Christianity is a death cult

A New Heaven and a New Earth
Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

‘He will wipe every tear from their eyes.

There will be no more death’

or mourning or crying or pain,

for the old order of things has passed away.”

He who was seated on the throne said, “I am making everything new!” Then he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the

"water of life."

a reply to: Puppylove

Paul is not Jesus, without Paul, Christianity is a beautiful religion. Christianity is not something to bash, but Paulism is a sick and twisted mutation of it, and in my opinion deserves scorn.

You do have multiple choices though. Simply ignore Paul and study only what you wish to read. You could tear the thirteen letters of Paul from the bible of your choice. Of course in all fairness you should then remove the book of Acts and Luke because Acts at one time was of Luke and in good light mentions Paul 132 time in 129 verses. Then you should also remove Peter's letters because Peter calls Paul his beloved brother. Then you must also censor the book of Hebrews just in case they ever find out that nasty ole Paul wrote any of that. And naturally you wouldn't want that nasty old God of the OT hanging around with your book of only love.

There ye go. Now you have your own little religion with your 9 letters tucked in your shirt pocket. But in all fairness you could simply find a denomination that already has done all of that and join up with that gang. Something like this OP is trying to sell.

Now you have your answer.

a reply to: windword

Yeah.. Somehow I missed the videos that you posted.

But, your right, it's a puzzle. I like puzzles!

a reply to: Seede

paul also taught that death was the solution to sin and that we are all woefully disgraced and unworthy creatures whose very existence is a crime against god except in the event that you join an exclusive club that magically erases your debts and secures your seat at gods table...

but you can only enjoy these rewards when you die. how marvelously convenient.

originally posted by: Tangerine

You're a bit confused. Hallowe'en is a distortion of Samhain, a Celtic pagan festival that has absolutely nothing to do with Satanism. You didn't think Satanism is a pagan religion, did you?

No I don't, and I'm most likely ignorant to a lot of it mainly because I really do not care much about either, but then I also do not make statements like "Paganism is a death cult religion". What gets me is that people who are basically atheist put so much time and effort into the study of religion, and I find it interesting that they do.

a reply to: TzarChasm

well as the research suggests, if the patriarchs were pharaohs and that was not released to the public in the text of the bible, then the identity of jesus, would also be a closely guarded secret.
have you read about the hyksos shepherd kings?

a reply to: Tangerine

How is it impossible to prove a negative? Youre moving the goal post. Isnt science able to do everything? According to you everything can be measured weighed and quantified.

What would had happenned if scientist didnt pursue the unprovable at times?. They would never had discovered the "god particle" would they? The only reason it cannot be proven right now is a lack of technical know and technology or scientific methods to find it.

LAck of evidence does not per clude existence. You of all people should know this.

a reply to: Tangerine

Come on man, I see you making all of these claims about the gospels not being written by their respective authors and all this other stuff that has no evidence to back it up, but once someone else brings a theory forward like undo has done you ask for all the evidence in the world to back it up. Hypocrite much?

The gospels weren't written by Mark, Matthew, John, and Luke? What's your evidence? Oh, some bishop in the 2nd century created their names in a book he wrote. Except, church fathers were already commentating on the gospels, names and all, in the second century, before that bishop wrote that church history book. How do you explain that?

Stop being a hypocrite, you don't care to present "proof" for your claims, so why do you demand all the proof in the world for others?

No disrespect meant, I just find it ironic how you are working in this thread so far.

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: TzarChasm

well as the research suggests, if the patriarchs were pharaohs and that was not released to the public in the text of the bible, then the identity of jesus, would also be a closely guarded secret.
have you read about the hyksos shepherd kings?

i just went and did a little skimming. gotta say, historians of those times were really shoddy at their jobs. you dont know who is lying, who is telling the truth, who may have misremembered and who did mushrooms the day before.

originally posted by: windword
And while you may believe that they're fringe, I can show you a thousand pictures of people beating themselves, crawling on their knees upon sharp rocks for miles and even crucifying themselves in order to be just like Jesus. Open your eyes and stop being so defensive.
Ignorance is Bliss!

1000s out of 2 billion is fringe.....

Look, I'm not defensive about this, think what you will and I'm not even sure what the OPs point in all this really is, or where he wants to go with it, other than to be most likely an atheist/non-Christian and has a hobby to research and debate religion. In this case we have someone that wants to cherry pick what they need to meet their desired topic. Many like this only focus on dogma and religious politics and think that is what religion is all about, and it is such a small part of it. It is almost like a person who has never seen the works of Leonardo Da Vinci, but has read all about them, makes opinions based on never actually seeing one. No matter how informed they are, they tend to be off somewhat in the end. When someone suggests that Christianity is a death cult what really does that mean to that person?

In case you haven't noticed, humans have been a pretty nasty species, and there is no way around that. There is a reason why we are 7 billion and it is not because we are smart and nice.

Humans in general are a death cult, literally, even though we have strive to overcome that and religion has been one way, but we tend to corrupt everything and drift off the moral compass over and over. One thing that religion has going for it is that it is based on a lot of morality and so there is a way to drift back.

