Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

I want to comment on this one quote from John Keel:

"The thousands of contacts with the entities indicate that they are liars and put-on artists."

I find this quite true. I have HATED all liars and lying since my first conscious thoughts (both my parents were terrible liars). In my entire life I have never once trusted one single 'so-called entity' --- not even once....with cause. ...

Now this causes any spiritual or religious friends I start to make quite upset with me.....as THEIR 'invisible friends' are just as deceitful as anyone else's. ...and this includes the monotheistic faiths and even Buddhism and all the new age cults of course...

There are of course various common explanations for this lying and deceit phenonemon.....such as the common good/evil deception....and the variants (such as the orion/pelleides good cop bad cop deception) to just mention two.

Now I'm not saying that entities don't exist. I'm not saying that they are not self-interested like any other being....but I highly suspect why 'these beings are such liars'.

It's because humans are nearly universally self and other deceptive liars. ...and it is human consciousness and human nervous systems which have created (or at least greatly enhanced/modified) the 'control loop entity).

You are what you eat.

We are in effect lying to ourselves. ..both as individuals and as a species.

There is great creativity due to this....part of what would attract any genuine ETs if any exist around here....

But is this monstrous thing we have created worth the terrible price we are paying?

This is my observation. ...for what it's worth.

KPB

a reply to: 1ofthe9

I'm going to contact Vallee again...I'm writing a paper....thats how you get a scientists attention...

if that works I'll do what I can.

KPB

Coast to Coast had Jacques Vallee on as a guest last night. Here's a synopsis of it:

Source: www.coasttocoastam.com...

Date: 07-27-14
Host: George Knapp
Guest: Jacques F. Vallee

In the first half of the program, George Knapp was joined by legendary ufologist Jacques Vallee, who discussed a recent discrete gathering of international UFO experts that was not mentioned to the public. He revealed that the two-day conference was organized by the French version of NASA, known as CNES, and featured 30 presentations to about 100 attendees. According to Vallee, the focus of the conference revolved around determining the best way to gather and research UFO cases as well as how to synthesize that data.

He attributed the event to a change in the French scientific community, where a new generation has emerged that is willing to take a fresh look at the UFO phenomenon. Unlike UFO research in the United States, which is beset with ideological disputes, Vallee noted, this examination of the phenomenon centered around "a good long look at the data."

To that end, Vallee explained that, fifteen years ago, he designed a data warehouse to collect various UFO sighting databases. Based on conversations from the CNES conference, he declared that "I'm now taking it to the next level." He speculated that there are around 200,000 well-documented cases from groups collecting UFO reports all over the world and this massive trove of information can be mined for new insights into the phenomenon, such as global patterns, physical facts, and special locations where events seem to occur with more frequently.

This statistical approach, Vallee argued, eschews presupposed conclusions and, instead, allows for an unbiased investigation of "researchable questions" that may allow for the ability to predict UFO behavior. Additionally, he marveled that, given the plethora of data, technology, and expertise already available, such a project can begin immediately and in earnest.

Sounds very interesting, and lol, I was asleep before it came on . . . might have to resubscribe to listen to it.

STM

Man this just keeps getting better and better!

We discussed doing some database stuff a few pages back, KPB you might want to mention this.

Wish we had more details on the gathering. This is very interesting.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Jacques is a frustrated computer programmer..
I think he loves that most of all...

I'd love it if he could find another 8-11 pm correlation.....or Wednesday / Saturday correlation.

Btw those correlations make me highly think that its human behavior and habits that feed this....

I doubt that 'spiritual entities' punch a time clock. ..

As far as my statement about Dr. Vallee getting out of the hinting business.... (about occult things)
that's still my theory....but if he wants to be a database analyst again I sure welcome it#

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: 1ofthe9

Jacques is a frustrated computer programmer..
I think he loves that most of all...

I'd love it if he could find another 8-11 pm correlation.....or Wednesday / Saturday correlation.

Btw those correlations make me highly think that its human behavior and habits that feed this....

I doubt that 'spiritual entities' punch a time clock. ..

As far as my statement about Dr. Vallee getting out of the hinting business.... (about occult things)
that's still my theory....but if he wants to be a database analyst again I sure welcome it#

I think he's talking about Unix demons.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

I didn't expect IT humor from you!

Good one

UFU & Skin-walker Ranch (etc) Times ..

I'm fascinated by the observation that there are certain times of the day that
UFOs, Skin Walker Ranch events, and supposedly for 'supernatural events in general'
(haven't verified that), that there are specific times where such things are more likely..
such as 8-11 PM and maybe something like 3-4 AM.

