"You Might Hate Obamacare, But It's Saved These People's Lives "

reply to post by Willtell


I cannot blame you for being grateful for the crumbs...forgive me if I am not.

AlienScience
reply to post by Willtell

 

As you can see from the vitriolic replies, people don't care about other people...they only care about their narrow ideology.

The ACA is saving lives, and people seem to HATE that fact...they would rather these people die than admit that the ACA is saving peoples lives.

It's ugly, but it is the reality...there is a group of people in this country that care for no one except themselves and their ideology.

If you really believe more peoples lives are going to be saved due to obamacare than lives lost you are willfully not paying attention.

Millions are losing full time work and their healthcare, or are going to pay the fine rather than get any coverage because they can't afford it. Even the ones that do buy it are likely to skip check ups cause they can't afford the copays and deductibles. This will lead to uncaught issues and more deaths.

You Libs are so stupid you think just because a few uninsurable now have coverage the ACA is spectacular. I despise people that make decisions based on simplistic emotional appeals, you are easily manipulated sheep being led to slaughter and you don't even know it.

reply to post by Advantage

Amen to that. And peace to you! You've seen the inside of the PICU even more than we have. Sending my best wishes to your family and to your girl. I'm praying we won't eventually need a transplant for my boy - so far so good, but now what they did to fix him is causing liver damage in the kids that have managed to live long enough to discover the side effects of the original surgeries. *sigh* So I'm grateful for the "No Caps" on insurance coverage now, too... But its all ridiculously expensive to begin with.

Once you've been there, you start to get just how incredibly messed up the whole system is - its overwhelming.

- AB

AlienScience
reply to post by Willtell

 

As you can see from the vitriolic replies, people don't care about other people...they only care about their narrow ideology.

The ACA is saving lives, and people seem to HATE that fact...they would rather these people die than admit that the ACA is saving peoples lives.

It's ugly, but it is the reality...there is a group of people in this country that care for no one except themselves and their ideology.

how hypocritical, narrow-minded, and short-sighted of you..

you assume because someone dislikes a bill that is bad, that this somehow translates to an overall lack of compassion or concern for their fellow man....

the ACA as a whole is not helping anyone....a SINGLE provision, that could have easily been passed on it's own, is doing some good for some folks...

the overall thrust of the bill is nothing but a blank check to the insurance companies that wrote the damned thing, and another blank check to the federal government...both of which are made out in our name....

it's intellectually dishonest to paint with such a broad brush..

AboveBoard
reply to post by Advantage

 

Amen to that. And peace to you! You've seen the inside of the PICU even more than we have. Sending my best wishes to your family and to your girl. I'm praying we won't eventually need a transplant for my boy - so far so good, but now what they did to fix him is causing liver damage in the kids that have managed to live long enough to discover the side effects of the original surgeries. *sigh* So I'm grateful for the "No Caps" on insurance coverage now, too... But its all ridiculously expensive to begin with.

Once you've been there, you start to get just how incredibly messed up the whole system is - its overwhelming.

- AB

Thank you
You need an ear.. I have a good one. Anytime you need to talk or ask something.. go for it. I finally found the u2us.. so Ill get the message! LOL!

AlienScience
reply to post by Willtell

 

As you can see from the vitriolic replies, people don't care about other people...they only care about their narrow ideology.

The ACA is saving lives, and people seem to HATE that fact...they would rather these people die than admit that the ACA is saving peoples lives.

It's ugly, but it is the reality...there is a group of people in this country that care for no one except themselves and their ideology.

Oh, there ARE people I care for - I just don't care for everyone indiscriminately. I'm not everyone's friend, or their bankroll. That would require some supreme blindness on my part. I look out for my own, but it ain't my job to look out for everyone.

There comes a time when people have to stand on their own. Not my job to prop them up, and it is in fact a disservice to them, AND the rest of humanity.

My kids eventually had to learn to stand on their own, and thanked me for that ability. The rest of the world can do the same.

Willtell
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

You have to take what you can get in this system. It yields little. The powerful and the greedy have stolen the resources. We are not free to deny the crumbs we can get because there always will be some amongst us who will need those crumbs to survive.

wrong approach.

how about instead of accepting what they say and "taking what we can get", we force them to produce something more in line with what we ACTUALLY want? how about we stop letting our employees (house, senate, congress, etc) dictate the terms of how things will work? how about we start telling them how it will be? how about we stop letting the tail wag the dog?

reply to post by proximo


And you are a heartless ignorant person who only listens too other heartless ignorant and selfish people who are the source of this nations doom!

You haven't said one fact just lying talking points.

fire your dr permanently and live longer and healthier as a result.

Then for healthcare use Mike Adams Care, of naturalnews.com

conventional medicine is very risky. I'm not saying it's all bad. For say trauma care it's good. But nothing else.

Smart people, awake people, even many Dr's agree that convensional medicine should be used for trauma care only.

Out of like 128 Cancer Dr's interviewed, over 80% of them said they would not use Kemo if they got cancer because they said the risks outweigh the benefits"... Source: canceractive.com (Why? Because it's meant for sheeple stupid!)