When we look at the past with humans there has been social norms that today we see as evil, bad, disgusting etc., but that was life back then religion or not. Even as Plato contemplated philosophy, logic, ethics etc. he had sex slave boys that were a a norm, and he lived in a time where life had little value. Do we then say today that the foundation of ethics is based on pedophilia and a death cult?

The bottom line here with most of these debates is that people tend to apply today's views, social morals, values to what it was like in the past and it doesn't work very well.

Everyone should seek to be Saved thru the Blood of Jesus. And once Saved, all their doubts about the Divine birth of Jesus will be quelled and they will stop believing Him to be the son of Cleopatra or any pharaohs and what have you.

originally posted by: Stormdancer777

originally posted by: rom12345
All beliefs that tell us that death is better than life,
are death cults/ extortion rackets in my opinion.

What?

Christianity is about eternal life.

“I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever”

Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Jesus said , “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in me will never die;

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

Who is so arrogantly pathetic to want eternal life? Just humbly let your selfish ego go. That is the spiritual trajectory and purpose of life.
And by no means retracts from the profoundness of it.

a reply to: Seede

Oops, sorry.

2 Peter 3:15-16

a reply to: TzarChasm

paul also taught that death was the solution to sin and that we are all woefully disgraced and unworthy creatures whose very existence is a crime against god except in the event that you join an exclusive club that magically erases your debts and secures your seat at gods table... but you can only enjoy these rewards when you die. how marvelously convenient.

Death is the only solution to sin. Do you know of any other solution to prevent the practice of sin by a person? And yes it is also only by the grace of God's permissive will that you and I even exist. Were it not for Yahusha not one would be allowed into the heavens of the Creator. Not that it is a burden but a gift given to everyone who chooses to live forever. I cannot remember of any club that must be joined or said by Paul to require anyone joining any type of organization. That must be an assumption in your understanding. All terrestrial life must die and return to terrestrial substances.

If you want to bash a dead guy then so be it. It really won't change a thing and if it pleases you then that is your prerogative to bash. I have yet to see the reason to hate Paul as he was accepted as a brother in Christ by all of the Apostles and also accepted by the first century Christian Synagogue and its disciples. My understanding is that the first Christian church did practice the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit which included the discernment of spirits. If that be true then surely they would have known Paul was the devil that you say he was. But here we are some 2000 years later and you apparently know more than they did. I find it amazing the intelligence of critics today.

a reply to: Seede

This is the point I was making in my OP, DEATH is the solution to our sinful nature. Death, not life.

Jesus gives you a way out of sin: loving others as yourself and forgiving their sins against you.

1 John 3
9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

Those born of God do not continue sinning because they have been born of God. How are you born of God? By keeping the commandments: love God and others as yourself. It is as simple as that.

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: undo
a reply to: Tangerine

sure, explain why egyptian history is not sufficient evidence.

Cite an example of contemporaneous Egyptian documentation proving that Jesus lived. I'm unaware of any such documentation in Egyptian history so I can't answer until I see some.

well if cleopatra's son was jesus, then there you go. you need me to prove cleopatra had a son named esu? it's a religious title, mind you, as she was personified as isis and her son, as horus (esu). the full title was something like, mesu of aset. or to be more specific, mesu of asir (although i think that title is much older than pharaonic egypt and probably stems from hayah)

If? If is not contemporaneous documentation. If Gandalf was Ptolemy V Frodo could be Jesus makes as much sense as your hypothesis.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: Tangerine

You're a bit confused. Hallowe'en is a distortion of Samhain, a Celtic pagan festival that has absolutely nothing to do with Satanism. You didn't think Satanism is a pagan religion, did you?

No I don't, and I'm most likely ignorant to a lot of it mainly because I really do not care much about either, but then I also do not make statements like "Paganism is a death cult religion". What gets me is that people who are basically atheist put so much time and effort into the study of religion, and I find it interesting that they do.

Many, perhaps most, atheists and agnostics were raised as Christians and Jews (in the Western world) and have spent more time studying those religions than have most of the adherents of those religions. In fact, that's the reason many of them are atheists and agnostics. They don't call paganism a death cult religion for two reasons: Paganism isn't a single religion and the pagan religions aren't death cults.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: Nochzwei

We are beings who have the ability to think critically, that is a God given ability. The system the bible portrays is totally illogical and not based on any real-world evidence. If you choose to accept that the system god set up in the bible is true without questioning it, you are ignoring your God given ability to think critically.

Many people can not think critically. Until you can prove that God exists, it seems silly to attribute the ability to think critically to God. Do you attribute the inability to think critically, as is the case with many people, to God, too? Or are you going to attribute that to Satan

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Tangerine

Here's video that explains the bare bones of the theory of Jesus being the son of Cleopatra. There's historic facts and conjecture, but its just as valid a theory as any, in my opinion.

It's a hypothesis not a theory and, there being not an iota of contemporaneous documentation proving that Jesus ever existed, it's pure conjecture.