translations.

"Sophist renderings" is sad rhetoric from a desperate man, not something I engaged in.

I also didn't pseudo interpret anything except that Paul was a Eunuch but I clearly stated it was a theory and not mine, I just thought it was hilarious and explained much.

Other than that I have been straight forward and nobody but you is making these claims because they are obviously false and not everyone wants to lie.

Subtract every extra Biblical source I cited, which is very few, then you are still in the same defeated situation with no business claiming to have accomplished anything because you haven't. Nothing.

You have helped me more than anything, prove that not only is Paul a false prophet but his followers are deceitful and dishonest to themselves and everyone else.

From BIBLE alone.

But you don't want Bible you want opinions of men above the words of God.

The only problem is you didn't do anything.

I have actually been using the Bible all along so why are you lying? I mentioned the Acts of Barnabas and maybe one other source but I am not apologizing for mentioning something, it's moot really, almost all my comments were straight from the Bible.

And your not acknowledging that everything I have said is in the Bible and that I have provided the location of or quoted directly from it in almost every comment I have made, and that is a lot of comments.

I don't know what you are claiming to have done but you have not done anything as far as redeeming Paul from the truth that he was a false prophet, that fact has been more than established and not one word of yours has put a dent in what I have done (or anyone else) in this thread in the way of proving that Paul was false and a deciever.

Not one word. The suggestion shows how truly detached from the truth you are, an honest man admits the truth even if he disagrees with a person he doesn't say things like ''you don't know the Bible" or "Don't understand" what I clearly do and you have repeatedly called me things like deciever and claimed I said things I never did.

You have convicted yourself of dishonesty and I don't think anyone can trust a man who is makes paranoid claims about two people who don't know each other being in cahoots because we know the same facts. As if only one person on earth knows Paul is a false prophet.

Also Chester, I have just proven that Paul blasphemed the Holy Spirit.

The eternal sin. I would like to see you explain that one away. Ironically only low grade sophistry could explain away calling the Apostles of Christ ministers of Satan, the Apostles being works of the Holy Spirit and certainly calling them that is giving Satan credit for the work of the Spirit.

Which is textbook blasphemy of the Spirit as I have already proven using the Bible as I have been all along, though you can't even admit that.

a reply to: Akragon

I love the pic Akragon.

a reply to: Malocchio

An opinionated twisted mess.

It proves nothing.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Stole it from another member a few years back...

Somehow i knew it would come in handy

a reply to: Akragon

Now that made me laugh

a reply to: Malocchio

Your Comments do not the Bible make.

You have done such a twist on 2 Corinthians 11 that is truly worthy of an Emmy. However I know what you have done as "sleight of men" Which is why I don't bite at your bait.

really you need to grow up

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

Your Comments do not the Bible make.

You have done such a twist on 2 Corinthians 11 that is truly worthy of an Emmy. However I know what you have done as "sleight of men" Which is why I don't bite at your bait.

really you need to grow up

Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Still can't get out of Paul's epistles can you, CJ?
Try (once again) defending Paul with Jesus.
Can you reconcile the two?

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Akragon

Now that made me laugh

Soooo....I have a question for you. Why is it you are laughing and joking with Akragon...who obviously believes Paul is a false apostle, yet you don't deride him or tell him he's someone he's not. Nor, do you tell him he doesn't know "the WORD OF GOD"?
Just curious.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

You have done such a twist on 2 Corinthians 11 that is truly worthy of an Emmy. However I know what you have done as "sleight of men" Which is why I don't bite at your bait.

2 Corinthians 11New International Version (NIV)

Paul and the False Apostles

11 I hope you will put up with me in a little foolishness. Yes, please put up with me! 2 I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy. I promised you to one husband, to Christ, so that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.

5 I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”[a] 6 I may indeed be untrained as a speaker, but I do have knowledge. We have made this perfectly clear to you in every way. 7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. 10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows I do!

12 And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about. 13 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

So, WHO pray tell....were the "super apostles" Paul was speaking about??? (this ought to be interesting).



OH WAIT!!! I just thought of something else!!
Didn't PAUL say himself, in 1 Corinthians "Love is patient, love is kind and IS NOT JEALOUS; love does not brag and is not arrogant,"

OH MY GOODNESS......Paul just contradicted HIMSELF. Because LOVE isn't JEALOUS.
Wait, let me quote Paul again in SECOND Corinthians....."I am JEALOUS for you with a GODLY JEALOUSY".
Huh....so which is it?? Is love jealous? Or is it not?


Oh...forgot something else (Paul just can't seem to quit hanging himself).....did you notice that in 1st Corinthians (you know, the LOVE VERSES)....he say's love does not BRAG AND IS NOT ARROGANT.
So, how does Paul get away with bragging and being arrogant...when he says (HIMSELF, ,mind you), that love doesn't do those things?
Paul can't seem to keep his own doctrine straight.