Christianity is a death cult

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Jesus had to die on the cross and be raised up again, for if He did not ascend into Heaven, The Holy Spirit would not be in this world and true Christianity would be non existent.
So we should be thankful for His sacrifice on the cross, as He Himself said, to this end He was born.
Praise the Lord

Your belief is not founded in fact. It's myth.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Jesus had to die on the cross and be raised up again, for if He did not ascend into Heaven, The Holy Spirit would not be in this world and true Christianity would be non existent.
So we should be thankful for His sacrifice on the cross, as He Himself said, to this end He was born.
Praise the Lord

Your belief is not founded in fact. It's myth.

just out of curiosity, what makes you think so?

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Jesus had to die on the cross and be raised up again, for if He did not ascend into Heaven, The Holy Spirit would not be in this world and true Christianity would be non existent.
So we should be thankful for His sacrifice on the cross, as He Himself said, to this end He was born.
Praise the Lord

Your belief is not founded in fact. It's myth.

just out of curiosity, what makes you think so?

I'd be happy to answer that. Myths are stories about supernatural deities. Facts are based on testable evidence only. There is no testable evidence that Jesus ever lived, was crucified, or ascended to Heaven or that Heaven exists. There is no contemporaneous documentation (ie. historical evidence ) proving that Jesus ever lived. In other words, not one person who lived when Jesus allegedly lived wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living. Not one word of the Bible attributed to Jesus was written by anyone who lived when Jesus allegedly lived or who could have witnessed Jesus saying anything. I hope I answered your question.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

You just reminded me of my debate teacher's favorite illustration of faulty logic actually. And it fits this OP.

God is Love. Love is Blind. Ray Charles is Blind. -> Ray Charles is God.

At least Ray Charles actually existed.

a reply to: BELIEVERpriest

'whoever believes in the Son will have eternal life and will not be judged, but whoever does not believe has been judged already.

That is a incredibly beautiful quote but my eyes read it differently to yours. I believe Hinduism, Buddhism and Christianity teach the same message but with different words for different cultures that perhaps weren't ready for a greater truth.

The son in that context is not Yeshua himself but our own spirit (God created man in His own image). So my understanding, if one believes in their own spirit (achieving atman in hinudism) they will have eternal life by escaping suffering (suffering = hell = rebirth).

a reply to: glend

I agree (except for rebirth being hell), the Son is the image of God, we see an image of light, it is the light of the world. The image we see is the exact likeness of God, and we are created in it.

What, above anything else, confirms that you have LIFE? The image of light you see right now. It is your identity, it is who you are and affirms that you are alive. When someone dies, the light goes out, they no longer see the image.

This is why Jesus says "since I live, you also will live", because the image is life itself. No image, no life.

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1

Gospel of Thomas has an interesting quote that we are the children of the light so I leave that as an open question mark in my mind as I cannot even begin to comprehend our true nature much less that of the light (Father in Christian terms). Perhaps one can really only comprehend the true nature of the Father and Son by being enlightened.

Our current reality in hundu terms is called maya (illusion) which if I am not mistaken is the Holy Spirit in Christian terms. Part of the process in becoming one with the son is breaking through that illusion. Its a tough nut to crack though.

a reply to: Tangerine

well i think his disciples were present and wrote about him when he lived. since i think he was the son of cleopatra, i think the egyptians mentioned him, too. and because he traveled the silk route, the buddhists wrote about him, also.

a reply to: Tangerine

Scripture would dictate behavior and the judgement of that behavior....It is the measuring stick.

Windword is making broad generalizations about the motives behind peoples actions as if he has some insight beyond his bias which could be laid out before us to calculate effectiveness. We hear about the atrocities of a few groups and institutions but that hardly represents everyone. I suppose by that logic (Windwords, and yours) all Americans are evil people who only dream of building empires and killing Muslims and empowering corporations. We dont get media and the history books to focus on the positive effects of Christians worldwide but perhaps if we did it would shed more light on its effectiveness and consequences upon the world.

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: undo

originally posted by: Tangerine

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Jesus had to die on the cross and be raised up again, for if He did not ascend into Heaven, The Holy Spirit would not be in this world and true Christianity would be non existent.
So we should be thankful for His sacrifice on the cross, as He Himself said, to this end He was born.
Praise the Lord

Your belief is not founded in fact. It's myth.

just out of curiosity, what makes you think so?

I'd be happy to answer that. Myths are stories about supernatural deities. Facts are based on testable evidence only. There is no testable evidence that Jesus ever lived, was crucified, or ascended to Heaven or that Heaven exists. There is no contemporaneous documentation (ie. historical evidence ) proving that Jesus ever lived. In other words, not one person who lived when Jesus allegedly lived wrote that s/he witnessed Jesus living. Not one word of the Bible attributed to Jesus was written by anyone who lived when Jesus allegedly lived or who could have witnessed Jesus saying anything. I hope I answered your question.

There is no testable evidence for billions of people who lived but I assure you they did. Materialism and science can only accept what it can measure or detect. Theories in soft sciences are simply educated guesses and are constantly readjusted as new evidence is presented. This is a highly illogical presumption on your part.

[DRUG USE SNIPPED]

a reply to: NihilistSanta

You provide no scripture or evidence of any kind to explain your opinion.

Scripture can be read to say anything one's mind believes it to say. I have quoted scripture, cut and dry, only to have someone say, "You've taken that out of context", or, "You need to look at the "Greek/Arabic", or, "That's not what that means."

