Did Paul Invent Christianity?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Now you're talking gibberish and foolishness.

Good bye ChesterJohn, I don't deal with bs negativity so we're done.

a reply to: Malocchio

we'll see how long that lasts

a reply to: Malocchio

You see how unstable you are in all your ways.

In one post you say Paul ate Idol meat or meat sacrificed to Idols then in another you post no one did and that Paul made it all up.

James 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

We know someone did or Paul wouldn't have addressed it.

We don't know who it is because that would be on God's part to do so through inspiration.

The counsel in Jerusalem says only that they would do well to not eat that which is scarified to idols an that would include oranges and apples s well as wheat corn and okra. Seeing the word meat in the preserved word of God also means grains, fruit and vegetables as well.

Genesis 1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

See how unfamiliar you are with the preserved word of God. Yet you stand in judgement of it without even knowing it.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: MalocchioHow does matrixsurvivor even know you have notes unless you two personally know each other if that is true then you both are consorting to pervade ATS with this doctrine and proves you are Gnosisisfaith.

That is so utterly ridiculous. Is that all you can do? Try to turn everyone who see's through Paul and the demiurge, to being ONE person...gnosisfaith? That's reaching....and lame as heck.
I am a woman, a mother, and have come to these conclusions through study of my own. Malocchio is another person out there in the world who's also found similar things as I, regarding the Bible. There are tons more out there. All you have to do is google "paul-false apostle". You'll be reading for a loooooong time. Funny, that he's the only "apostle" who has pages and pages of information on him, showing that he's not legit. Not only that, but this issue has been around since the resurrection. Seems there were several sects of Jews who saw right through Paul. One of our founding fathers (Thomas Jefferson) saw through Paul's BS, as well. There have been MANY people throughout history who have. Wonder why that is? Doesn't mean those people don't believe in God or Jesus....just means they see Paul for the lying creep he was.

This is no "new conspiracy", Chester. Oh, and this is a "CONSPIRACY in Relgions" forum. This is where people go when they have found errancy in the Bible, or any other type conspiracy they want to discuss.
If it bothers you so much....go hang out in the RELIGIOUS section. Jeez.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivoryou could be a fat man with your pipe hanging out your mouth as far as I know. I am not in your room to verify the truth of who you are.

But apparently you and Malocchino know each other personally because speaks to you about his notes as if you could verify them for us. Unless you do know him it is impossible

This thread should have been entitled "IT IS MY OPINION THAT PAUL CREATED CHRISTIANITY"

He has never proven with any bible text in their context that Paul created Christianity. It has been his opinion with a main stream of non biblical sources.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchioyeah only the fact that the same words even on this reply post are the exact same as gnosisifaith/daysend and all your other personas you have had. Same exact source for your materials same exact MO. right down to saying I am irrelavent to you exactly what many of your other account names said when I fought against your heresy then and now.

All I have done ins prove you are false teacher and a twister of the scriptures.

You haven't proved anything. Malocchio has.. very well I might add, and he used scripture alone to do so.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivormalocchino only proved he knows not the scriptures, he has strong opinions and that he is unstable in his posting.

And besides it was Akragon who started this thread not Malocchino.

I almost spit up by coffee n that last comment.

He used scriptures, as you, did out of context, and from perverted version which will prove his view. JW's and Mormons do that as well it is a cult thing.

And he used opinions and out side sources of men more than scriptures.

So please don't make me laugh, I want to enjoy my coffee

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

Again Your Opinion and not fact. Try quoting the AV or any version for that matter as your source of anyone including Paul ever ate meat offered to and Idol. It is always an opinion that some once did it because Paul addresses the issue. But no real proof Paul or Peter did it.

You are using deflection from the obvious.... Paul taught it was acceptable to eat idol meat....James and Jesus BOTH are recorded in scripture saying it's not acceptable.... ever. The issue is not whether Paul ate meat sacrificed to an idol, the issue is Paul taught it was ACCEPTABLE. You have no response to the obvious, so you are going down rabbit trails.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

are you sure your not Malocchino because you use the exact same stuff and words. Ah I get it you are boyfriend and girlfriend that is the only answer.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

no that is not the teaching of 1Cor you better go back and see what the main reason for the teaching was and it had nothing to do with eating idol meat.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivoryou could be a fat man with your pipe hanging out your mouth as far as I know. I am not in your room to verify the truth of who you are.

