Did Paul Invent Christianity?

a reply to: Malocchio

No No no it is not irrelevant as a matter of fact it is very relevant to the point.

Why use a bible that you claim is corrupted as support for you opinions?

You would err not knowing the scriptures were true because you claim it is not preserved but corrupted

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

Same question, how do you know any of the Bible is true and recorded correctly if in fact you don't believe that God preserved his words to this generation?

Same answer, I am loyal to the Jerusalem Nazarene faction and reject Paul.

Keep asking how I know and other irrelevant questions , truthfully nobody knows if any of the Bible is historical legend or outright myth.

I am concerned with character, being a good and righteous person is my goal and what I take away from the lesson of the Bible.

Loyalty being key, and you are not loyal to Jesus if you believe Paul because it's equal to ignoring Jesus and basically makes you of the Evil One.

You just don't realize it because... I don't know why, it's baffling because you admit that Paul teaches a different (false) Gospel but don't care.

You have no share in Christ or the Kingdom of God.

a reply to: Malocchio

If no body knows then logically no one could trust it to be true and accurate about Jesus. Flat and simple.

As far as you know you could be loyal to the imaginations of men.

I know Paul teaches a different Gospel and not that Kingdom Gospel for Israel and those who were living peacefully with Israel's borders.

right division allows us to see the difference and why form who and when it applies.

But when Paul spoke on those who teach a different gospel he was talking about those including Peter that would attempt to preach the kingdom Gospel or any other gospel even from an angel that was prophesied in Rev 14

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

If no body knows then logically no one could trust it to be true and accurate about Jesus. Flat and simple.

Welcome to reality.

As far as you know you could be loyal to the imaginations of men.

That's you with Paul.

I know Paul teaches a different Gospel and not that Kingdom Gospel for Israel and those who were living peacefully with Israel's borders.

I am of that Kingdom of God Gospel, the True Gospel.

right division allows us to see the difference and why form who and when it applies.

But when Paul spoke on those who teach a different gospel he was talking about those including Peter that would attempt to preach the kingdom Gospel or any other gospel even from an angel that was prophesied in Rev 14

''Right division" is a figment of your imagination based off an improperly translated verse.

"Division" is correctly ''interpret" and you base a false doctrine of a mistranslation from the writings of a false prophet.

I am happy with my Kingdom of God and having the Blessings of the Holy Spirit.

a reply to: Malocchio

Yeah that is why God preserved it in his word to rightly divide. If don't do it and you will never know the truth.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

Yeah that is why God preserved it in his word to rightly divide don't do it and you will never know the truth.

Do you think that statement has any value to it?

I have proven Paul is a false prophet.

I challenge you to go to any point I have made an offer a scholarly rebuttal vs your usual worthless rhetoric that takes up space and serves no other purpose but to put down anyone who has a greater knowledge than you, like you are jealous and proud of it.

Pick a comment, try and disprove what has been proven.

a reply to: Malocchio

no you haven't.

all you have shown is you are a pretty good twister of scriptures.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

no you haven't.

all you have shown is you are a pretty good twister of scriptures.

I guess you are not going to accept my challenge and continue stating your opinion instead.

I am more than satisfied that I have proven that Paul is a false prophet without ''twisting" a thing.

On that note, if you won't accept my challenge and just want to say "no you didn't" I see no reason to continue this discussion.

a reply to: Malocchio

Look there is no challenge when the verse you use are out of context and twisted to your opinion. when it comes to that I wont play your game.

I pointed out three or more times with scriptures that your opinionated claims were false and that has not changed.

As a matter of fact, if you don't believe the Bible is preserved of God then you have no leg to stand on, because you prove just as much that you are in error by non belief in God's power to preserve his words.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Malocchio

Look there is no challenge when the verse you use are out of context and twisted to your opinion. when it comes to that I wont play your game.

I pointed out three or more times with scriptures that your opinionated claims were false and that has not changed.

Prove it. think you are imagining things.

Name one false thing I said. You who can't recognize truth for truth and makes statements that have no truth in them, yet everyone else is lying but you.

You are a true hypocrite.

Everything you say is accusatory but you never provide substantiation, you just say people are wrong and think that you are actually providing evidence buy just saying things that aren't even true.

The challenge stands, if you are right and I wrong and you are so knowledgeable it should be easy to refute me.

