"You Might Hate Obamacare, But It's Saved These People's Lives "

reply to post by MsAphrodite


You're right it's Justice Roberts.

The issue is that because the states sued about the ability for congress to levy taxes. How that tax effects a private individual is a completely different matter entirely.

What Roberts said in context was, "the individual mandate can be seen as a tax, so I rule that States can't challenge the law levied by congress because it is a tax."

Now when an individual gets hit by the IRS that matter will be, can the Congress tax an individual for not buying a private product.

reply to post by Timing


Actually the case that went in front of the Supreme Court was regarding the Commerce Clause. The ACA had to be declared a tax because it did in fact violate the Commerce Clause.

reply to post by MsAphrodite


Since fines will be imposed due to non-payment of a tax each citizen will have a right to a jury trial to prove that the person did in fact break the law. The Supreme Court will hear it one more time, because the law was upheld for the ability of Congress to levy taxes.

Not the constitutionality of Congress to force people to purchase a private product.

reply to post by Willtell

So far in 2013 the value of the S& P health insurance index has gained 43%. Thats more than double the gains made in the broad stock market index, the S & P 500. The shares of CIGNA are up 63%, Wellpoint 47% and United Healthcare 28%.

So much for the reforms embedded in the mis-labeled Affordable Care Act of 2010. It may not die a bloody demise this month, but it is certain to be reformed itself, let’s hope for the benefit of the 300 million, not just the millions of lucky shareholders who may have understood the ramification of ObamaCare, which was to multiply the profits of five giant insurance companies, just as the major bank oligopoly was rewarded by the federal bailouts and Fed monetary policy.

ObamaCare Enriches Only The Health Insurance Giants and Their Shareholders

Unfortunately, ANYONE can Photoshop pictures nowadays.

See?

sonnny1
reply to post by Willtell

 

Unfortunately, ANYONE can Photoshop pictures nowadays.

See?

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Now THAT one *IS* genuine !!!!

Backed up *and* certified by facts !!!

As I mentioned earlier, Obama was the top recipient of donations from the health care industry, as a whole, up through mid 2009, dwarfing McCain's contributions by a factor of two... $20+ million to Obama, less than $10 million to McCain, and 6 of the top ten recipients of donations from health care were Democrats, and the majority of the top 5 recipients were Democrats.

Can someone please explain why it seems Republicans are alleged to be 'in bed' with health care companies but Democrats receive far more money from them?

PtolemyII
Ummm, no one is insured yet.
It went into effect a week ago. I think even after you pay premiums it takes at least a month to go into affect.
Half the sign ups didn't go through properly. So people who think they are covered aren't.

How has it saved anyone's life, in seven days?
Talk about propaganda.

Excuse me while I roll my eyes for ten minutes over this one.
Can't be helped

this is gonna get old...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by okrian


I'm not so sure about that since I applied to get health insurance from a company here in Oregon a few months and was denied because I take blood pressure medication. Unless I am mistaken (and I have looked into this) the preexisting condition aspect doesn't take effect until the new policies are issued 1/1/2014. The whole preexisting condition part of Obamatax is the main reason why insurance companies are raising their premiums on the majority of individuals and companies come January 1st 2014. So I may ask "where have you been for the past 3 years? The only thing that I am aware of Obama doing as far as health insurance is concerned ( medical tax day 1/1/2014) is removing the lifetime maximum that most insurance companies limited to $1million on past policies.

kdyam
reply to post by okrian

 

I'm not so sure about that since I applied to get health insurance from a company here in Oregon a few months and was denied because I take blood pressure medication. Unless I am mistaken (and I have looked into this) the preexisting condition aspect doesn't take effect until the new policies are issued 1/1/2014. The whole preexisting condition part of Obamatax is the main reason why insurance companies are raising their premiums on the majority of individuals and companies come January 1st 2014. So I may ask "where have you been for the past 3 years? The only thing that I am aware of Obama doing as far as health insurance is concerned ( medical tax day 1/1/2014) is removing the lifetime maximum that most insurance companies limited to $1million on past policies.

Funny, isn't it? ... and I don't mean that in the humorous way.
TV and movies always have [insert gruff, deep voice] "Coming soon...." or similar disclaimers.

Maybe legislation should have similar requirements to alert the people as to what is coming down the pike?

You mean to tell me all of those people's lives were saved after signing up last week? WOO-HOO!! This isn't affordable care...this is magic! Unicorns, fairies and elves will be showing up at my doorstep to cure me if I just sign up!!!....enough sarcasm...

Seriously, this thread is typical liberal propaganda trash that insults the intellect of anyone with an IQ over 80.