Now what fascinates me, is not the times necessarily, but that they are apparently
all in LOCAL TIME (adjusted by time zone), not in Greenwich Mean Time.

Now.. maybe 8-11 maps to when the sun goes down in a region.. or something like that..
and the beasties like the dark.. but that's not what I think is going on..

If there were generic laws of physics that applied to the time window in question, then
you would assume that an 8-11 window for example could not possibly apply.. as say
it's 10 PM PST.. that would make it 1 AM EST ... so those time windows would not be possible..
they would all run together, as it's always 10 PM somewhere in the world at a certain moment.

It might be far more likely that it's something physiological.. maybe 8-11 PM is when people are
off work and daydreaming and fantasizing about whatever they want.. other than to be consumed
by work.. maybe it's during this time that couples mate more frequently.. maybe the 3-4 AM is when
a lot of people are in REM sleep.. who knows...

But I'd love to see a correlation with human behavior be investigated... as I said before.. i don't' think
the beasties punch a time clock in LOCAL TIME.

KPB

originally posted by: 1ofthe9


Glad to see someone else picked up on the Unitah ties.

The Ranch is indeed location there, and it seems that similar phenomena are reported in the Sans Luis Valley. I suspect there are geophysical reasons for this...You might be interested in my postings.

As you know I've spent a fair amount of time in the San Luis Valley and experienced some astonishing high strangeness; lately though it has been very quiet.

a reply to: olaru12

In Ryan's second skinwalker book, it seems that much of the high strangeness only happened
when that one guard who was a 'believer' was on the ranch.

Perhaps there aren't any 'open gateways in the minds' of anybody in that area right now?
I think that a 'contactee' who has been modified by an 'experience' is a requirement for
any real degree of high strangeness.

Do you have an opinion on this?

KPB

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: olaru12

In Ryan's second skinwalker book, it seems that much of the high strangeness only happened
when that one guard who was a 'believer' was on the ranch.

Perhaps there aren't any 'open gateways in the minds' of anybody in that area right now?
I think that a 'contactee' who has been modified by an 'experience' is a requirement for
any real degree of high strangeness.

Do you have an opinion on this?

KPB

Not really, I think most of the activity I experienced was a result of the local. Saguach county.

a reply to: olaru12

Which is full of Native American and local believers, correct? I'd wager that
not many places in the USA have that high of a density of affected
individuals.

John Keel seems to think that high strangeness is due to a confluence
of 'contactees', time and location.

I can't speak to the latter two (time and location), but the first one
seems to be a requirement.. that's been my opinion for a while.. and
Vallee and Keel seem to agree.

Which if true, would make it 3 equations with 3 unknowns.. maybe
Vallee will be able to plug the right values into his new calculations..
who knows? I don't.

Kev

To that end, Vallee explained that, fifteen years ago, he designed a data warehouse to collect various UFO sighting databases.

Based on conversations from the CNES conference, he declared that "I'm now taking it to the next level."

He speculated that there are around 200,000 well-documented cases from groups collecting UFO reports all over the world and this massive trove of information can be mined for new insights into the phenomenon, such as global patterns, physical facts, and special locations where events seem to occur with more frequently.

Additionally, he marveled that, given the plethora of data, technology, and expertise already available, such a project can begin immediately and in earnest.

www.coasttocoastam.com...

Yeah, I called that # back on page 105...

P.S.S. Jaques Vallee did not have Apache Hadoop. He would have invented it if he could, but thems the facts: he didn't have it.

...and P. 106.

You're welcome, Jack.



P.S. Jack was speaking on C2C about a closed conference that he attended in Paris this month.

The CAIPAN GEIPAN UFO UAP workshop at CNES Paris July 2014

ETA: While I still have edit time on this post:

Highlights from The CAIPAN GEIPAN UFO UAP workshop

Preparation of standard case description observations:

Oral session

-Unidentified aerial phenomena: a strategy for research, Jacques Vallée

Psychological aspects of testimonials:

Oral session

-The importance of psychological and emotional context in the analysis of testimonies from unidentified aerospace phenomena, Rabeyron Thomas, Senior Lecturer, University of Nantes

-About the alleged psychological and sociological aspects of the testimony of UFO sightings, Pierre Lagrange, ESAA Avignon

-The influence of culture on UFO sightings, Jean Michel Abrassart, IACCHOS

-The impact of beliefs on the testimony of PAN , Romain Bouvet, Doctor of Psychology, University of Toulouse 2

theozfiles.blogspot.com...

