Did Paul Invent Christianity?

a reply to: RudeCherub

the consuming fire consumes all that is not pure or righteous. that is why god's presence could instantly kill any man who came into it with the proper sacrifice. Now we can come into the holy of Holy because of what Jesus did for us we come in by him. No man come unto the father except through him.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Here is my ministry given me by Christ.

2Co 5:16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

The context was they were ashamed of his chains that is he was in prison. They were embarrassed to have their teacher in prison. Men look on the outward but upon the heart. Men will fear being shamed than confess the truth just as these in Asia did turning from Paul because of his chains.

let's look at the context (the old fundie term you love to hate).

2Ti 1:15 ¶ This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.
16 The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain:
17 But, when he was in Rome, he sought me out very diligently, and found me.
18 The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou knowest very well.

Onesiphorus a man form Asia (Turkey today) was not ashamed while al the others were. Oh no it can't be! Ephesus is mentioned here and Onesiphorus is mentioned in the context as ministering top paul not just in Rome but in Ephesus too. So Ephesus may be in Asia they did not turn from him because Onesiphorus is a minister there on the people behalf to Paul.

Context context context. You once again took a verse out of context to prove Ephesus but a representative of Ephesus was ministering to Paul in Prison, which proved they did not reject him as you claim.

You either err to knowing the scriptures or you knowingly are taking things out of context to teach a false doctrine.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: RudeCherub

the consuming fire consumes all that is not pure or righteous. that is why god's presence could instantly kill any man who came into it with the proper sacrifice. Now we can come into the holy of Holy because of what Jesus did for us we come in by him. No man come unto the father except through him.

Really? So what about all those people before Jesus, who encountered the Creator? I'm thinking Native Americans.. and I'm sure many others. I encountered God Waaay before I knew Jesus. The whole "He's too Holy" premise is BS.
That's total Pauline doctrine. The True God has shown Himself to many throughout the centuries of our existence.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Here is my ministry given me by Christ.

2Co 5:16 ¶ Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Your Savoir is Paul. You use Paul ONLY to explain your "salvation". Can you even tell me what Jesus taught?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

Context context context. You once again took a verse out of context to prove Ephesus but a representative of Ephesus was ministering to Paul in Prison, which proved they did not reject him as you claim.

So, one guy out of how many stayed by Paul's side? Well, he was just as deceived as the rest of modern day Christians.
Guess the rest of them weren't filled with the Holy Ghost.

You still haven't addressed whom Jesus was referring to in Rev. 2:2, when He commended the Ephesians for rejecting a false apostle....um, do you know of any other self proclaimed apostles who preached in Ephesus? Just wondering.

The Book of Acts is a fascinating account.

On one hand a work guided by Rome to attach Paul to the 12 Apostles and at the same time convicting him of multiple frauds including his "revelations."

"Luke" makes damn sure to mention that Peter was the Apostle to the people chosen by God and that Paul was punished for anti Jewish teachings and submitted to it knowing it means acknowledging guilt.

He gives what must be deliberate alternate conflicting accounts of the Damascus road story. He makes sure everyone knows that Paul's companions never testified to the story and I don't think they have names.

Sets up Paul for when he ok's the eating of idol meat against edict of the Holy Spirit. That he relies on Caesar not Christ to save him.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Then like today many could not travel freely about because of money issues.

But the scripture is clear Ephesus did no turn their back on him as they sent Onesiphorus to minister to Paul and he diligently searched him out.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

No my Saviour is Jesus Christ whom was preach of by Paul in scriptures as the one who died for me, by whose blood I am forgiven, Justified, and by it I have his righteousness imputed unto me.

opps!

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: RudeCherub

the consuming fire consumes all that is not pure or righteous. that is why god's presence could instantly kill any man who came into it with the proper sacrifice. Now we can come into the holy of Holy because of what Jesus did for us we come in by him. No man come unto the father except through him.

Really? So what about all those people before Jesus, who encountered the Creator? I'm thinking Native Americans.. and I'm sure many others. I encountered God Waaay before I knew Jesus. The whole "He's too Holy" premise is BS.
That's total Pauline doctrine. The True God has shown Himself to many throughout the centuries of our existence.

have you not read.

