Russel Brand: The time for Revolution is now.

Zen24

projectvxn
reply to post by Zen24

 

Exactly, instead of discussing productive solutions to a peaceful revolution and lasting change for the better of all. People objectify Brand, letting his past influence their opinion of the words he speaks. If a person they see as respectable said the same thing, they'd react totally different.

So for some reason to sing his praise for opinions he holds is all well and good, but disagreeing with him isn't? I don't really care about the mans past. I care whether he's funny or not.

I will never understand why people put so much stock into the opinions of privileged celebrities.

See you jump to the other end of the spectrum. It makes no difference who he is, the words are the importance. It doesn't matter if a ten year old said it. I've said it 20 times on this thread, a moneyless local self sustaining thread of communities is the brightest solution in my eyes. What say ye?

This is probably Mr.Brand!

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Anyways I agree with everything he says, again as a human being you will spend money on unnecessary garbage, it's pathetic but we all do it. We all need to make a living and he managed to do so exceptionally well. Perhaps he wanted to experience life on the other side of the fence (See what life and a wealthy man feels like). I've been there I know what it feels like to come from nothing to something, and trust me people criticize you for everything you do. You get money they start talking smack, you act humble they start comparing their wealth to yours. It's all about ones EGO, a revolution can only come about when people learn that we should all work together, not against one another. You help the poor and they'll be the same ones that crucify you, how many times have we seen this happen?

reply to post by TrueBrit


So by your estimation, a "massive redistribution of wealth" as proposed by Mr Brand will solve the issue? how can that be fair? Why the hell should I have everything I HAVE WORKED hard for be taken away from me and MY family, to be redistributed to people who have not lifted a damn finger in their life? That act would destroy the majority of the people in the country, You justify that to me.

You complain about "successful" people yet you don't understand what it is they do, you just see people in suits, and assume they have not worked as hard as you, or suffered like you have. What do you know about their lives? And I am not just talking about corporate C-Level types, but all those working in places, who have put in the graft to make a success of themselves.

OK, you might have worked hard in you family business, and unfortunately it has not been as successful as you hoped. How does that give a right to try an take from those that have had success? No, it should be a nudge for you to address the way you are doing things. and perhaps chase something else. You're 28, your life is only just beginning. Yet you talk like it is over and you are a defeated man. Is that the governmens fault?

By the way Mexico is not in South America, cost of living there is comparable to the UK, if not more expensive. the only thing that is cheap is petrol, yet the average wage equates to 200 - 300 pounds a month, and there is no government 'safety net' like in UK. SO the people work like dogs to make ends meet. And yes that does not help your situation, but it should give you some perspective that in fact things are not as bad everyone thinks they are in the UK. But you complain you get no help, while being taxed to death, yet there are people there that seem to get all the breaks! That's called envy.

So answer me this. What makes you think the government owes you anything. You owe it to yourself and that is the end of the story. Communism / Socialism is a failed concept.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Nope sorry your wrong its not scripted at all...

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Asktheanimals
reply to post by IrishCream

 

"Branding" is an advertising term meaning to create an associative image with a certain product.
Russell Brand - does no one see the irony here?
Any true rebel wouldn't be welcomed back time and again by the MSM.
His disabuse of the system is part and parcel of his act.
This is a ready-made rock star for your consumption.
Whateva.
All he does is complain about what's wrong and all I heard for suggestions on how to fix it was something about socialism. He can start by sharing his wealth first.
When the UN adopts him as a spokesperson you'll know he's as authentic as Obama.

he shares his wealth

Link

reply to post by ototheb85


Thats not sharing wealth. That is selling a LIMITED number of VIP tickets, the proceeds of which go to the foundation. That is not sharing his wealth, all it is is special product creation that does not affect his cut one bit.

reply to post by TrueBrit

Justify that , go ahead. Tell me that the system doesn't need a terminal re-adjustment. I bloody well dare you. The truth is that the system under which we live, is designed for the benefit of few, at the expense of many, and that cannot stand.

Why do you think majority of the who's who are always part of secret societies?

Edit: Connections are the most important aspect to SUCCESS, haven't you noticed by now.

I think some people maybe missing the point, or maybe I am. Isn't this more about the 1%, the lobbyists, the uber rich that control government, regardless of what their political affiliation is. Vote Labour or Conservative, Democrat or Republican, it's still the same people behind the scenes forming policy. Look at HS2 in England, an utter load of rubbish, £110 million a mile it is going to cost, wont even solve the "supposed" problem, no one wants it, no one outside of big business is going to use it, but it's going to go ahead no matter what!

What I think Brand is getting at, is removing this power from the multinationals and making for want of a better word, a "government" that serves the people not profit.

reply to post by siriussam


How do you remove the power when society as a whole is built around it?