Other than claims to have done so you have done nothing but talk isht about everyone and make up conspiracy theories.

Nobody is ever going to take you seriously no matter how much you delude yourself.

Here is how you know you have bested a Paulianna Curstian:

They accuse you of ''twisting scripture"

"Taking out of context.''

" That's opinion, not fact." (nothing in religion is absolute fact).

"You don't understand the Bible."

And the ever popular ''you are a deciever."

Has a more lying religion ever existed than Catholicism and Christianity?

Absolutely not. Christianity is full of con men who lie with no guilt and demand that everyone accept Christ as God, though for three centuries he was just the Messiah.

Televangelists preaching hellfire and propaganda against Islam and every religion that isn't theirs.

They have a drive to convert called evangelizing that entraps people in a system of spiritual slavery in the name of Christ.

They are heavy on insults, criticism and judgement, light on knowledge and facts.

I could go on and on about how despicable mainstream fundamental Pauline Christianity is but I will just say one more thing:

Creflo Dollar.

One organization on earth has done more to destroy and falsify history perpetrating a scam that has never been equalled, paralleled or even approached.

The Old Testament God or Gods, Elohim, Yahweh, El Shaddai, El Elyon and El...a lot of things, with the exception of El Elyon, was a/were evil murderous and demonic.

From the moment the Bible opens man is to blame for being deceived by a more intelligent creature that God placed in the Garden of Eden specifically so Adam and Eve would fall, they never had a chance.

God rejects Cain for no reason and with 4 people on record we have the first murderer, also forseen and overseen by an Omnipotent God who has shady tendencies and is a sadistic potentate.

He removes Adam and Eve from Paradise and revoked their immortality because of a plan he hatched.

Later the Sons of Elohim invade, occupy and wreak havoc on earth making demigod like giants called Nephilim. For their deeds man is nearly wiped out.

Infanticidal, homicidal, genocidal, tyrannical and vindictive beyond comprehension often commanding wholesale slaughter this Yahweh Elohim is an evil King or Caesar with the benefit of absolute power over all things.

The Jews were a proud people and truly not the warlike people of Joshua like conquests they appreciated wisdom and righteousness and during the Persian epic they flourished and adopted customs foreign to the Babylonian Jews returning from a highly polytheistic culture after being a polytheistic culture and decided that one God was all powerful and the Sons of God were considered messengers or angels and they developed a hierarchy of angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, Ophanim and the demons as well developed identies in Enochian scripture as the dead Nephilim souls and you have the Irim/Grigori Watchers who some became fallen and identical with the Sons of God of Genesis.

And then to make everything right for mans, by comparison to Yahweh, pity sins God decided to have his Son killed as a sacrifice like a goat but crucified for being sinless.

Goats were used as sacrifices on the day of atonement, one for Azazel was led out to the desert and either released or in Rabbinical tradition pushed off a cliff but in the Bible they release him in the desert.

This is why Jesus Barabbas was set free, to mimick the ritual of atonement. Releasing a prisoner was not Jewish tradition at all it was a goat but it was done to match the atonement ritual in the Old Testament Day of Atonement that cleansed Israels sins and turned a cut red string tied to the goat and held by the priest from red to white in Rabbinical tradition and maybe the OT but it's the meaning behind the "White as snow" metaphor Jesus uses for sins.

The Gospels actually don't say Jesus sacrifice is a sin offering once and for all Paul invented this theology and the New Testament was made to showcase that theology and the cancellation of Mosaic law and any chance of ''salvation" unless you believe that Christ died for your sins.

The Apostles were marginalized and Paul was jammed into the story with a satirical tale in Acts of the Apostles, which is the Acts of Paul and for the attentive reader a joke revealing the hypocrisy of Paul in his later writings that are sometimes polemical against the Jerusalem faction with subtle and not subtle accusations climaxing when he compares them to Satan and calls them false Apostles.

This fact is ignored and has been for 2000 years as liar after liar quotes the "angels of light" Satan quote without mentioning it is the Apostles of Christ, the arch Apostles who "what they were means nothing..." to Paul as they "added nothing to" him regarding his Gospel.

But Christ died as a human/God sacrifice that magically covers believers sins and is the only thing that can assure you don't go to hell.

