Christianity is a death cult

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Tangerine

well i think his disciples were present and wrote about him when he lived. since i think he was the son of cleopatra, i think the egyptians mentioned him, too. and because he traveled the silk route, the buddhists wrote about him, also.

Really? Which disciple wrote about Jesus and in what document dated when?

What Eyptians wrote about Jesus and in what document dated when?

What Buddhists wrote about Jesus and in what document dated when?

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: Tangerine

Scripture would dictate behavior and the judgement of that behavior....It is the measuring stick.

Windword is making broad generalizations about the motives behind peoples actions as if he has some insight beyond his bias which could be laid out before us to calculate effectiveness. We hear about the atrocities of a few groups and institutions but that hardly represents everyone. I suppose by that logic (Windwords, and yours) all Americans are evil people who only dream of building empires and killing Muslims and empowering corporations. We dont get media and the history books to focus on the positive effects of Christians worldwide but perhaps if we did it would shed more light on its effectiveness and consequences upon the world.

Windword wasn't talking about how Christians are supposed to behave according to the Bible. He was talking about how they do behave. I judge Christians by how the Christians I know and talk to IRL and online behave and what they say. They can't even agree on who is Christian.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Jesus had to die on the cross and be raised up again, for if He did not ascend into Heaven, The Holy Spirit would not be in this world and true Christianity would be non existent.
So we should be thankful for His sacrifice on the cross, as He Himself said, to this end He was born.
Praise the Lord

Your belief is not founded in fact. It's myth.

just out of curiosity, what makes you think so?

I'd be happy to answer that. Myths are stories about supernatural deities. Facts are based on testable evidence only. There is no testable evidence that Jesus ever lived, was crucified, or ascended to Heaven or that Heaven exists. There is no contemporaneous documentation (ie. historical evidence ) proving that Jesus ever lived. In other words, not one person who lived when Jesus allegedly lived wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living. Not one word of the Bible attributed to Jesus was written by anyone who lived when Jesus allegedly lived or who could have witnessed Jesus saying anything. I hope I answered your question.

There is no testable evidence for billions of people who lived but I assure you they did. Materialism and science can only accept what it can measure or detect. Theories in soft sciences are simply educated guesses and are constantly readjusted as new evidence is presented. This is a highly illogical presumption on your part.

You are arguing that Humpty Dumpty and Harry Potter and Frodo and Gandalf lived? I hate to shock you but historical evidence is contemporaneous documentation. Without it, it is impossible to prove that any single individual lived. There simply isn't any to prove that Jesus actually lived.

originally posted by: NihilistSanta

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NihilistSanta

Some like Akragon make cryptic statements about the bible with no real evidence.

LOL


They're only Cryptic to simpletons that don't use the brain God gave them...

You two are hilarious...

You say that yet everything you know was transmitted via someone else. I doubt you would have been able to intuit Christ message or Gods will without someone recording what happened and spreading the message. True the evidence for a creator is all around us but God knew that left to our own devices we would begin to spin off into conjectures that would become codified and be self serving because that is the nature of being in a fallen state. This is why he sent prophets and gave specific orders regarding the way people are to live.

What "evidence for a creator is all around us...?" Be specific.

Fallen state. LMAO. It's a religion that teaches people to be self-loathing and project that self-loathing onto others. Quite sick, actually.

originally posted by: vethumanbeing

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: windword

Why do we celebrate Christimas? Because it is an old Pagan holiday that wouldn't die! Christimas wasn't celebrated for Jesus' sake until very recently.

Wow! Never heard that before, THANKS! You so smart....

The actual date means little, it is the celebration that is important. Actually, it is not a "Pagan Holiday that wouldn't die", it was a way to align the winter solstice that pagans and others celebrated to a Christian celebration of Jesus' birth, the actual date of the 25th means little other than that, or do you assume that all Christians believe that the 25th is the actual day that Jesus was born.
SOoo what is your point?

Not sure about windword's probable response; but I would say taking the "Jesus" phenomenon (forget the actual Feb 3 Birth) and making it 'sound' or 'seem' pagan would do a lot to avert the unnecessary pageantry 'roman coliseum' gladiatric style killing of
Coptic Christians in the AD 300s.

Actual February 3 birth of whom? Surely not Jesus.

double post

a reply to: Xtrozero

Wow! Never heard that before, THANKS! You so smart....

The actual date means little, it is the celebration that is important. Actually, it is not a "Pagan Holiday that wouldn't die", it was a way to align the winter solstice that pagans and others celebrated to a Christian celebration of Jesus' birth, the actual date of the 25th means little other than that, or do you assume that all Christians believe that the 25th is the actual day that Jesus was born?

