A Question to the Scot's Here on ATS? ....

reply to post by eletheia


There would be no border control because we are all one big country with the European Union these days - there are no borders within the EU.

schuyler
Doesn't matter how nationalistic you are or how fervently you believe in independence, or how cleverly you point out Americans living on so-called "Native" American land, you need to convince your fellow citizens, and thus far you have not. Polls are subject to variation and, of course, you can attack the messenger by attacking the polls, but basically here's the bottom line:

Right now, today, 60% of your fellow citizens would vote NO.

Ironically, the people most favorable to Scottish independence as a group are those detested Americans, who don't count. Least you could do is treat them neutrally. Attacking your supporters is not a good way to win. The hypocrisy is too obvious and it's a waste of your limited resources. You've only got so much energy to expend. If you can't convince your own Mum, who is left to blame? I know: Bush did it.

So what am i with out opinion because of someone else belief? I live free no matter where i am. I need not blame anyone. If asked to vote i would. If asked to defend freedom, self expression, independence and die for such a cause i would. I have been in such a position, mislead and i made a bad choice. Regardless i support freedom for it is the very reason we can argue. Asked an opinion i gave one what more do i owe you?

HelenConway
reply to post by eletheia

 

There would be no border control because we are all one big country with the European Union these days - there are no borders within the EU.

LOL ... I'm living in hopes of us getting out of the EU!

intrepid
Can someone explain what the upside is to seceding from the UK?

No idea - especially not if Scotland remains in the EU, because they will not be independent at all. I would like someone to explain that to me too.

Freeborn
Perhaps they'll be along shortly, (I'd say as soon as the pubs shut but I guess there'd be some who would find the tongue-in-check stereotyping slightly offensive even though most Scots would recognise it as the harmless bit of craic it would be intended to be).

Canuck says, "Why would that be insulting?"

I've been reading about this and I just haven't seen a solid reason to do this. Looks like political posturing to me.

reply to post by intrepid



Definitely a case of political posturing ... by a particular politician determined

to get written into the history books - much like another Scot's politician who was

also determined to be 'Prime Minister' - and was!! and he also held the dubious

honour of holding the position for the shortest time ever!! LOL...


As has been said earlier the Scot's asked to join the union in 1707. If they do

vote for and get independence, in another three hundred years when the oil runs

out and things fall apart (remember the RBS ) etc... etc... As has already been

said they will be as a third world country bordering England and wanting to

re join the UK!

Most of my fellow Scot's get on great with English people. I always has a great time when i went there. We are better together, we don't need that twat Salmond stirring up the sh*t. His vote is gonna get it's ass kicked.

reply to post by DrunkYogi

what a heartfelt and lovely post.

eletheia
reply to post by intrepid

 

Definitely a case of political posturing ... by a particular politician determined

to get written into the history books - much like another Scot's politician who was

also determined to be 'Prime Minister' - and was!! and he also held the dubious

honour of holding the position for the shortest time ever!! LOL...


As has been said earlier the Scot's asked to join the union in 1707. If they do

vote for and get independence, in another three hundred years when the oil runs

out and things fall apart (remember the RBS ) etc... etc... As has already been

said they will be as a third world country bordering England and wanting to

re join the UK!

The white paper will be presented today (26th), giving us all a chance to understand what the implications might be. In the meantime, kindly explain in detail how we will become like a third world country bordering England.

intrepid
Can someone explain what the upside is to seceding from the UK?

The chance to set our own taxes, control our exports, manage our education system, our pensions and benefits and most importantly, for me, the chance to stay out of illegal wars.

gortex
reply to post by eletheia

 

I'm English but also British , united we stand divided we fall .
I don't think Scotland will vote for independence and I hope they see through the untruths that Alex Salmond has been feeding them because if they do go they'll have many problems to face .

I love Scotland and it's people but like the rest of us they're ruled by idiots

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Details of Untruths....

If we go...England has the problem..not us.

DrunkYogi
Most of my fellow Scot's get on great with English people. I always has a great time when i went there. We are better together, we don't need that twat Salmond stirring up the sh*t. His vote is gonna get it's ass kicked.

Typical Unionist claptrap. It's not Alex's Vote...it's the people of Scotland's Vote for Independence, not a vote for Alex Salmond....some people just dont get that.

eletheia
reply to post by intrepid

 

Definitely a case of political posturing ... by a particular politician determined

to get written into the history books - much like another Scot's politician who was

also determined to be 'Prime Minister' - and was!! and he also held the dubious

honour of holding the position for the shortest time ever!! LOL...


As has been said earlier the Scot's asked to join the union in 1707. If they do

vote for and get independence, in another three hundred years when the oil runs

out and things fall apart (remember the RBS ) etc... etc... As has already been

said they will be as a third world country bordering England and wanting to

re join the UK!

