Russel Brand: The time for Revolution is now.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Abundance built on the backs of third world labor, and paid for by the blood sweat and tears of the domestic working class of a nation is not worth it.

Greed is mans most prevalent vice, and we will do some mental gymnastics to justify it.

To those doing well it's hard to bring yourself to see the cost of it, even if you had no direct participation in waging that cost.

It's hard to look at all the shiny technology people own, and see it was built by under aged, overworked, underpayed employees. In such misery that the factory's producing or iPhones, androids devices, pc, shoes, clothing, etc, all have to have suicide rates...

Go consumerism...

It's sad to see people not even willing to consider there is something wrong.

reply to post by Zen24

Exactly, instead of discussing productive solutions to a peaceful revolution and lasting change for the better of all. People objectify Brand, letting his past influence their opinion of the words he speaks. If a person they see as respectable said the same thing, they'd react totally different.

So for some reason to sing his praise for opinions he holds is all well and good, but disagreeing with him isn't? I don't really care about the mans past. I care whether he's funny or not.

I will never understand why people put so much stock into the opinions of privileged celebrities.

I'd just like to add my two cents to this discussion as a Brit who has known of Brand since '96ish on MTV.
Back then he was on TV and visibly on every drug under the sun.

I actually think the guy is genuine, I've seen him on interviews like Howard Stern, Paxman (previously), Norm macdonald and Johnathan Ross.

What changed my feeling on him was his old TV's show, where he would help homeless people and drug addicts and many other people who were in a bad way.

He didn't patronise anyone, he spoke to homeless guy the same way he spoke to the person in charge of helping Homeless people (who could be doing more)
Same for drug addicts and the Drug Councillors who where saying methadone was a great help, having lived through heroin addiction he DESTROYED her opinion. He could not lose, he had lived it.

I've noticed whenever he gets passioniate about a subject, he is not reading a script, he is not making wild on the spot nonsense, he is speaking from himself, the people he knows and the people he has met on his for a better word Journey.

He can carry an audience, he has some talent, which is why he always lands on his feet.

Someone above mentioned him acting like a mirror, put him on the Howard Stern show he is articulate but over the top (much like stern)
Put him on Paxman he is a political activist.

I see some truth in that, he gels with a lot of people.

I'm pretty certain he is not a goat sacrficing, child molesting, devil worshipper.

I wish him well and hope he stays on this current path.

reply to post by teachtaire


Apologies, I didn't follow that. Please elaborate

Taggart
I'd just like to add my two cents to this discussion as a Brit who has known of Brand since '96ish on MTV.
Back then he was on TV and visibly on every drug under the sun.

I actually think the guy is genuine, I've seen him on interviews like Howard Stern, Paxman (previously), Norm macdonald and Johnathan Ross.

What changed my feeling on him was his old TV's show, where he would help homeless people and drug addicts and many other people who were in a bad way.

He didn't patronise anyone, he spoke to homeless guy the same way he spoke to the person in charge of helping Homeless people (who could be doing more)
Same for drug addicts and the Drug Councillors who where saying methadone was a great help, having lived through heroin addiction he DESTROYED her opinion. He could not lose, he had lived it.

I've noticed whenever he gets passioniate about a subject, he is not reading a script, he is not making wild on the spot nonsense, he is speaking from himself, the people he knows and the people he has met on his for a better word Journey.

He can carry an audience, he has some talent, which is why he always lands on his feet.

Someone above mentioned him acting like a mirror, put him on the Howard Stern show he is articulate but over the top (much like stern)
Put him on Paxman he is a political activist.

I see some truth in that, he gels with a lot of people.

I'm pretty certain he is not a goat sacrficing, child molesting, devil worshipper.

I wish him well and hope he stays on this current path.

I agree. I can sense his authentic compassion

projectvxn
reply to post by Zen24

 

Exactly, instead of discussing productive solutions to a peaceful revolution and lasting change for the better of all. People objectify Brand, letting his past influence their opinion of the words he speaks. If a person they see as respectable said the same thing, they'd react totally different.

So for some reason to sing his praise for opinions he holds is all well and good, but disagreeing with him isn't? I don't really care about the mans past. I care whether he's funny or not.

I will never understand why people put so much stock into the opinions of privileged celebrities.

See you jump to the other end of the spectrum. It makes no difference who he is, the words are the importance. It doesn't matter if a ten year old said it. I've said it 20 times on this thread, a moneyless local self sustaining thread of communities is the brightest solution in my eyes. What say ye?

reply to post by Zen24


I say it's a fantasy that can only be made a reality through technological innovation. Right now the only way we'll get there is through economic liberty.

His words mean nothing to me. As I said, I only care if he's funny.

reply to post by Zen24


Some people Zen, can't see the forest for the trees.

They see the messenger and dismiss his words.

No mater the truth they contain.

I'll be the first to say I don't agree with him on many points he makes(and I did in my OP)

But I recognize the intelligence and thoughtfulness of the man, and I see his passion.

I agree something is very wrong in the world, and that is enough for me to at-least hear his idea.

I can entertain a thought with out accepting it, and I can admit when someone has a point.

But as you see so many cases here on ats where simply listening is too much to even ask.

reply to post by Zen24


My statement regarded your statement that morality didn't exist and everything was a matter of the degree of ignorance.

reply to post by projectvxn


it must be nice to live in a world of such back and white certainty.

I would love to be able to dismiss an idea solely on the basis of what the person does for a living.

To be able to arbitrarily decide what facts or opinions I shall ignore simply on the bases of whose saying it.

Must make life so much easier to be so self confident in the rightness of your own views to not even have to allow any internal questioning.