If you go to the link you'll see them all there, working as a team, because no one of them can do it alone.



Finally, if anyone is interested you can learn a bit more about how these systems work by clicking the link in my signature below.

Haz a fine day, citizens.

Okay,

Then there's this: You all know how the American public seems to raise celebrities to a "god-like" status only to tear them down again in an almost ritualized fashion?

That is the same and only power that any of us have, as indivuals or collectively, to cause change of any type in "The Control System".

It has to do with the way that we process narratives.

You have to treat The Control System like Britney Spears.

Systematically, and with great vehemence and hilarity.

Like in a forum.

In Rome.



Oh and by the by: Ya' all have to realize that we are in a very special position to wield the power that I suggested above.

Jack and his buddies can't use it because of the way that they are engaged with the thing.

Only we, "The Masses", have this power. You can do it on your own, too, but it's not as fun as doing it in a group.

I gave out the arcane secret to its implementation in this post.

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originally posted by: Bybyots

To that end, Vallee explained that, fifteen years ago, he designed a data warehouse to collect various UFO sighting databases.

Based on conversations from the CNES conference, he declared that "I'm now taking it to the next level."

He speculated that there are around 200,000 well-documented cases from groups collecting UFO reports all over the world and this massive trove of information can be mined for new insights into the phenomenon, such as global patterns, physical facts, and special locations where events seem to occur with more frequently.

Additionally, he marveled that, given the plethora of data, technology, and expertise already available, such a project can begin immediately and in earnest.

www.coasttocoastam.com...

Yeah, I called that # back on page 105...

You know, the first thing I wondered after I saw that was if we'd given him the idea.

Refusing to engage with the system -> it makes a stronger attempt to enforce its own 'reality' on us?

a reply to: Bybyots

Well said.

It's been known for endless thousands of years in occult circles.

Egregore

It's also the power behind monotheism, all religion and all spirituality
and probably most of the UFO phenomenon / control system.

This is why the Aviary types.. the spooky types, are constantly running
psyops.. to get humans to 'worship' (empower) THEIR pony in the race.

It's also a major part of the reason why religionists are mind-controlled
to feed their 'worship energy' to their fraudulent control-system entity.

If you read Vallee carefully you will get hints that he thinks this way too..
at least that's my take on it.

Enjoy.

KPB

a reply to: 1ofthe9

Historically, the control system entity was only seen in terms of religion
and folk lore. Now, for people who don't believe in any of that, we now
have UFOs to get THOSE people snared.

If we stop believing in enough things, the frustrated control system entity
will start materializing the stay-puft marshmallow man or whatever it takes..
there is no end to it...

There is only one way to stop the madness, and it has 2 parts:

1) become honest as a species
2) engage the control system entity straight up.. stop fearing it.. stop praying to it..
stop trying to give yourself an advantage with it (get spiritual power from it)..
just get to know it straight up, like your obnoxious next door neighbor you've
been avoiding.

I suspect, but don't know.. that all rational species that are integrated with a control system entity
like we are, either learn to do this, or destroy themselves. That in fact, any 'genuine contact' between
species in the universe can't happen until this stage is successfully accomplished.. that we are self-interdicting
ourselves with our own foolishness.

Just my 2 cents.

KPB

Has the introduction of mass skepticism been a game changer then?

What's the feeling on that recent Grey Area post by member Astr0

Astr0 meltdown or disclosure

I only ask because I interacted with him for awhile and found him credible... before he went all Tom Corbit... he at least knew his aircraft and military... and I am finding out others on this site, who hold enormous respect and are respected for veracity and being level headed, are also finding it credible... as in outside, as well as personal, confirmation... and thus, now I am sorta confused.

At any rate, if you haven't seen it... well, I dunno... thinking aliens (or an outside consciousness of some sort) were behind this stuff had seemed so likely... a group of super tech wielding geeks and spooks seems so anti-climactic... but the number of people admitting various confirmations is growing into a large pool.

Carry on... and howdy all.

a reply to: Baddogma

The story has been reverberating in my mind for days. I really love it. In my mind, what he described as the efforts of the 5th arm of humanity are exactly what I suppose that we would be doing if we weren't doing what we are doing. That's what it seems to me we have alwats done: build stuff out of the earth and forge it with fire (energy) and build networks.

It's beautiful and it was really well presented.

I was so glad that you were there. I was late to the game and you asked really good questions that he answered. Great job on your part.





P.S. Could you keep us up to date on anything juicy that develops around the tale?