SOoo what is your point?

What's with the hostility?!! You asked:


originally posted by: windword

Religion was created because of the fear of death.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

What is Christmas? The birth of Jesus...

Yes, Christmas is a Pagan holiday that won't go away. It hardly, even with all the Christian festivities, celebrates the LIFE of Jesus.

As I said earlier in this thread:

"Even the supposed birth of Jesus Christ brought about the death of lord knows how many thousands of babies, according to the Bible. Harbinger of death, indeed the Angel of death. Jesus Christ even died on the Passover, the day that the Angel of Death killed all those innocent Egyptian babies after "God" hardened the heart of the Pharaoh."

Even Christmas heralds death.

Perhaps, you could make a positive contribution to the thread? For example, instead of snark you could post examples of how Christians DO celebrate the LIFE of Jesus (LIFE, you know, that thing that happens between birth and death) and are NOT all focused on his, and other's death.

a reply to: Klassified

If you had ever taken yourself into your WILL, your SOUL you may realize that suicide of IT is a far more dangerous and interesting proposition.

Something very weird and downright UNGODLY about the entire need for sacrifice, these systems can ONLY exist in a fallen state, the WHOLE ENTIRETY of this GOD is FALLEN.

It has an end, and it needs the death of others and strange energy fields to remain.

It will be VANQUISHED.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

The loopholes are far more complex than you may know.

In fact delving into "Loopholes" should raise your spidey senses into realizing we are not dealing with some ULTIMATE CREATOR, but by something that evolved long after physical reality came into being.

Though these beings are massively more advanced than we are, they have hit a stopping point, they have tried endlessly to recreate that which they think created them, and they cannot, and now we have the entire Universe and every dimension and form so hopelessly damaged that it only lives for its own delusions.

The Creators of this Universe are just as foolish as the religions here, they have no CLUE.

And they are not going to get one either.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Jesus had to die on the cross and be raised up again, for if He did not ascend into Heaven, The Holy Spirit would not be in this world and true Christianity would be non existent.
So we should be thankful for His sacrifice on the cross, as He Himself said, to this end He was born.
Praise the Lord

So first he had to descend into Hell, and then back to Earth, followed by a 30 day waiting period and then Ascend to Heaven to make it all work ????

What mechanisms exist that create the need for such a bizarre system ??

a reply to: Tangerine

Actually not all christians do the drinking of blood and the eating of flesh thing. thats those heretics in the catholic church and a few others.

ALso Science has not proved or disproved the existence of God yet SO to speak as if you know the answer is very self centered correct?

AS for what a christian is. They are belivers in the life and sacrifice of Jesus and the word of his Father God. SImple eh?

originally posted by: Tangerine
originally posted by: veteranhumanbeing

Xtrozero: why we celebrate Christimas? Because it is an old Pagan holiday that wouldn't die! Christimas wasn't celebrated for Jesus' sake until very recently.

VHB: Not sure about windword's probable response; but I would say taking the "Jesus" phenomenon (forget the actual Feb 3 Birth) and making it 'sound' or 'seem' pagan would do a lot to avert the unnecessary pageantry 'roman coliseum' gladiatric style killing of
Coptic Christians in the AD 300s.

Tangerine: Actual February 3 birth of whom? Surely not Jesus.

Yes, Jesus; that exact one! that Son of God which was born on February 3rd; 1 BC. He was a Pisces (understand the Zodiacal FISH symbolism); (do you not get the metaphor? Was a fishy fisher of fishermen).

a reply to: Tangerine

matthew, mark, luke and john. in the gospels, matthew, mark, luke and john. wrote in their lifetimes. not published till around AD 200.

jesus was esu (a title meaning he was the horus (son of god), the egyptian-greek jewish son of cleopatra and the last pharaoh of egypt. he was a descendant of king david via the ptolemy line of cleopatra. he was heir to the throne of israel and egypt, and technically, had julius caesar (his adoptive father) not been murdered, he would've been heir to the throne of rome as well (there's a bit of an argument on that one, however, which is later evidenced by octavian hunting him in an effort to kill any potential contender to the throne).

have you heard of the lost years of jesus?
reluctant-messenger.com...

originally posted by: windword
What's with the hostility?!! You asked:

Sorry for the snarkiness but the whole pagan thing has been rehashed 100 times to ad nauseam. It has also been a favorite point from those who are trying to look clever when debating religion, so ya the Christmas tree, Easter Bunny, eggs, Yule log, lighted candles etc we know...lol

Perhaps, you could make a positive contribution to the thread? For example, instead of snark you could post examples of how Christians DO celebrate the LIFE of Jesus (LIFE, you know, that thing that happens between birth and death) and are NOT all focused on his, and other's death.