Such rigidity of though has surely served mankind well over the years.

reply to post by benrl

it must be nice to live in a world of such back and white certainty.

Is there a particular reason you feel the need to be condescending?

I would love to be able to dismiss an idea solely on the basis of what the person does for a living.

It's not what he does for a living. It's the opinion itself I have no use for. It's regurgitated leftist crap from the 60s. Nothing new.

To be able to arbitrarily decide what facts or opinions I shall ignore simply on the bases of whose saying it.

It's not arbitrary, it's informed. And I don't care who is saying it.

Must make life so much easier to be so self confident in the rightness of your own views to not even have to allow any internal questioning.

That's what experience is for. I keep an open mind, but not so open my brain falls out.

Such rigidity of though has surely served mankind well over the years.

Stop acting as though this guy is saying anything new. He's not.

reply to post by teachtaire


Oh well, idk what you were meaning. Can't tell if ya agree or not sorry

reply to post by Zen24


sure thing kiddo, viewing posts from other pages is difficult on this newfangled machine.

samerulesapply
You know what, reading over this thread and the various replies, you can clearly see the divide.

On the one hand we've got people who respect Brand for being so outspoken, highlighting important issues in an articulate, intelligent manner.

On the other we've got those who somehow seem to think Brand doesn't deserve to have an opinion. One side values freedom, the other side seems not to.

Even paxman...asking Russell what qualifies him to edit a political magazine...um, the fact that he's human? What qualifications does one need?

Russell is free to state his opinions as are we here on ATS...so he has a wider audience, and? That somehow calls his motives into question? Who are we or Paxman, or anyone for that matter...to deny him his right to an opinion, or to talk about political issues because he's a comedian/actor?

As for where did he come from...where does anyone come from? Do you only trust celebrities who have been in the public arena since birth? Because I don't iknow of many of those...he got where he is because, believe it or not, he's got some talent and is actually well liked by a lot of people.

This thread shows the two sides...those who admire Russell for being outspoken and saying it like it is want freedom, change - those who want to deny him his basic human rights perhaps think things are fine as they are, and are happy to talk as though brand doesn't deserve basic human rights.

I want to hear him, and so do others...it's his choice to speak and our choice to listen, and your choice to ignore him. Nobody has the right to deny him anything but their attention. Some people are so trapped in the current mindset they're even denying themselves their own basic rights.

Pathetic.

Bravo! Well said.
Wake up the sleepy brainwashed ignorant masses!!

Truly amazing, Brand hid behind the joker veil till he could take no more then he let the real Russel Brand out and rained hell on the reporter.

Can anyone tell me of a Revolution that has ever worked ?. The only thing that works is the system we have. It works because we give all our rights to a small group of people who make all the decisions for us so we dont need to worry and can blame everything on other people. This small group of people then give us greed so we feel like we advance with in the system, but by doing so we are controlled .
Revolution only brings a different group of people into power who end up doing the same as the group they replaced.

Sadly I tend towards the cynical nowadays.

I used to think Brand was nothing more than a pretentious, self-obsessed prick - that opinion has changed somewhat since I took the time to see through the persona and actually listened to what he says.

I don't necessarily agree with everything he says but I believe Brand to be genuine in his intentions and refreshingly candid, considered and articulated in his approach and delivery.

projectvxn
reply to post by benrl

 

it must be nice to live in a world of such back and white certainty.

Is there a particular reason you feel the need to be condescending?

I would love to be able to dismiss an idea solely on the basis of what the person does for a living.

It's not what he does for a living. It's the opinion itself I have no use for. It's regurgitated leftist crap from the 60s. Nothing new.

To be able to arbitrarily decide what facts or opinions I shall ignore simply on the bases of whose saying it.

It's not arbitrary, it's informed. And I don't care who is saying it.

Must make life so much easier to be so self confident in the rightness of your own views to not even have to allow any internal questioning.

That's what experience is for. I keep an open mind, but not so open my brain falls out.

Such rigidity of though has surely served mankind well over the years.

Stop acting as though this guy is saying anything new. He's not.

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Not a fan I take it.
A lot of people are agreeing with his message and considering Brands reputation it shows how well the message is resonating.

If I had to ask you one question, which part do YOU dispute? All of it?

reply to post by Taggart



A lot of people agree with Barack Obama.

A lot of people agree with Bush.

A lot of people agree with Rush Limbagh

A lot of people agree Ed Schultz.

That doesn't mean I have to.

I disagree with his assertions on the basis of notional class warfare. That some how it is us vs. them. That citizens of means do not have the same concerns as those of us who have more modest modus vivendis.

Is he right to say we live in a society whose rulers are far separated from the people? Absolutely. Is he right in criticizing the political class who run an oligarchic society? Yes.

Are his ideas for solutions to these problems effectual and nested in ideals that would set us free, or simply enslave us to a new class of tyranny, only with more feel-good aesthetics? I vote the former rather than the latter. My educated guess is that Brand would be one of the many who would be caught up on the shiny things stemming from the latter, while missing the distance created from the former.

reply to post by benrl


Russel Brand is an lunatic agitator, there is much in the public domain linking him to the very groups that are behind the entire NWO conspiracy and their cause, it pays to know the messenger and their true motives.

It is to incite a revolution but not for any good reason except to further the grip of the government and it's security arm thus further eroding the average citizens rights and freedoms....

Do not fall for this idiot, he needs to stay in his own lane as an actor or whatever he is supposed to be.

Any Revolution talk he has is straight from the playbook of some of the previous ones in history, like the Bolshevik Revolution.

It was all for the benefit of the banksters.