Mince..

intrepid
Can someone explain what the upside is to seceding from the UK?

No more Nuclear weapons on the doorstep of Scotland largest City... No More spilling of our peoples blood in illegal wars orchestrated by the rich for the rich.... Anything else you need to know or is that enough for now....

beansidhe


The chance to set our own taxes, control our exports, manage our education system, our pensions and benefits and most importantly, for me, the chance to stay out of illegal wars.

And which currency will Scotland be using for these benefits pensions etc. The British

pound or the euro??


From what I heard on a discussion this morning of the 'white paper' It is intended

Scotland has it's own Army/defence force, and the manning of border's? and this

will cost the person/household/taxpayer (I missed which was one) an

extra £1000 annually!


I recently read North sea oil/gas is expected to decline in production over the next

30years, and the number of new fields coming into production fails to match

the numbers reaching the end of their economic lives .... but hey ... Alex Salmond

knows best?! only he's not likely to be around for that.

eletheia

beansidhe


The chance to set our own taxes, control our exports, manage our education system, our pensions and benefits and most importantly, for me, the chance to stay out of illegal wars.

And which currency will Scotland be using for these benefits pensions etc. The British

pound or the euro??


From what I heard on a discussion this morning of the 'white paper' It is intended

Scotland has it's own Army/defence force, and the manning of border's? and this

will cost the person/household/taxpayer (I missed which was one) an

extra £1000 annually!


I recently read North sea oil/gas is expected to decline in production over the next

30years, and the number of new fields coming into production fails to match

the numbers reaching the end of their economic lives .... but hey ... Alex Salmond

knows best?! only he's not likely to be around for that.

We will keep the Pound and probably adopt the Euro at some point along the way, BTW, it's not Englands pound, but typical Westminster arrogance says otherwise...

Where did you draw the figures of £1000 (nice round number that) Annually... typical project fear at it's best.... they dont even have a paper of their own, they are just going to try and pick holes in The SNP's white paper....That's how much they value The Scots...they cant even be Arsed to put pen to paper on what is the Biggest decision for the Scots in 300 years..

As far as Oil goes. we have been fed the old.."the oils running oot" spin for 30 years...of course it's running oot, we know this, it's running oot all over the World. the fact is..if Scotland goes independent the Oil will run oot quicker for London than it will us, and they are #ting themselves over it.

We are still finding Oil in and around Scotland's shores...we haven't even looked at the west coast yet.

This Sums up Westminster/London Rule over Scotland....

SCOTLAND, THE POOREST OIL PRODUCING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD....Fact.
Something seriously wrong with that picture.

Its nothing to do with Scots hating the English or England.
if your on a boat and its heading for point A and you want to go to point B,then you have to get off the boat.
point A being privitisation,nukes ilegal wars,689mps+800 lords,bankers,city of london,work till you drop etc
point b being none of the above and the savings spent on allowing people to retire at a reasobable age spending your taxs on improving your country.

As for the "you wont be allowed to use the pound" Really?
Negotiation Uk: you cant use the pound-scot ok buy your oil from the saudis and add 50p litre to your fuel costs and see your inflation and exports decline.
Outcme: Uk just joking.......the end.

It will be YES from me.

reply to post by eletheia


What are you talking about? Do you honestly think that in 300 years we will be relying solely on our oil reserves? That we have no other means of income? That we have no future in technology, manufacturing, heavy industry, research, academia, fisheries, whisky exports?

How does any of what you said explain how we will be a third world nation in that time frame?

Wrabbit2000
Well, I just have one thing to say....or one of my ancestors did, to hear the family genealogist tell it...

It's damn late in coming, but better late than never if they can finally take what is theirs.

. Your related to Mel Gibson? Brilliant!

I'm from Peterhead (north east Aberdeenshire). I have lived in Scotland my whole life and I am very entitled to my opinion when it comes to independance and in particular Alex Salmond.

Personally I think the boys an idiot, his ideology is absolutely ridiculous and he will not stop until he is given the opportunity to bury this country. And don't think he needs independance to begin, he's already started!

In the last few years alone I have witnessed the closure of local colleges, threatening apprenticeships, the demise of our town centres and the countryside being ruined with these 'wind farms' amongst other things. His priorities are all wrong. In fact, I don't think he knows where to start. And to top it off we have this clown who is apparently representing Scotland and in short, making us all look petty and small-minded.

His conferences are cringe-worthy. One that sticks in my mind, when confronted about how the UK had been a success to date his response was "tell that to the families who have lost a loved one in an illegal war". Boooooom! You tell em Salmond! (sarcastic face). So now he's using conspiracies as leverage to support an independant Scotland. He didn't mention any political and/or economical issues (or none of any importance that sticks in my mind). We get it Salmond, wars suck, but back to the referendum.

I don't think Scotland would survive independantly with a grade-A economical genius at the helm, but with Salmond?