Nobody is signing up because not only can they not afford it but it's a total fascist power-grab that just makes a bad system worse! Face it liberals, Bush sold us out and started trashing this country and putting us down the tubes and instead of fixing the problems, this puppet of the CFR, Trilateral Commission, Military and Healthcare Industrial Complex has hoodwinked all of you into believing he was going to change it all. Instead, he just continues the same agenda while you all still believe his crap. Obamacare is what it was designed to do...be a failure so they can prepare the ultimate power-grab...The single-payer system which means total government / big-pharma control of your lives. Congrats you statist fools!

reply to post by maddog99


-sigh-

somebody didn't read the thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by AshleyD


Actually the problem is control. (Well, there is more than one problem, I should have written "one of the problems is control/regulation") You think there is no control because "healthcare corporations" have set the price of medicine too high, but the fact is that regulations made that happen.

Regulation monopolizes industries where only a few giants have the ability to make products or create services and then charge whatever they want, but if there was more competition the prices would in fact lower naturally. But that is not a choice anymore because regulations have made it possible for a few giant "pharmaceutical corporations" to monopolize medicine.


As things stand there is no way to fix the system unless everything is completely scrapped and we start over. The healthcare giants will always win. Unfortunately there are people who to this day think that the pharmaceutical giants do not want Obamacare when they LOVE IT.

reply to post by xuenchen


Actually someone photoshopped that one. You can see the tips of her fingers cut off by whoever did that, it was close thou. However, the message is true.

nevermind....bunch of photoshops I see now...btw...good reply

reply to post by Daedalus


We agree about the wall street thieves. I just don't like the tone I hear from the younger generation trying to blame soc sec on the people who worked 40yrs paid into it most their lives. The baby boomers did not start the system, we were born into it. College was not an option for most of us at that time, so we began paying into the system very young.

reply to post by sheepslayer247

I am watching this slo-mo train wreck from South Africa-and it is with sympathy and concern that i wonder how many people are going to suffer because of this healthcare system.
As i read more and more posts from folks like myself+my family,"Joe or Jill Average"-people without even the financial ability to save for emergencies/old age-i wonder how many stress-induced illnesses will come about as a result of this new system that you are apparently forced to buy-or face fines.And i won't even start on the bit about having to pay the fines-what the Hell?

What has become apparent to me,from reading JUST on ATS alone-is that many,many people cannot afford this system-and having to pay a penalty for choosing to not have part of a system you cannot afford in the 1st place-it is just surreal.

What happened to a citizen's right to say:"No thank you,it would be nice,but i cannot afford it,so i decline"

I don't know if the people holding the posters(in the OP) are actors,if they could have had those surgeries in the timeframe allowed-but that is not really the point.The point is-what does it matter if you help one,but 200 suffer stress-related illness and/or poverty/genuine financial ruin/have to work themselves into an early grave anyway-because of it? What if 200 little kids have to go without much needed items,and suffer in homes wrecked by the stress this system is going to put on their parents?Because that is how this trickles down in a practical way,if you are in financial dire straits and living from paycheck to paycheck,it adds enormous stress on even the most loving and tightly-knit family unit-and the parents are continuously sad because they cannot give their children some needed items,leave alone the odd little treat now +then.All adding up to depressed people with barely any quality of life.And from what i see,there are going to be many of those,this penalty for declining just does not sound fair,or right.

Is there not a way the citizens who cannot afford the ACA,and barely the penalty,can unite and bring a class action lawsuit-because having to pay a penalty for not being able to afford something in the 1st place is both ludicrous and cruelly draconian?

The only possible way this OP to be correct is for today's date to be April 1st, 2014.
Why?
Because ACA policies BEGIN JANUARY 1ST, 2014.
Worst Hoax ever on ATS...

For those saying these people were helped in 2010, as a result of PCIP . . . me thinks they were a little old to have been covered on the "immediate" inception.

The immediate coverage only was for children (below 19) that were not covered on a parent's exisiting coverage . . .

Everyone else has to wait until 1/1/2014.

Effective September 2010, children (below age 19) with pre-existing conditions may not be denied access to their parents' health plan and insurance companies will no longer be allowed to insure a child, but exclude treatments for that child's pre-existing condition.

Starting in 2014, this provision will apply to adults as well. Until 2014, the information below remains valid for anyone over age 19.

A pre-existing condition can affect your health insurance coverage. If you are applying for insurance, some health insurance companies may accept you conditionally by providing a pre-existing condition exclusion period.

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reply to post by solomons path


nice find.

reply to post by solomons path

B...but...how can this be false?...It came from the Huffington post!