My opinion is based on decades of Christian indoctrination and being proselytized to!

a reply to: Xtrozero

What is Christmas? The birth of Jesus...

Why do we celebrate Christimas? Because it is an old Pagan holiday that wouldn't die! Christimas wasn't celebrated for Jesus' sake until very recently.

Christmas celebrations in New England were illegal during part of the 1600s, and were culturally taboo or rare in Puritan colonies from foundation until the 1850s. The Puritan community found no Scriptural justification for celebrating Christmas, and associated such celebrations with paganism and idolatry.
en.wikipedia.org...

What do Christians do celebrate Jesus' life? They eat of his body and drink his blood to celebrate the LAST supper before his death.
Another way Christians celebrate Jesus is by ritually re-walking, in Jesus' steps, the stations of the cross, as he drudged through his death march to his crucifixion, his only reason for living in the first place!

They celebrate his dying through baptism and hope for the rebirth it supposedly represents, however, John the Baptist did not baptize Jesus to celebrate his resurrection, but to rinse his sins away.

Christianity teaches that Jesus wants you to suffer for his name. Christianity teaches you to hate your life, and hand it over to Jesus. Christians pray for and look forward to the end of the world as we know it! Christians are looking forward to death more than they're looking forward to tomorrow's sunrise and sunset.

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: NihilistSanta

Some like Akragon make cryptic statements about the bible with no real evidence.

LOL


They're only Cryptic to simpletons that don't use the brain God gave them...

You two are hilarious...

You say that yet everything you know was transmitted via someone else. I doubt you would have been able to intuit Christ message or Gods will without someone recording what happened and spreading the message. True the evidence for a creator is all around us but God knew that left to our own devices we would begin to spin off into conjectures that would become codified and be self serving because that is the nature of being in a fallen state. This is why he sent prophets and gave specific orders regarding the way people are to live.

About scripture well if multiple people are telling you that you have an incomplete understanding of the terminology or context then perhaps your assumptions are totally false or incomplete?

a reply to: NihilistSanta

Drugs. Got ya. Ok well now we know where you stand. To say that it is anything but subjective would be dishonest and you can go about your drug fueled ramblings but don't get offended when people don't agree because they have taken Christ words over your subjective experience that apparently you were too weak minded to be able to differentiate between subjective and objective reality. It was a trip man brought about by drug use. It is totally artificial but thank you for sharing.

Whatever it takes to deny the death cultiness of Christianity! Typical. I find it telling that you are unable to respond to any of the facts that I have posted.

I wonder, do you disregard everyone's validity once you find out that they've had spiritual experience through the consumption of entheogens? Or just those whose opinions and experiences offend you?

a reply to: daaskapital I was aware of the conflicts between Paul aka Saul of Tarsus, a persecutor of Christians long before he supposedly had a miracle happen and then became the voice of the Christians, and the Catholic Church, as a child, and when I tried to question it in the church, I was treated like a hated stepchild.

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Worshiping a man's death and torture and believing that it was good is a very morbid thing. Jesus did not come to die for sins, he came to teach us the way to God, and that does not include his death at the hands of the Romans. How do you come to God? Not by believing in a sacrifice that Jesus himself said he had no desire for, it is by loving others as yourself and loving God. If you love others then that is a sign of loving God, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Christianity could definitely be defined as a 'death cult' as one of the tenants is: the material world is 'not true reality', it just functions as an illusion to support those in matter. The actual 'Kingdom of God' that Jesus references exists within the higher/lighter dimensions; and once dropping the physical body will experience the true reality of being aware/conscious of being one with God. "Its nice to meet you again".

a reply to: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
That's the thing it is secondary to god because 2000 years of death and suffering to prove another point at Armageddon when ever that is going happen. Then to have another test after that again. It feels like we are the ones in between this school yard fight. It doesn't seem right and it should have been settled long ago. Sure the golden rule is good to live by but it seems to be a one way street from the one who preached it. He is up in heaven and all watching all this garbage going on. I guess the gods do play with us mere mortals

originally posted by: windword

Why do we celebrate Christimas? Because it is an old Pagan holiday that wouldn't die! Christimas wasn't celebrated for Jesus' sake until very recently.

Wow! Never heard that before, THANKS! You so smart....

The actual date means little, it is the celebration that is important. Actually, it is not a "Pagan Holiday that wouldn't die", it was a way to align the winter solstice that pagans and others celebrated to a Christian celebration of Jesus' birth, the actual date of the 25th means little other than that, or do you assume that all Christians believe that the 25th is the actual day that Jesus was born?

SOoo what is your point?

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: windword

Why do we celebrate Christimas? Because it is an old Pagan holiday that wouldn't die! Christimas wasn't celebrated for Jesus' sake until very recently.

Wow! Never heard that before, THANKS! You so smart....

The actual date means little, it is the celebration that is important. Actually, it is not a "Pagan Holiday that wouldn't die", it was a way to align the winter solstice that pagans and others celebrated to a Christian celebration of Jesus' birth, the actual date of the 25th means little other than that, or do you assume that all Christians believe that the 25th is the actual day that Jesus was born.
SOoo what is your point?

Not sure about windword's probable response; but I would say taking the "Jesus" phenomenon (forget the actual Feb 3 Birth) and making it 'sound' or 'seem' pagan would do a lot to avert the unnecessary pageantry 'roman coliseum' gladiatric style killing of
Coptic Christians in the AD 300s.