And anyone who believes this gets to go to Heaven.

Greatest scam ever as Christianity=💲💲💰💰💰💵💵💶💴💴 and well behaved drones who smile 24/7 but are miserable and do what they are told.

Or Jesuit assassins.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I know Paul teaches a different Gospel and not that Kingdom Gospel for Israel and those who were living peacefully with Israel's borders.

Then, why did Jesus tell His disciples to take HIS message (meaning Jesus') to the WHOLE WORLD?
Who taught you that the Kingdom gospel was only for Israel? It couldn't have been from Jesus...cause He said it was for everyone.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

As a matter of fact, if you don't believe the Bible is preserved of God then you have no leg to stand on, because you prove just as much that you are in error by non belief in God's power to preserve his words.

Why would "god" put so much "power" into preserving a book....yet, didn't preserve the book or keep it from being corrupted by "men" writing different versions of the bible?
You never have stated which "version" is the correct, "unblemished" one. Guess everyone needs to go out and get your suggested version, so they aren't confused or led astray anymore.

originally posted by: Malocchio

Here is how you know you have bested a Paulianna Curstian:

They accuse you of ''twisting scripture"

"Taking out of context.''

" That's opinion, not fact." (nothing in religion is absolute fact).

"You don't understand the Bible."

And the ever popular ''you are a deciever."

Has a more lying religion ever existed than Catholicism and Christianity?

Absolutely not. Christianity is full of con men who lie with no guilt and demand that everyone accept Christ as God, though for three centuries he was just the Messiah.

Televangelists preaching hellfire and propaganda against Islam and every religion that isn't theirs.

They have a drive to convert called evangelizing that entraps people in a system of spiritual slavery in the name of Christ.

They are heavy on insults, criticism and judgement, light on knowledge and facts.

I could go on and on about how despicable mainstream fundamental Pauline Christianity is but I will just say one more thing:

Creflo Dollar.

I was going to yell "Amen!", lol.....but I think I'll change it to "right on!".

originally posted by: Malocchio


One organization on earth has done more to destroy and falsify history perpetrating a scam that has never been equalled, paralleled or even approached.

The Old Testament God or Gods, Elohim, Yahweh, El Shaddai, El Elyon and El...a lot of things, with the exception of El Elyon, was a/were evil murderous and demonic.

From the moment the Bible opens man is to blame for being deceived by a more intelligent creature that God placed in the Garden of Eden specifically so Adam and Eve would fall, they never had a chance.

God rejects Cain for no reason and with 4 people on record we have the first murderer, also forseen and overseen by an Omnipotent God who has shady tendencies and is a sadistic potentate.

He removes Adam and Eve from Paradise and revoked their immortality because of a plan he hatched.

Later the Sons of Elohim invade, occupy and wreak havoc on earth making demigod like giants called Nephilim. For their deeds man is nearly wiped out.

Infanticidal, homicidal, genocidal, tyrannical and vindictive beyond comprehension often commanding wholesale slaughter this Yahweh Elohim is an evil King or Caesar with the benefit of absolute power over all things.

The Jews were a proud people and truly not the warlike people of Joshua like conquests they appreciated wisdom and righteousness and during the Persian epic they flourished and adopted customs foreign to the Babylonian Jews returning from a highly polytheistic culture after being a polytheistic culture and decided that one God was all powerful and the Sons of God were considered messengers or angels and they developed a hierarchy of angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, Ophanim and the demons as well developed identies in Enochian scripture as the dead Nephilim souls and you have the Irim/Grigori Watchers who some became fallen and identical with the Sons of God of Genesis.

And then to make everything right for mans, by comparison to Yahweh, pity sins God decided to have his Son killed as a sacrifice like a goat but crucified for being sinless.

Goats were used as sacrifices on the day of atonement, one for Azazel was led out to the desert and either released or in Rabbinical tradition pushed off a cliff but in the Bible they release him in the desert.

This is why Jesus Barabbas was set free, to mimick the ritual of atonement. Releasing a prisoner was not Jewish tradition at all it was a goat but it was done to match the atonement ritual in the Old Testament Day of Atonement that cleansed Israels sins and turned a cut red string tied to the goat and held by the priest from red to white in Rabbinical tradition and maybe the OT but it's the meaning behind the "White as snow" metaphor Jesus uses for sins.

