"You Might Hate Obamacare, But It's Saved These People's Lives "

reply to post by Daedalus


I just do not know where you guys get your facts from. I started paying into Soc Sec in 1968, I can show you my statement. I applied a month before my 62nd birthday and received my first check a month after my 62nd birthday. I use to think it was not going to be there for me either, but I really appreciate it now.

MOMof3
reply to post by Daedalus

 

I just do not know where you guys get your facts from. I started paying into Soc Sec in 1968, I can show you my statement. I applied a month before my 62nd birthday and received my first check a month after my 62nd birthday. I use to think it was not going to be there for me either, but I really appreciate it now.

You might want to do some research on that issue...

Social Security’s total expenditures have exceeded non-interest income of its combined trust funds since 2010, and the Trustees estimate that Social Security cost will exceed non-interest income throughout the 75-year projection period. The deficit of non-interest income relative to cost was about $49 billion in 2010, $45 billion in 2011, and $55 billion in 2012.

The Trustees project that this cash-flow deficit will average about $75 billion between 2013 and 2018 before rising steeply as income growth slows to the sustainable trend rate after the economic recovery is complete and the number of beneficiaries continues to grow at a substantially faster rate than the number of covered workers. Redemption of trust fund asset reserves by the General Fund of the Treasury will provide the resources needed to offset Social Security’s annual aggregate cash-flow deficits. Since the cash-flow deficit will be less than interest earnings through 2020, reserves of the combined trust funds measured in current dollars will continue to grow, but not by enough to prevent the ratio of reserves to one year’s projected cost (the combined trust fund ratio) from declining. (This ratio peaked in 2008, declined through 2012, and is expected to decline steadily in future years.)

After 2020, Treasury will redeem trust fund asset reserves to the extent that program cost exceeds tax revenue and interest earnings until depletion of total trust fund reserves in 2033, the same year projected in last year’s Trustees Report. Thereafter, tax income would be sufficient to pay about three-quarters of scheduled benefits through 2087.

www.ssa.gov...

reply to post by Willtell


How can it have saved these people's lives when we are only in the "sign up" phase of the ACA? The enforcement stage is now, the available coverage surfaces next year.

Government can't make products or services less expensive.
It can only take from one, and give to another.

Obamadontcare is nothing more than a massive top down, iron fisted,redistribution SCAM.

Does anyone know personally any of those people in the pictures holding up the cards at the beginning of this thread?

I wondered because I had heard that people cannot sign up to 'O' care on line ( it's not working) and wondered, since it hadn't started running yet how what they say could be possible if people can't sign on!

Don't jump on me!

Just asking?

reply to post by Deetermined


So sometime in the future it will be broke? Or it could go broke? My generation is not going to live forever. Maybe another 15 yrs beyond retirement for most of us. And through Obamacare or not, rationing is my peers future, simply because fighting a disease like cancer is risking your home and everything you worked for through bankruptcy. Maybe there is no future for soc sec because there will be no need with our current birth levels.

reply to post by Deetermined


I just know our experience with pre-existing conditions. His job does not offer insurance. His insurance is through the college. Ameriben, I think. He was happy that he could get insurance until they would not cover his asthma or back as pre-existing and there was no waiting period specified. It was because of the new rules and a letter to our senator that the insurance company relented.

reply to post by bjax9er


Exactly, goverment can not make products cheaper they just used lots of tax dollars to pay for subsidies, that add to the burden of the debt in the nation, regardless of Obama telling that they are saving money at the end, they will not the debt will get worst as the government doesn't make money they just get it from tax payers, that is how they finance their waste and abuse.

When it comes to Obamacare subsidies pay directly to the insurance companies are a big tax payer pay out or bailout for them.

The irony.

reply to post by Willtell


The truth about where the Huffington Post comes from, then you understand why is used for propaganda by the Democratic party. While Fox news has been viewed as a leg of the GOP and I don't denied that I love how they like to expose each other, see the truth is still there, thanks for political rivalries.

Political junkies would recognize that level of anti-Republican vitriol and readily identify the perpetrator – Huffington Post. HuffPo, as it is sometimes called, has evolved from a simple news aggregator into one of the most sophisticated propaganda operations the world has ever seen.

The site was started by political chameleon Arianna Huffington, who used to be conservative before she discovered it was far more lucrative to be liberal. The zeros that entrepreneur Huffington paid bloggers for their content came back to her as $20 million to $30 million or more, along with $4 million a year. That was part of the $315 million sale to AOL that turned Huffington into a media mogul and the most powerful propagandist since a guy named Goebbels.

www.foxnews.com...