You know what really pissed me off, when all the Idiots(Not everyone, but those that supported the idea) in England contributed to the purchase of a new luxury yacht for the Queen. I mean you buy her something she can buy herself (despite billions starving), and you go home hungry, worried about your low wages and the future of your family....people in this world have totally lost the plot.

Or I'm I the one that's mentally unstable?????? DEMOCRACY ey?

DeadSnow
reply to post by siriussam

 

How do you remove the power when society as a whole is built around it?

You know what really pissed me off, when all the Idiots(Not everyone, but those that supported the idea) in England contributed to the purchase of a new luxury yacht for the Queen. I mean you buy her something she can buy herself (despite billions starving), and you go home hungry, worried about your low wages and the future of your family....people in this world have totally lost the plot.

Or I'm I the one that's mentally unstable?????? DEMOCRACY ey?

edit on 25-10-2013 by DeadSnow because: (no reason given)

I'll be honest, I'm at a total loss on what needs to be done, but I do know that having a so called democratic system that serves the few rather than the many could go down in the English Oxford dictionary as a definition for madness.

phinubian
reply to post by benrl

 

Russel Brand is an lunatic agitator, there is much in the public domain linking him to the very groups that are behind the entire NWO conspiracy and their cause, it pays to know the messenger and their true motives.

any proof to those claims?

Most the people in this thread who are slating Brand are the very people in other threads calling for action and change and saying how corrupt the system is. Saying exactly what Brand said.

talk about double standards.

You come into a thread spewing bullsh!t about Brand and how his words are no good why? because you dont like him personally? because he isnt trained in politics?

are you??

what he said was true and and he delivered it perfectly. Showing his intelligence. Not many people can shut paxman up.

Brand is intelligent, and articulate and has a way of leaving people in awe. Add this to the fact he is famous makes him a great guy to have on our side. someone who can get the message to many. I Literally today just walked downstairs in my office and saw someone else watching this video...someone I never knew would be interested in it but they loved it. Said never a truer word spoken.

the cr@p I see on here about how Brand is not authorised to talk about this stuff or he is just a silly celeb with no credibility is b*ll*x.

drop the double standards shake the stubbornness and actually join the fight to save your own planet.


BTW, that top sentence about proof is aimed at the quoted poster...the rest if for anyone slating this video for no good reason.

reply to post by JakiusFogg


Exactly.

My husband and I came up from nothing. His mother died when he was in college and his dad told him that if he wanted anymore parental aid for anything, he would have to ditch two years of schooling and move out of state. My husband decided to go it alone. At that point, all he had was $50 and a bicycle.

We went through a span on three or four years where he was paying his dues in low wage jobs and I was working part-time retail and finishing my education. We lived in a crap hole of an apartment with one working drain. We carted our dish water to the street to dump and the sewer sometimes backed up in another of our sinks. But it was what fit our limited budget.

Now, he works for a major corporation putting in 10+ hour days and he makes a pretty good salary, but we're still feeling the pinch because of college debt and my inability to get a solid full-time job after the economy collapsed.

You'd be surprised at how many of our less successful college friends label him a sell-out because he has that job and sits in meetings even though they all know what we went through, where we came from and that when we say we understand, we damn well do. And we give what we can when we can because, yeah, we've been there.

It's just so easy for people to forget that, you know, regular people work in those evil corporate places, too.

reply to post by Silicis n Volvo


It's not that I fault what he calls for. We all know that there is a problem.

What I am suspicious of is what he calls for as the solution. A socialistic end state is not the answer. Everywhere such a thing has been tried, it's been a disaster. Allowing some nebulous group of people to make all your decisions for you ... for your own good, of course ... never leads to good things. For one thing, there is no way you could ever make a centrally planned system that is complex enough to adequately cope with every single person's individual needs.

Try imagining such a system to deliver milk to everyone in the world. You can't. It's not possible. You have how many different kinds of milk - Skim, 1%, 2%, Whole ... but what if you're talking about factoring in people who don't drink cows milk and want some other kind of animal milk like sheep, goat or yak. How about people who drink soy or almond milk? What about people who are lactose intolerant and drink the specially made stuff? Then there are the types of dairy that aren't just for drinking but for cooking and baking like 1/2 and 1/2 and cream and butter milk. Then you have to know what every individual's wants and needs for such products will be and adequately predict that so that you can produce and deliver enough to all the right places. This is central control.

Of course, most systems stop trying and just limit the choices available based on bell curve data so that most people will be happy most of the time. You just better hope you aren't an outlier or else you're out of luck.

Translate this to every aspect of society, and you'll start to see that it would be a major headache. Brand's idea would never work on the scale he proposes, but this is precisely what the NWO wants to try to install.

ketsuko
reply to post by Silicis n Volvo

 

It's not that I fault what he calls for. We all know that there is a problem.