The Gospels actually don't say Jesus sacrifice is a sin offering once and for all Paul invented this theology and the New Testament was made to showcase that theology and the cancellation of Mosaic law and any chance of ''salvation" unless you believe that Christ died for your sins.

The Apostles were marginalized and Paul was jammed into the story with a satirical tale in Acts of the Apostles, which is the Acts of Paul and for the attentive reader a joke revealing the hypocrisy of Paul in his later writings that are sometimes polemical against the Jerusalem faction with subtle and not subtle accusations climaxing when he compares them to Satan and calls them false Apostles.

This fact is ignored and has been for 2000 years as liar after liar quotes the "angels of light" Satan quote without mentioning it is the Apostles of Christ, the arch Apostles who "what they were means nothing..." to Paul as they "added nothing to" him regarding his Gospel.

But Christ died as a human/God sacrifice that magically covers believers sins and is the only thing that can assure you don't go to hell.

And anyone who believes this gets to go to Heaven.

Greatest scam ever as Christianity=💲💲💰💰💰💵💵💶💴💴 and well behaved drones who smile 24/7 but are miserable and do what they are told.

Or Jesuit assassins.

Sir....I think that's the best damn summation of what's really going on with the Bible and Christianity, that I have ever read. Kudos to you!
(I think about all of this stuff while I'm working during the day...have time to, since I clean houses). So, just the past day or two, I thought to myself, "who is the accuser of mankind?" Well, most Christians will immediately tell you, "Satan!" Then, I thought....YHWH sure accused mankind constantly.
Next thing I thought of...."who brags about owning all the kingdoms of this world?"...even tempting Jesus to bow down before him and he would give it all to him. Once again...that answer would be Satan (to Christians). Well, YHWH sure brags in the Bible at owning it ALL...and demands obedience, "lest these curses come upon you". Yea, YHWH sure liked to curse people who didn't bow down and serve him. He demanded love and obedience, but also threatens you if you don't acquiesce. Doesn't sound too loving of a god to me. There were rules, rules, and more rules. Animals were sacrificed...innocent animals who can't really take away anyone's "sin". That's moronic. It 'just shows a blood thirsty deity. Women were considered "less" than men and treated as chattel. Those with deformities or anything wrong with them, were considered "unworthy".
So, I thought, "wow...YHWH (or whoever this deity is...I'm sure he goes by other names, as you have pointed out)....is the "god of this world"...but not a good god....and definitely not the Father that Jesus revealed to everyone.)

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

It is more than a book it is his words to which he placed a promise in psalm 12:6,7 to preserve those words.

It is up to us to find it.

yet you still show your unbelief. He did preserve it but your mind cannot receive it.

Your false teaching about Paul will not dissuade me from my faith in Jesus Christ my Lord, my God and my Saviour.

Psalm 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.
Matt 7:7 ¶ Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Roms 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

NO

God has preserved his words but they be that have an evil heart of unbelief they cannot find it nor belief that it is.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ROTFLMFO!!!!!!!

YOU THINK YOU BESTED ME! HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!

a reply to: Malocchio

I already proved as many as four times there are two to three witnesses of scripture that proved you were wrong. I showed the context of the sciptures you claimed supported your opinions and you failed. One of them was the baptism of fire you so eagerly seek to have, the other was the 12 disciples were representatives of Israel while one was said to be a Canaanite. A real Jew would never let himself be called a Canaanite, just ask one. That Paul was the Beast when he bade no one to take the mark ever and that he was dead long before revelation was written.

It has been established by the witness your words are not true more than three times, and by the witness of two or three your words of falsehood have been established. the two or three witnesses has been around since Moses and it is still in affect. I will let the scriptures speak their witness against you. I need not speak any more on your errors. for those posts are here in this thread for anyone to read.

Mt 18:16 But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
2Co 13:1 ¶ This [is] the third [time] I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Your false teaching about Paul will not dissuade me from my faith in Jesus Christ my Lord, my God and my Saviour.

NOPE. Saul (aka "Paul") is your "lord and savior". You wouldn't know what Jesus taught if it bit you in the behind.
Quote "Your Savior"...you know...the one who spoke in the gospels. (instead of Paul....and that ONE dang verse from the Psalms that you are hanging onto for all your life is worth)