Dr. Jacques Vallee ~ The Control System

originally posted by: RifRAAF
I lost my what page I was up to in this thread

Guess I'll hae to search thru browser history and find it.

I'm about 2/3 the way thru Dimensions (thank you for the link to it) and it has given me a lot to mull over.

Maybe I'll be back later with something worth contributing...

Give Forbidden Science II a read too. I would also recomend Christopher O'Brien's work on the San Luis Valley. It seems that the SLV is akin to the Unitah Basin in Utah! He's even working on a camera study!

Wow! Finally got through the whole thread.

I must say that this is, perhaps, the most interesting thread I've ever tried to wrap my brain around (and somewhat failed at)

Time to get my hands on Forbidden Science II.

a reply to: Skeletonized

Good for you!!! We don't post much here lately, but only because we covered everything we could think of , but I think there are a few, like me, who keep an eye out for new posts and hopefully fresh 'ground' for fruitful discussion...

Enjoy FS II, if there are references that seem unclear, go and read his book, "Revelations" first, as it is primarily the book he was writing during FS II (which is actually his diary from the time period), so "Revelations' is a bit more clear due to having a more narrative style...

a reply to: The GUT
Thanks for this! Posting so I can come back later and read through this more thoroughly - I had no idea that character on Close Encounters was based on a real person.
Very cool, and man was I late for this thread - glad it popped up on recent posts or I would have never seen it at all.
I've always wondered if someone was able to let them know, for sure, that we are aware of them - if that would make any difference. Would the Hawthorne effect messing with their results make them pack up and leave us alone?
Thanks again.

Well, Andy Colvin released another collection of John Keel's stuff. Two interesting things:

1) Keel thought Vallee was err, not giving him the credit he should have gotten. Vallee never really talks about Keel, its kind of interesting.

2) Fred Crisman was a scifi fan back in the days of Ray Palmer, and apparently wrote some of the Dero stuff.

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: corsair00

The metaphysical principle is this: There is only in reality—God.

Everything else is a degree of illusory phenomenon (The phenomenal is a bridge to the real)

Therefore it is difficult to gauge who is who but we do know that who is from God, whatever God is.

The key is to understand the underlying cosmic metaphysical principles of existence. That ain't easy to find out( ask Buddha)

Then one won’t even need God!
Or Aliens!

Between this and Tetra50's "Missing Time" info one could extrapolate we're actually further back in time than we perceive. This might allow for all the reports of things happening twice, or happening then disappearing from our perceptions. Such as false flag events, and the possibility someone is manipulating our remembered history.

Saddleback WillTells idea onto it and it can be seen that the degree of illusory phenom ( the paranormal) is akin to living more in our actual reality, leading to god (just finishing the thought).

I'm still of the opinion the control system is a type of what we currently perceive to be an entity, that the ET's are here to study, more so than humans. We are of interest merely due to the fact we can & do interact with it.

Summing this up quickly, the more you have a foot in the para-aspects like seeing shadow people, ghosts, little people, ect.... the harder it is to pull the wool over your eyes with the timeline kerfuffle.

Just a thought, no proof whatsoever.

also sprained a couple of braincells ......
ouch!

a reply to: Caver78
'The ETs being here to study 'our' Control System', is an intriguing new idea to me...Have you written more detail on this anywhere?

a reply to: lostgirl

We are here to study your 'Control System' sounds just like something an 'ET' would say.

The facade is far too obvious.

It also fit's their MO to a 'T'.

The thousands of contacts with the entities indicate that they are liars and put-on artists. ~ John Keel

They are inveterate liars and deceivers, and delight in bamboozling and misleading mankind with all manner of nonsense. ~ Gordon Creighton

“They are messengers of deception” ~ Jacques Vallee

We do know that the so-called space brothers have established a pattern of telling us things that have been proven to be demonstrably false. One should then ask, ‘Should they be trusted either?’ After all, if they have lied, should they not be treated as liars?” Alien Intrusion

a reply to: Caver78

I signed-in for the first time in 6 month to give
you a star for this paragraph of yours, "

I'm still of the opinion the control system is a type of what we currently perceive to be an entity, that the ET's are here to study, more so than humans. We are of interest merely due to the fact we can & do interact with it. "

KPB

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Caver78

I signed-in for the first time in 6 month to give
you a star for this paragraph of yours, "

I'm still of the opinion the control system is a type of what we currently perceive to be an entity, that the ET's are here to study, more so than humans. We are of interest merely due to the fact we can & do interact with it. "

KPB

I think i know that feeling. :p I've been occupied with other things, but I do delve back into the esoteric stuff once in awhile. I'm reading UFOs - Wicked This Way Comes by Timothy Green Beckly and it has an interesting section on the Southern Television broadcast interruption back in 1977. He provides a transcript of the three seperate transmissions...the second one specifically states that this was the result of Pulharich's communication experiments.

I have no idea on the veracity but I thought it was rather interesting...

BTW if you watch Adam Curtis's Century of the Self, part 3 has Esalen and SRI playing large roles.