But apparently you and Malocchino know each other personally because speaks to you about his notes as if you could verify them for us. Unless you do know him it is impossible

Lolol.....ok. Well, I was being honest, but whatever, man.
Chester, you need to read Malocchio's posts better....and mine as well.
Neither of us accused Paul of eating idol meat (though I did say he PROBABLY did). That's really not the issue. The ISSUE is Paul's teaching on eating meat sacrificed to idols and how he straight up contradicts JESUS, man!
Refute that!

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

are you sure your not Malocchino because you use the exact same stuff and words. Ah I get it you are boyfriend and girlfriend that is the only answer.

Oh my gosh!! You are truly getting desperate. (Cracking up over here).
I'm actually at an Urgent Care clinic right now with my 16 year old son who injured himself at work. I am typing on my phone, and last I checked.... I have the anatomy of a female, I weigh 105 and I definitely don't smoke a pipe. Lolol!
Chill man.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

no that is not the teaching of 1Cor you better go back and see what the main reason for the teaching was and it had nothing to do with eating idol meat.

I think it's you who needs to go back and read. Paul speaks about it other places. That was the FIRST thing I pegged him on, at 23 years old....after being filled with HS. I saw Paul's contradiction of Jesus regarding this issue. Go read Rev. man..
Listen to Jesus for a change.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivormalocchino only proved he knows not the scriptures, he has strong opinions and that he is unstable in his posting.

And besides it was Akragon who started this thread not Malocchino.

I almost spit up by coffee n that last comment.

He used scriptures, as you, did out of context, and from perverted version which will prove his view. JW's and Mormons do that as well it is a cult thing.

And he used opinions and out side sources of men more than scriptures.

So please don't make me laugh, I want to enjoy my coffee

Well, for goodness sakes, don't choke.
Do you even have a clue HOW MANY people there are ( not only on ATS), but in the world of Christendom.... who have realized Paul is a false apostle?
Like I said....you are afraid to go outside that religious box and actually investigate WHY that is.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

I read the words of Him who is Reverend and Holy in the very Bible you despise. Not from anyone who steals God's title for themselves or from men who want me to call them father, or from Monastic monks who don't know anything but how to meditate on the paps of Mary.

And Paul have been dead for over 20 year by the time the Book of Revelation was written

Well lets see how many people have fallen for cults like yours and Malocchino's, millions that doesn't make them right

a reply to: Matrixsurvivormy point is I don't have any way of verifying anything you say about yourself is true.

So you could be anyone pretending to be another.

But what is clear is you are a cultist.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

I read the words of Him who is Reverend and Holy in the very Bible you despise. Not from anyone who steals God's title for themselves or from men who want me to call them father, or from Monastic monks who don't know anything but how to meditate on the paps of Mary.

And Paul have been dead for over 20 year by the time the Book of Revelation was written

Well lets see how many people have fallen for cults like yours and Malocchino's, millions that doesn't make them right

You have much hate in ya there, bro. That's what happens to those who allow Paul's venom to poison them. There are good Catholics, good Mormons, JW'S....Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.
But, you wouldn't allow yourself to see that in them, because PAUL has truly poisoned the truth of Jesus' simple teachings....Love God and love others.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivormy point is I don't have any way of verifying anything you say about yourself is true.

So you could be anyone pretending to be another.

But what is clear is you are a cultist.

So, I'm guessing your definition of "cultist" is ANYONE who doesn't believe the Bible is "inerrant, inspired, and the HOLY word of God"?
Well, most " cultists" are extremely religious
Chester, I'm about as anti- religious and anti- religion as you can get.
Truthfully, I see CHRISTIANITY as a cult, these days....thus, my aversion to it.
But, keep slapping those labels on me....it's typical of Christianity.

Do you believe Thomas Jefferson was a cultist, too? Is it anyone who doesn't believe Paul was a true apostle?
Thomas Jefferson tore all the epistles of Paul from his Bible. He stuck with Jesus' words only.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

There are certain things all cults have 1) extra Biblical sources, 2) you have to be of their group or with them or your not save/going to heaven, 3) salvation is not by grace alone, 4) Jesus is not God, 5) Jesus did not die on the cross for anyone's sin. These are just a few of the cultist teachings.

Major cults are Mormons, JW's, British Israelism/worldside church of God, Roman Catholicism, Church of Christ/Inglesia ni Christo, and a few more. But they all hold to the three teaching I mentioned above.

You and Malocchino hold those teachings as seen through out this thread and in other threads since you join in just the last few months.