What I am suspicious of is what he calls for as the solution. A socialistic end state is not the answer. Everywhere such a thing has been tried, it's been a disaster. Allowing some nebulous group of people to make all your decisions for you ... for your own good, of course ... never leads to good things. For one thing, there is no way you could ever make a centrally planned system that is complex enough to adequately cope with every single person's individual needs.

Try imagining such a system to deliver milk to everyone in the world. You can't. It's not possible. You have how many different kinds of milk - Skim, 1%, 2%, Whole ... but what if you're talking about factoring in people who don't drink cows milk and want some other kind of animal milk like sheep, goat or yak. How about people who drink soy or almond milk? What about people who are lactose intolerant and drink the specially made stuff? Then there are the types of dairy that aren't just for drinking but for cooking and baking like 1/2 and 1/2 and cream and butter milk. Then you have to know what every individual's wants and needs for such products will be and adequately predict that so that you can produce and deliver enough to all the right places. This is central control.

Of course, most systems stop trying and just limit the choices available based on bell curve data so that most people will be happy most of the time. You just better hope you aren't an outlier or else you're out of luck.

Translate this to every aspect of society, and you'll start to see that it would be a major headache. Brand's idea would never work on the scale he proposes, but this is precisely what the NWO wants to try to install.

Yes, thank god things like eBay don't exist.

JakiusFogg
reply to post by TrueBrit

 

So by your estimation, a "massive redistribution of wealth" as proposed by Mr Brand will solve the issue? how can that be fair? Why the hell should I have everything I HAVE WORKED hard for be taken away from me and MY family, to be redistributed to people who have not lifted a damn finger in their life? That act would destroy the majority of the people in the country, You justify that to me.

Well for a start, you are operating under an assumption based on nothing more than a dislike of the poor, an assumption that they have nothing because they do nothing. That could not be less accurate. Many poor people in the UK work four times the hours, and in vastly more trying circumstances than the people who caused the banking fiasco for instance, and yet they get paid at a rate which consistently tracks below inflation, while economic terrorists get hundreds of thousands, and even millions a year to sit in comfortable offices, putting precisely NO actual effort into any damn thing. That cannot be justified. You can work very, very hard in this country, and get nothing out of it, even if your situation is less rarefied than my own! Having work does not prevent one falling into destitution, but you are talking about people who, and I quote "never lifted a damn finger in their life".

The majority of people who are having big problems right now are the working poor, not the jobless, and your insinuation that my desire is to see a nation of entitled slackers benefit from the hard work of others is frankly ridiculous. And that fails entirely to even begin to address those who have no work but desperately want it, despite the fact that most jobs these days offer no protection against poverty and destitution, which you would know if you had your head in the right place, for the right reasons.

You complain about "successful" people yet you don't understand what it is they do, you just see people in suits, and assume they have not worked as hard as you, or suffered like you have. What do you know about their lives? And I am not just talking about corporate C-Level types, but all those working in places, who have put in the graft to make a success of themselves.

If success was about hard work, rather than learning which bottom to firmly plant your nose inside, then everyone I know, everyone I have ever socialised with, would be millionaires a couple of hundred times, because we sweat, we ache, we actually BLEED for our daily bread. Graft does not equal success. Perhaps what we ought to strive for then, is a land where EVERY person who strives may be successful, regardless of connections, or willingness to get a nose full of turd.

OK, you might have worked hard in you family business, and unfortunately it has not been as successful as you hoped. How does that give a right to try an take from those that have had success? No, it should be a nudge for you to address the way you are doing things. and perhaps chase something else. You're 28, your life is only just beginning. Yet you talk like it is over and you are a defeated man. Is that the governmens fault?

First of all, the people who have had the "success" that I have an issue with, have not EARNED their money. You earn what you need, and after a certain point, no matter how you justify it, it becomes warrantless, pointless collection of funds. A person need not earn more than it will cost them to have a home of their own, food in their guts, heat in their pipes, water and electricity, and to keep a family in that situation. And yet, vast wealth can be amassed by the LAZIEST cretins in the land, idiots who think that shouting down a phone at some equally stuffed shirt on another continent, equals work, or the board member who has not been on a factory floor for the last thirty years, and still thinks he has any business what so ever running an industry. These people are holding the rest of us back, by greed, by self importance, and an over inflated sense of how necessary they are to the continued existence of the species. It is REAL hard workers, with the blisters, the metal shards under their fingers, the strained muscles and grainy eyes of genuine, physical fatigue to PROVE their worth, who are owed the debt which ends up in the pockets of the rich and powerful, and no one else.

But you complain you get no help, while being taxed to death, yet there are people there that seem to get all the breaks! That's called envy.

A starving man does not ENVY a man who is eating a steak. He is merely wishing he were allowed to eat. There is a marked difference.

