Christianity is a death cult

a reply to: WeRpeons

I agree with you about politicians but this happens in all religions. It is called manipulation by using religious ideas to obtain earthly goals which is contrary to the Bibles and Christ teachings. Religious cults as you call them are not doing these things governments and corporations are and are all to happy for you to lay the blame on God and his message.

Looking at Christianity through the lens of archetypal literary criticism, Jesus becomes one of many manifestations of the rebirth archetype. His death simply can't be separated from his rebirth and hoisted up the flagpole - they are connected. Like a Phoenix.

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originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: windword

Christians do not fear death because Christ has already paid the price for that. Where is evidence that Christians fear death? A rejection of the world?

Then why do Christians advise others to "Pick up their cross and follow Jesus"?

Christ was offered the world and turned it down. He states where his kingdom is. We can not pass to that kingdom until death yet they are not out killing themselves en mass in some vain attempt to hurry things along. The world will be Christ according to his own plan and not a moment sooner.

After death. Then, there's the second death.

The deniers are the ones who fear death so they create ideas to reduce the penalty of death and non-belief to justify their ways and existence.

Religion was created because of the fear of death.

Christ life is celebrated to say so is intellectually dishonest.

Really? I have yet to see Christians celebrating Jesus' life, or life in general. All I see is them celebrating death.

We are to be humble and love others not life, death, or the world. More baseless conjecture and projections.

^^^^What an empty and meaningless statement.

originally posted by: windword

Religion was created because of the fear of death.

World religion, as a single unit, is rooted in and evolved from primordial shamanism. Shamanism wasn't created because of fear of death. It is a reaction to entheogen ingestion.

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a reply to: windword

Your entire post is devoid of anything resembling fact. You provide no scripture or evidence of any kind to explain your opinion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it but because you don't see something (Christians celebrating the life of Christ) does not make it false. AS if you can see into the hearts and minds of all Christians. This is just an extremely biased opinion that you have posted. It is what it is.

a reply to: windword

The cross represents the suffering we will undergo in this life. We all have our challenges and how we carry them and respond determines who we will be.

As for religion being created because of fear of death ... Heck, half the things the non-religious do are out of fear of death - eat this, don't eat that, exercise so much but only in this way, etc. All those things are done in the attempt to prolong life. Who has a fear of death?

I don't fear death. I will go on. Consequently, I can at least enjoy my life rather than be miserable trying to eek out every last second of it in this body.

Jesus had to die on the cross and be raised up again, for if He did not ascend into Heaven, The Holy Spirit would not be in this world and true Christianity would be non existent.
So we should be thankful for His sacrifice on the cross, as He Himself said, to this end He was born.
Praise the Lord

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Some like Akragon make cryptic statements about the bible with no real evidence.

LOL


They're only Cryptic to simpletons that don't use the brain God gave them...

You two are hilarious...

originally posted by: windword
Religion was created because of the fear of death.

Why do you want to debate something that is faith based? There is no debate, you either believe or not....

Really? I have yet to see Christians celebrating Jesus' life, or life in general. All I see is them celebrating death.

What is Christmas? The birth of Jesus...

What is Easter? Easter Day, also known as Resurrection Sunday, marks the high point of the Christian year. It is the day that we celebrate the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

The bible is all about his life and what he did....

I'm not even religious, but I find your views as really ignorant to the subject, so if it is a subject you want to debate others in I suggest you first figure out what it is really about. I do find it puzzling that a person with zero faith would want to debate any of this in the first place.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Punisher75

Yes, you die daily, meaning the God of the living is not your God. Also, Paul's words are not Jesus' even though you may think so.

ACtually there is a few things in the NT that are true. the three commandments jesus wants us to do like loving our neighbor as ourselves for one.Love God above all else is another but the last one slips my mind. Can you tell me the last one?

Also what proof do you have that the resurrection didnt happen? It was witnessed by more than just paul correct? If its the 3 days thing it misunderstood because the use of the term "sabbath" right?

Christians don't put nearly as much emphasis on Jesus' life as they do his death. What is a Christian's answer when someone asks them what Jesus did for them? They say he died for their sins. All emphasis on his death, none on the life he lived before his death. This is why churches quote Paul more than they do Jesus, because Paul's entire doctrine is based on the death of Jesus, NOT his life.

Paul teaches death, Jesus teaches life. Christians cannot discern between the two for some reason.

Christianity should be about Christ's life and the good things he did while alive, not on his death which has accomplished absolutely nothing for the world. Saying Jesus' death was a good thing is death worship, basing an entire lifetime around one man's death.

a reply to: yuppa

What proof do you have that it did happen? You have just as much evidence of Jesus' resurrection actually happening as a hobbit named Frodo throwing the ring into Mount Doom. Both are words on paper, and both are fantastical fiction.