Then how can we forget the tax payer dollars that are used by the Obama administration to push the Obamacare

the Obama Administration found some money in their budget to spend on PR to do a pro-media blitz on ObamaCare (cite: 7-14-2013 Forbes "Health Industry Begins Marketing Blitz To Educate About Obamacare," by Bruce Japsen). Much of this government money and funds were supposed to be used to educate the public in case of things like Birdflu, such as where to get vaccinated or what to do to minimize your chances of getting it, however this money was now being diverted for propaganda because no one wants ObamaCare.

Now, not even the unions who are the major Democrat supporters (cite: 7-12-2013 Washington Times "Electrical workers union jumps aboard anti-Obamacare bus," by Cheryl K Chumley), so apparently the Obama Administration PR machine is in full force hoping to use the media to support their last push forward to implement (cite: USA Today "Jarrett is Eager to Engage Before Showdown" 7-30-2013).

ezinearticles.com...

I don't have to be a genius to put two and two together and see the article from the Huff post as what it is.

If the ACA was so good for so many people, why won't the government tell us how many people signed up in the first week?

www.mediaite.com...


Nobody doubts the ills of our medical and health systems. The solution isn't going to be had by forcing the middle class to pay more or be penalized. All this will do is reduce the household wealth of the middle class, creating an even larger divide between the wealthy and the not wealthy.

Crakeur
If the ACA was so good for so many people, why won't the government tell us how many people signed up in the first week?

www.mediaite.com...


Nobody doubts the ills of our medical and health systems. The solution isn't going to be had by forcing the middle class to pay more or be penalized. All this will do is reduce the household wealth of the middle class, creating an even larger divide between the wealthy and the not wealthy.

I don't disagree with that. The ACA will be good for certain groups of people -- those who are below poverty level, and those with pre-existing conditions. The rest of us probably won't benefit very much, and some of us will even be worse off.

To make this good for everyone, the government needs to highly regulate all the healthcare industries, including the insurance companies, big Pharma, hospitals, and even doctors (although I don't think doctors are a big problem). Government needs to put a cap on the amount of profits that can be made - to keep costs down. Costs need to be regulated. They can still make big profits, just not an obscene amount of profit. We need to have a system whereby there is a mandated charge, but in return, healthcare costs are extremely low or even free. All of these $5,000 and $10,000 deductibles are insane. You can blame the insurance companies for that. And the hospitals are in cahoots with the insurance companies, which is why they charge $600 for an aspirin. Same deal with big Pharma. They help each other to make an obscene amount of profit. It needs to be stopped.

reply to post by kaylaluv


We all agree that the corruption of capitalism needs to be stopped, after all it was supposed to be beneficial for all of us, not a certain class in the nation.

But when you see the incredible amounts of campaign money that fills the coffers of politicians in the nation, you will understand that without legislation it will be impossible to regulate corporations.

Legislation to control how much money can corporations can give away has been in the table for many years but politicians can never bite the hand that feed them.

Now you understand why government is no serving the people anymore.

How insurance were behind the Obamacare mandate

Top contributors and which parties got the most of their money,

Insurance companies staunchly oppose the idea of a government-provided health insurance option, which President Barack Obama and most congressional Democrats support. These businesses fear that implementing a “public option” will eventually lead to “single-payer” health care, which they say would mean the collapse of their industry. Insurers believe that even if they survive the presence of a government competitor in the market, their profits will decline sharply, as the federal government will be able to negotiate for lower premiums and drug costs. Insurance companies, however, support the concept of mandates requiring individuals or their employers to buy coverage, since this would increase the number of potential customers. To date, 47 million Americans lack health insurance. Millions more decry the high costs of care.

www.opensecrets.org...

Big pharma

The pharmaceutical and health products industry -- it includes not only drug manufacturers but also dealers of medical products and nutritional and dietary supplements -- is consistently one of the top industries for federal campaign contributions. (Pharmaceutical manufacturers are a subset of this industry and are profiled in detail within this section.)

The industry’s political generosity increased in the years leading up to Congress’ passage in 2003 of a prescription drug benefit in Medicare. Contributions from the industry declined in the 2004 cycle, however, following the elimination of unlimited “soft” money contributions to the national political parties. The pharmaceutical industry has traditionally supported Republican candidates. But as Democrats have seized Congress and the White House in recent cycles, industry advocates have steadily become more generous toward traditional foes. These companies’ contributions split evenly during the 2008 cycle, after the GOP received two-thirds of drug company contributions in the run-up to the 2006 cycle

www.opensecrets.org...

All the problems in the US lies with the way our politicians disregard the will of the people for corporate money.

reply to post by kaylaluv


You and I don't agree much, but there should already be laws avaliable that would prevent price gouging, profiteering, or coercive monopolies.