So answer me this. What makes you think the government owes you anything. You owe it to yourself and that is the end of the story. Communism / Socialism is a failed concept.

It was the government who took our milk when we were young, it was the government who forced cut after cut, year after year on everything from education to the NHS, it was our government who spent all our money on wars for oil rather than for ideals. It is our government who allow energy companies to hound us all for money they do not deserve, it is our government who fail to prevent fraud by massive companies from taking billions out of the public purse, it IS our government which spends our money without wisdom today, and will continue to do so tomorrow, and it is our government who have, no matter which party they belonged to at the time, systematically erroded the ability of the common man to make his life his own, rather than being constantly under threat from a new government levy of some sort.

They owe us their throats, let alone a livelihood with which they cannot interfere. They are traitors to the people, they have sold us out to big business, and they have never paid the price.

Russell Brand is exactly what this world needs, which is leaders who are smart and awakened who have the capability to reach the masses via the MSM and other methods that normal people do not have access to.

Its only a matter of time before he won't be allowed on any news programs any longer because I think TPTB will label him too big of a threat. More and more people will start to hear him and listen to him.

Russell is a great man who is probably responsible for many people's awakenings and awareness. Much props to him!

reply to post by teachtaire


Except with a centralized system, things like eBay would necessarily be rendered illegal because they would allow people to make an evil profit for themselves. Remember, we must all become equal and it must all be fair in this brave, new society.

That sort of thing becomes a black market in a centralized, socialized perfectly controlled economy.

reply to post by TrueBrit

It was the government who took our milk when we were young, it was the government who forced cut after cut, year after year on everything from education to the NHS, it was our government who spent all our money on wars for oil rather than for ideals. It is our government who allow energy companies to hound us all for money they do not deserve, it is our government who fail to prevent fraud by massive companies from taking billions out of the public purse, it IS our government which spends our money without wisdom today, and will continue to do so tomorrow, and it is our government who have, no matter which party they belonged to at the time, systematically erroded the ability of the common man to make his life his own, rather than being constantly under threat from a new government levy of some sort.

They owe us their throats, let alone a livelihood with which they cannot interfere. They are traitors to the people, they have sold us out to big business, and they have never paid the price.

Governments big enough to give you everything you need is big enough to take everything you have.

Every single one of the issues you described in this paragraph, in the US at least, has a corresponding government agency involved with budgets in the 10s of billions..My guess is the UK is really no different. These agencies are responsible for prosecuting crimes committed within their jurisdiction, they are responsible for investigating fraud, waste, and abuse, they are responsible for making sure-at least on paper-that you as a tax payer are getting a fair shake according to the philosophies that brought them into existence in the first place...And all the while there were those like us who warned of the dangers of incrementalism and the large bloated governments that it creates. Only later, when that very government that statist ideology helped create in the name of building a more "equal society" starts eating itself alive, and in turn, your livelihoods do you complain...But do you clamor for a reduction in the size and scope of government power? Nope! You ask for more of it.

Western society is quickly becoming a collection of masochistic socialists begging for more abuse, because after so many years of dependency and let downs, they keep coming back for more...Is it any wonder the rulers laugh at us so?

Democracy is Tyranny, rule of the Mob.
Thats why we have the Republic, the rule of Law.

Democracy is a horrible idea because the Mindless Mob only thinks in terms of emotions and base desires.

Those who support Democracy actually favor Lynchings with no trial.
The mob decides remember?

There is a very good reason we have checks and balances designed to strip power from the mob.

I am actually disturbed how commonplace emotional attitudes are, and how rare logic is.

Also to those who keep saying MY COUNTRY.

Its NOT YOURS!
Its OURS! We gotta share it.

You cannot just declare a policy idea as valid simply because you live here.

You need valid reasons why a policy is good or bad.

Its NOT your country, it belongs to everyone equally.

Many dont realize it but they are becoming tyrannical in their ideals.

benrl

Domo1
I really didn't like Brand when I first became aware of him, but that has changed drastically, and for a while now I've thought him incredibly bright, articulate and hysterical. I agree with a lot of the things he was saying, and wasn't surprised when I finished the video quite impressed with his points and delivery. We need to get him on ATS live.

Oh he annoyed the crap out of me, Until I heard him on Stern and actually listened to what he was saying. But he freely speaks his mind and intelligently about anything that's put to him.

Given his history and free-thinking attitude, I can see why he's making waves. Much like Howard Stern, he's batttling the system openly, face-to-face, loudly. At his young age, he's way ahead of the game and he's been through a lot. He seems to have his crap together for some time now. He's amazingly entertaining by the way, I wasn't annoyed. In fact, I watched a dozen of his videos in a row. I was kinda star struck. He'll get a following if he asks for it the right way AND takes action...quickly.