Also, what makes you think Paul witnessed Jesus' death? He didn't come into the picture until 30 years after the supposed resurrection. Paul did not know Jesus, he never met him, yet he claims to speak for him and to dictate what his gospel really meant.

Like I've asked so many times before, never with an answer: why was Paul needed at all? Were Jesus' words not enough to stand on their own? Why the middle-man Paul?

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Jesus didn't due on the cross that was Judas whoever believes otherwise is misinformed

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Paul is a traitor he is started the fake church aka Catholic church Jesus himself is quoted as saying that we denied the rock to build his church

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
I thought the whole farce was about a perfect Adam became a sinner so it took a perfect man to be sacrificed to cover the sin. Also to make the mosaic law null and void so us poor smucks don't have to keep a goat handy to sacrifice to the all mighty bearded guy. The love thy neighbor stuff was secondary. Jesus knew he was there to die and also knew it was a pissing contest between god an satan that a perfect man could resist temptation. It is still a contest between god and satan we are just collateral damage. So if we have faith in this long drawn out story and as we see in revelation we know the end. Then what are we waiting for, the point has been proven. God set this story up as soon as Adam ate the fruit. Maybe god knew Adam would eat the fruit because god is all knowing. We are just pawns in his little game.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: yuppa

What proof do you have that it did happen? You have just as much evidence of Jesus' resurrection actually happening as a hobbit named Frodo throwing the ring into Mount Doom. Both are words on paper, and both are fantastical fiction.

Also, what makes you think Paul witnessed Jesus' death? He didn't come into the picture until 30 years after the supposed resurrection. Paul did not know Jesus, he never met him, yet he claims to speak for him and to dictate what his gospel really meant.

Like I've asked so many times before, never with an answer: why was Paul needed at all? Were Jesus' words not enough to stand on their own? Why the middle-man Paul?

Why was anyone needed by jesus? I never said PAUL was to be believed over Jesus words. I believe Jesus could speak for himself.

You didnt mention anything about the three things Jesus wanted his followers to do. AS fro the above FAITH goes a long way.
ALso There were others there BESIDES PAUL RIGHT? Isnt there anything written somewhere that supports it might had happenned?

Its also hard to not say Jesus died for our sins because HE DID. It does not mean however that they worship his death. HE gave his LIFE to save OTHER LIVES. Thats what they mean when he died for us all. Yeah Jesus was a great teacher and person.(still is btw) I have to ask though. If paul was lying why not just call it the book of paul or do like muhammed did?

a reply to: celticdog

To a Christian "loving your neighbor" is secondary, but according to Jesus it was the most important thing, even above his supposed sacrifice.

People tend to beat around the bush when their beliefs are challenged with actual scripture, not addressing the issue and instead parroting what their preacher has taught them.

Of course not to disrespect anyone's faith and I don't believe in bashing religion but do accept honest and civil discussion of differences.

That said...

Anybody who takes up the mantle of teaching love and unity has only sacrificed his or her life for that cause, such as all people of God of all faiths.

I don't believe there is no metaphysical reality behind the sacrifice of Jesus beyond the above premise

Perhaps modern Christians should eschew the dogma about Christ dying for people’s sins.

This doctrine’s origin is in clerical dogma that has no basis in anything Jesus ever taught therefore the OP is correct imo.

Though almost 1500 years of dogma is hard to get rid of.

Good luck.

This is an example of religious perversion such as the Jewish falsehood about the chosen people and the Islamic falsehoods of Jihad we have today.

Remove these innovations from these religions and start over and get back to the original teachings of the founders of these religions t would revive religion from its sure death

This is proof that like anything religion has its degenerative nature

originally posted by: christophoros
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Jesus didn't due on the cross that was Judas whoever believes otherwise is misinformed

Not according to the Romans.(oh wait rome before being taken over by th e church specifically)

Judas killed himself and this is well known. SO why put a dead man on a roman cross?(not a cross shape but a headless T or a X shape because a humans body will not stay attached to a cross high up if nailed in the way it was done according so experiments done recently)

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
a reply to: windword

Your entire post is devoid of anything resembling fact. You provide no scripture or evidence of any kind to explain your opinion. It is your opinion and you are entitled to it but because you don't see something (Christians celebrating the life of Christ) does not make it false. AS if you can see into the hearts and minds of all Christians. This is just an extremely biased opinion that you have posted. It is what it is.

Why would Windword need to quote scripture? Why grant authority to a collection of myths? Christianity is the behavior of Christians not a book. It's the behavior of Christians that he's addressing.