The problem is enforcing them, lobbyists, and lawyers.

reply to post by Willtell


I wonder how much they were paid to hold these signs up. I'm sorry, but I'm not buying it. My grandmother is in deep sh** now financially because she can't afford her medications as well with her other necessities.

My grandmother literally eats less than two hundred calories a day, she never uses her car unless it's important and doesn't splurge on anything. Yet, now she relies on the kindness of her doctors which she's had for quite a few years to give her a months worth of "samples" just to get her by.

Now this could just be Obamacare "Beta" where they're working out the kinks and finding out how much/little things will truly cost before they release Obamacare 1.0. But I doubt it, and it's still negatively impacting people like my grandmother. I'm just glad that I'm not stateside currently!

reply to post by kaylaluv


and, yet, they've turned over the keys to the insurers and opted to ignore oversight, other than on the penalties and subsidies.

The majority of US citizens will now pay more, a handful will benefit and a handful are too wealthy to care. The only area the wealthy will be hit will be for those that own corporations with large payrolls that now have to be covered and, so far, many employers are cutting back on the hours per worker to get around this system. This will hurt the government in the long run because they will now be deemed temporary workers and they will have to sign up for obamacare and they will be getting subsidies which means more tax dollars diverted away, resulting in a need for more taxes.


Obamacare is a time bomb in many areas.


The fact that, after 3 years of planning for the launch, the government couldn't even get the website to work properly is a frightening indication of where this is heading.

After reading through all the replies, I cannot really add anything regarding the article, other than to agree that it is blatant propaganda.

It has been suggested that the OP belongs in the HOAX bin. I will suggest that maybe it belongs on the Jokes forum, because that is exactly what this admin is...One big bad joke.

Crakeur
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

The fact that, after 3 years of planning for the launch, the government couldn't even get the website to work properly is a frightening indication of where this is heading.

They irony, three years to get the Obamacare Website working but rather guess what Obama did with the money and where came from.

Army Of IRS Enforcers Can't Make ObamaCare Legitimate

That's why the behemoth ObamaCare bill sneakily left out the detail that it intended to hire 500 Internal Revenue Service agents to enforce the unpopular mandate, while 300 other IRS operatives would be added to push "free" benefits to the indigent to ensure their complete dependence on the state.

Cost: Half a billion dollars, paid for off-the-books by taxpayers through a massive $1 billion Health and Human Services slush fund that got tucked into the bill.

The only conclusion from this stealth move is that the Obama administration expects massive noncompliance from taxpayers with its unpopular mandate.

And that raises questions about its legitimacy as a law. Passed through trickery, bribery and without a bipartisan majority, ObamaCare is already on shaky ground.

news.investors.com...

No money to get a website working but already half a billion to deal with the dissidents.

The irony.

MOMof3
I just do not know where you guys get your facts from. I started paying into Soc Sec in 1968, I can show you my statement. I applied a month before my 62nd birthday and received my first check a month after my 62nd birthday. I use to think it was not going to be there for me either, but I really appreciate it now.

I'm honestly flattered you appreciate receiving the money myself and others paid into the system during the 80's and 90's. And, I'm honored as well.

But I wonder where SS will be for me, having started paying into it in 1986; 18 years and trillions of dollars of government debt after you did.

You ever wondered why the IRS is running the ACA otherwise known as ObamaCare? It is because the only way the Supreme Court would uphold it as a law is because the ACA is a TAX. Another unwanted tax by the socialist party(s) in charge of our government.

Obama Care or the ACA is not a real insurance company. It only levies penalties to Americans when they do not have insurance and do not purchase insurance.

I'm still searching for what the ACA does to insurance companies if they refuse to insure an individual. Probably nothing as I personally believe the insurance companies are in on the scam as well.

I wonder if enough Americans file suit could we get this nullified and get big government out of our healthcare as well as stop controlling the majority of our lives.

NightFlight
You ever wondered why the IRS is running the ACA otherwise known as ObamaCare? It is because the only way the Supreme Court would uphold it as a law is because the ACA is a TAX. Another unwanted tax by the socialist party(s) in charge of our government.

Obama Care or the ACA is not a real insurance company. It only levies penalties to Americans when they do not have insurance and do not purchase insurance.

I'm still searching for what the ACA does to insurance companies if they refuse to insure an individual. Probably nothing as I personally believe the insurance companies are in on the scam as well.

I wonder if enough Americans file suit could we get this nullified and get big government out of our healthcare as well as stop controlling the majority of our lives.

The long arm of the revenuers/IRS has really worked well.. slap a tax on something and you can force your greedy megalomaniacal will on others.. with threat of incarceration, financial ruin, and even death. People arent learning from history it seems.