Why? This sounds like something you are more interested in to determine if Christians live in fear of death or enjoy life.

you do know that by Son of God it was not meant to be refrenced in Egypt. ALso the"sun" aka halo dotn mean the actual sun. Why do people confuse this?

originally posted by: yuppa
you do know that by Son of God it was not meant to be refrenced in Egypt. ALso the"sun" aka halo dotn mean the actual sun. Why do people confuse this?

the horus was a virgin birth - the woman was not a virgin, necessarily, but rather, the woman was artificially inseminated by god. the idea would read the same, regardless of culture.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Sorry for the snarkiness but the whole pagan thing has been rehashed 100 times to ad nauseam. It has also been a favorite point from those who are trying to look clever when debating religion, so ya the Christmas tree, Easter Bunny, eggs, Yule log, lighted candles etc we know...lol

Forgiven. However, just because the subject has been "rehashed", that doesn't render its conjecture false.

Why? This sounds like something you are more interested in to determine if Christians live in fear of death or enjoy life.

I'm merely offering you the opportunity to prove me wrong.

There have been Christians in this thread that have presented their viewpoint, and how their worship doesn't affect their love of life. It's not my contention nor my determination to prove that ALL Christians worship death over life. But, Christianity's doctrine and dogma can lead one down that path, if they're so inclined, and it seems that many Christians are so inclined.

a reply to: yuppa

Jesus is a Judaized pagan sun god, Rome Hellenized the Judaic god in order to keep their empire afloat. Their pagan system was beginning to fail, so they synchronized their pagan gods with the Judaic god. It's much easier to control people who all believe in one god than people who believe in various gods.

What happened after Rome legalized their heretical religion? They forced it onto their people with death and torture, throwing pagans who refused to convert to the lions, crucifying them, and all other sorts of brutal executions. Were they acting in god's name while they committed genocide on their own people? After they legalized Christianity, their empire was restored as the Byzantine empire, one of the richest and most influential in history.

Cultural and religious diffusion, look them up. The Roman pantheon was a diffusion of the Greek pantheon. Jesus was a diffusion of the Judaic god. How did Rome stay in power for so long? By conquering other cultures then absorbing their religious and cultural systems into their own. It was no different with the earliest Christians, they conquered them then absorbed their teachings into their own version of monotheism. This is why Christian holidays are rife with pagan symbolism, it is why the NT is rife with pagan symbolism as well.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: yuppa

Jesus is a Judaized pagan sun god, Rome Hellenized the Judaic god in order to keep their empire afloat. Their pagan system was beginning to fail, so they synchronized their pagan gods with the Judaic god. It's much easier to control people who all believe in one god than people who believe in various gods.

What happened after Rome legalized their heretical religion? They forced it onto their people with death and torture, throwing pagans who refused to convert to the lions, crucifying them, and all other sorts of brutal executions. Were they acting in god's name while they committed genocide on their own people? After they legalized Christianity, their empire was restored as the Byzantine empire, one of the richest and most influential in history.

Cultural and religious diffusion, look them up. The Roman pantheon was a diffusion of the Greek pantheon. Jesus was a diffusion of the Judaic god. How did Rome stay in power for so long? By conquering other cultures then absorbing their religious and cultural systems into their own. It was no different with the earliest Christians, they conquered them then absorbed their teachings into their own version of monotheism. This is why Christian holidays are rife with pagan symbolism, it is why the NT is rife with pagan symbolism as well.

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Interesting info about mithraism getting switched with christianity

originally posted by: windword
It's not my contention nor my determination to prove that ALL Christians worship death over life. But, Christianity's doctrine and dogma can lead one down that path, if they're so inclined, and it seems that many Christians are so inclined.

Why do you say "many Christians are so inclined"? I would say that how a person lives their lives is a personal thing and whether they fear death or rejoice life is something deep within them. In my whole life I have never seen anyone try to use Christianity as a fear of death tool, or death cult scenario. I do agree there are fringe churches that may, but they are rather limited in their following.

Just like if one actually went to a Christmas mass one would not see/hear anything devoted to paganism. Another example is Halloween. My kids love Halloween, and so do I. They go get their candy and I setup a haunted house, lots of fun. Now I'm sure someone would suggest we were celebrating a Satanic/pagan holiday too, and I would say ,no we are having fun...nothing more nothing less.

I think in the end we would run out of days to do anything at all if we felt that any current event must not fall on a day of some ancient event.