Roms 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )

So in the day that they are resurrected they will answer by what they knew God shall be their judge not you or me.

originally posted by: Malocchio

The Book of Acts is a fascinating account.

On one hand a work guided by Rome to attach Paul to the 12 Apostles and at the same time convicting him of multiple frauds including his "revelations."

"Luke" makes damn sure to mention that Peter was the Apostle to the people chosen by God and that Paul was punished for anti Jewish teachings and submitted to it knowing it means acknowledging guilt.

He gives what must be deliberate alternate conflicting accounts of the Damascus road story. He makes sure everyone knows that Paul's companions never testified to the story and I don't think they have names.

Sets up Paul for when he ok's the eating of idol meat against edict of the Holy Spirit. That he relies on Caesar not Christ to save him.

So true. What baffles me is how so many are duped by Paul. Do you know what I've realized? There are TWO spirits at work in the Bible...one of truth and one of lies. If you are filled by the spirit that represents Paul, you literally can't see it. It's a blindness that is supernatural. Same with being filled with the TRUE spirit of the Ruach Qodesh...SHE shows you truth. But, the Bible is mixed with both. So, either you are listening to the true Spirit, or a false one. Both have power....it's just that the True one has more. The enemy of Christians isn't "Satan" or those in the world or even the world, it's Christianity itself. It's the "deception". I used to think it was the alien agenda or the Nephilim...but, it's even more profound and obscure than that. It's RELIGION. Which is exactly what Christianity is. Jesus never taught "doctrine".
He taught how to BE RIGHT in this screwed up world. He even showed that there were already those who WERE RIGHT....or righteous. He didn't come to rescue them, He came to rescue those who were still entrapped in the lies and darkness.....which would be most the world, and especially the Israelites who were listening to the corrupt priesthood and following YHWH. Jesus contradicted YHWH all the time. He ticked the religious rulers off (which is what we do, when outing Paul). The truth will always have those who try to shut it up and kill it off.
I bet if Jesus showed up today, and taught as He did back then, most of Christendom would reject Him. We may not crucify people today, but we sure can treat them like crap.
All I've ever wanted is truth. Maybe that's why God gave it to me.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn

originally posted by: Matrixsurvivor
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: RudeCherub

the consuming fire consumes all that is not pure or righteous. that is why god's presence could instantly kill any man who came into it with the proper sacrifice. Now we can come into the holy of Holy because of what Jesus did for us we come in by him. No man come unto the father except through him.

Really? So what about all those people before Jesus, who encountered the Creator? I'm thinking Native Americans.. and I'm sure many others. I encountered God Waaay before I knew Jesus. The whole "He's too Holy" premise is BS.
That's total Pauline doctrine. The True God has shown Himself to many throughout the centuries of our existence.

have you not read.

Roms 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; )

So in the day that they are resurrected they will answer by what they knew God shall be their judge not you or me.

Seriously Chester....your answers are ALWAYS Paul's. Can you for ONCE use Jesus....you know, the One you claim to follow.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

No my Saviour is Jesus Christ whom was preach of by Paul in scriptures as the one who died for me, by whose blood I am forgiven, Justified, and by it I have his righteousness imputed unto me.

That's not what Jesus taught. Do you even know what He taught??
SHOW you know.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Then like today many could not travel freely about because of money issues.

But the scripture is clear Ephesus did no turn their back on him as they sent Onesiphorus to minister to Paul and he diligently searched him out.

Oh, Ephesus did turn their back on him....Paul himself said they did in 2nd Timothy. So, ONE GUY is all of Ephesus??
Uh no. Not only that, but Jesus Himself commended those in Ephesus for outing a "false apostle".
You still haven't answered my question. WHO WOULD THAT BE??

oops

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

no he represented Ephesus. Like Paul represented the churches when they sent him with a gift to Jerusalem.

a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

Hi Matrixsurvivor, I was wondering what your take was on Revelation 2:4-6.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Matrixsurvivor

no he represented Ephesus. Like Paul represented the churches when they sent him with a gift to Jerusalem.

You aren't making sense, nor are you answering the questions I asked.
TELL ME, TELL EVERYONE what Jesus taught. That's it. Bottom line.