LostGirl I haven't written about it, it was just a notion I had. It loosely "fits" what we're seeing in reports and looking into the skin walker ranch stuff it's is pretty obvious. Just tonight I came across this interview with JV from this past February. It's a long interview with questions from multiple people, if it's been referenced in the thread already, my apologies! It wouldn't link correctly so I had to spell it out, if this is an unproved website please let me know!!!

www. Openminds. tv interview-ufo-researcher-author-jacques-vallee/29118


KellyBear thank you very much, I've read your posts with great respect!

" Q5: Have you achieved new discoveries on the third aspect of the Ufo phenomenon over the last years?

(Vallee's response)
We are faced with this third aspect when we carry on case studies in the field. Everything is happening as if the phenomenon was able to manipulate its environment (including its human environment) in order to hide its real nature. To my mind, the camouflage uses terrestrial elements and it is not simply a bureaucratic “cover-up” as it has naively been believed for a long time."

I would say this points more to an indigenous entity here on earth, and less at possible EBE's.

a reply to: Caver78

Phenomenal interview!!! Not much new stuff, but quite a few great tidbits for Googling...And now I want to read Bob Pratt's book on the Brazil UFOs...

One particular quote for thought (although I'm not sure what he is referencing when he says, "something else")...

..."We can imagine a control system that distorts reality gradually (physically and societally) to replace it with "something else." (He is speaking comparatively with some of the the fictional works of Jorge-Luis Borges)

Wish he would have elaborated on there being "groups in Silicon Valley that work on retro-causality"..

Got lucky it was a recent interview. Retro-causality kinda goes right over my head....ZOOM!!
ROFL...I thought it was worth mentioning he had an opinion about UFO researchers needing to work together and quit digging around for old paperwork. Parphrasing there, but it cracked me up!

Fifty years later we need to quit worrying if people like Corso were legit (for example) and just get on with trying to figure things out by using current evidence and correlating more recent reports. JMO of course .

Guys - does this mean hes willing to talk? :O

Also holy crap: Unitah Basin, ceremonial magick, general Lovecraftian-ness...

In Paracelsus, to whom medicine owes some important ideas and practical remedies, we can find a series of descriptions of beings that are supposed to have realities similar to ours. The collections of such esoteric treaties contain precious historical information, apart from speculations that modern science has now validated or exceeded.

Well, its a place to start - also Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius...

a reply to: 1ofthe9

The fact he was nosing around in the Unitah Basin fairly recently I find optimistic. It ties in with what I quoted from him above and actually lends some creedence to it being a type of "pulse point" where the control system/entity is active and accessible easily to us humans. I would think, going by what's been experienced, our confusion lies in mistaking all it's different manifestations to be separate individual entities, when in fact it's just one thing that can manufacture different facets.

Toss in some EBE's in the vicinity also checking it out, our govt picking that area for it's experimental aircraft testing and it pretty much sums up ufology to date.

The only thing I would add is there are more "pulse points" this gives us our pockets or flaps when the Control System is active and humans & EBE's notice.

Here's an intriguing thought I just had:

You know how we figured that Vallee has probably signed a lot of non-disclosure agreements?

Well, I wonder - if he went researching into those 'areas' (isn't Unitah the locale of Skinwalker Ranch?) and uncovered 'his own' evidence for stuff, could he disclose it?

If so, I sure hope he does...

a reply to: 1ofthe9

I'm reading Vallee and Keel stuff right now. I've not actually learned anything that useful from all that material. ..other than how ancient ufo sightings are and how there is little if any difference between 'ufos phenomenon' and poltergeist and 'little people' phenomenon to name just two. The amount of data in support of the IDH is actually staggering.

I've had my own conceptual/expetential framework on hold for 6 months now...in order to minimize any of my own selection bias. ...

But nope...I cant disagree one tiny bit with the IDH or in fact John Keels 'ultraterrestial' theory....although John seems to go off the deep end in his other books.....I am finding great merit in 'Operation Trojan Horse'.

KPB

a reply to: lostgirl

I think that Dr. Vallee has done all the research and hinting that he is going to do. Unfortunately. At least he's not interested in conversing with me....but then again almost nobody is...LOL. He's a close friend of a friend of mine....but no go.... I'm going to have to advance my research by other more unpleasant means..

a reply to: Caver78

I'm thoroughly convinced that the 'control loop entity' has insinuated itself deeply into the nervous system of every living human.

I concur that the tiny handful of actual physical ET creatures that MAY actually exist in the vicinity of earth are in fact intetested in the 'control loop entity' and in fact don't even consider humans sentient at all...

KPB

originally posted by: lostgirl
Here's an intriguing thought I just had:

You know how we figured that Vallee has probably signed a lot of non-disclosure agreements?

Well, I wonder - if he went researching into those 'areas' (isn't Unitah the locale of Skinwalker Ranch?) and uncovered 'his own' evidence for stuff, could he disclose it?

If so, I sure hope he does...

Glad to see someone else picked up on the Unitah ties. The Ranch is indeed location there, and it seems that similar phenomena are reported in the Sans Luis Valley. I suspect there are geophysical reasons for this...You might be interested in my postings.

KPB - can you ask your friend to pass on someone from us?