But ya obamacare could be good in case of some trauma where you need help in an emergency.

wait a minute.... I've got it.... I'm gonna call it.... Ohtraumacare

Willtell

When you criticize it you are criticizing the political, cultural, and economic system of America.

Agreed, wholeheartedly. I just don't think we are criticizing the same aspects in the same way.

But yes, I agree that the political, cultural, and economic systems could stand a major overhaul and revamp.

I just think that an emphasis on self-reliance will get the country much farther than reliance on a nanny state. The spirit of self-reliance sure made us into a force to be reckoned with, before we started our downhill slide under nanny-statism.

Always remember - when someone gives you something, they can take it away just as easily... not only that, but once they get you to rely on them and their "giveaways", they own you, as in control you, and you are nothing more than a slave to them at that point, for they will threaten to withhold what they were giving as a measure to control those who have come to rely on that "benevolence".

reply to post by Daedalus


That would be fine, IF the country wasn’t lead by selfish and ignorant Republicans and Zionist led Democrats who work for corporations.

All your tough talk will get you no where until we do something ALL THE TIME like the nation did when it came together and stopped the Syrian bombing.

Willtell
reply to post by Daedalus

 

That would be fine, IF the country wasn’t lead by selfish and ignorant Republicans and Zionist led Democrats who work for corporations.

hey, how about we stop demonizing entire groups of people (republicans, democrats, etc), and focus on demonizing bad people?

a system like they have in the UK, Australia, or Canada can't work here at present...the social security system is proof of that...the federal government can't be trusted to manage isolated special-purpose funds, without replacing all the money with I.O.U.s......

as long as we can't trust them not to steal it all for the next big unauthorized military incursion, a REAL national universal system will never work here...

All your tough talk will get you no where until we do something ALL THE TIME like the nation did when it came together and stopped the Syrian bombing.

dafuq?

reply to post by solomons path



I agree the Huffington Post piece must be a hoax. The exchanges for "Obamacare" opened on 10/1 but that is just to sign up for coverage... the actual policies people buy don't go into effect until 1/1/2014. So I guess this means that these people were sent back to us via the governments time machine to tell us how nicely it is working in the future.

Good one Huffington Post!!!!

reply to post by nenothtu


Of course self reliance should be encouraged. Most people are more self- reliant then you think.

But when it comes to the health system, they have made it too expensive. What is a person to do with a hospital bill where an aspirin is 600 dollars?

Most people can’t and aren’t as self–reliant as your John Wayne type tough guy image, you have 300 million people in this country and the old cowboy days are over. People are now use to easier things.

But it is all in jeopardy because of what the greedy selfish politicians and corporate hogs have done.

Right now I don’t see an easy solution.

Though I will say this. There was a glimmer of hope in the recent national uproar over the Syrian intervention. But now with the Obamacare division its all for nothing.

Willtell
reply to post by Simon_Boudreaux

 

What’s your solution? You think for one minute that there are not people out there who need Obamacare to survive? Reflected in this op?
Or do you give a dam

My solution? How about those that need it or want it can sign up for it and leave those of us that don't alone instead of forcing us! How's that? Do I give a damn? I do for those that really need it.

Another...not with my taxes kind of guy

Yep! Because not only will I have to pay taxes on this I'll have to either pay out the ass to cover myself, my wife, and kids, or pay a fine on top of the taxes. Care to explain how that is done when my income has just been cut in half and I was barely getting by before that happened?

Then you live in fantasyland.

Not hardly. I live in reality. That reality is that millions of Americans are now losing a lot because their incomes have been cut in half so employers don't have to provide this crap, and on top of losing that income we now have to pay even more for insurance? Who lives in Fantasy land?

I have lived with the poor all my dam life and know about need

Don't even try to talk to me about poor buddy! I grew up in a single family home and watched my mother not eat many times to make sure her kids ate. I watched her lay in bed and cry because this utility or that utility was about to be turned off and there was no money to pay it. I've done homework by candle light more times than you could imagine.

In America you are either rich or poor, there are no more in betweens, no more middle class

Really? So there are no people in this country who aren't quite rich, but not poor?

reply to post by Daedalus


I must say to you that I wish there were more decent politicians. I can think of a few, but not many.

I don’t agree with your analysis. This country, imo, is capable of absorbing a national health system as good as any other country.

reply to post by Willtell


"I am Obama care" ?

I am myself.

Anyway, thanks to the ACA, my husband actually lost his full time job and the insurance coverage that he had. Now he's forced to pay for a higher plan through the ACA which we cannot afford.

kdyam
reply to post by solomons path

 

I agree the Huffington Post piece must be a hoax. The exchanges for "Obamacare" opened on 10/1 but that is just to sign up for coverage... the actual policies people buy don't go into effect until 1/1/2014. So I guess this means that these people were sent back to us via the governments time machine to tell us how nicely it is working in the future.

Good one Huffington Post!!!!

Exactly. This is a propaganda piece. Their insurance through the ACA has not gone into effect yet. This is how stupid they think the American people are.

reply to post by Simon_Boudreaux



All your success comes from this countries system. Therefore you owe it something. OF COUSRE TAXES SHOULD BE MODERATE.

If you want a business you benefit from hiring the people the system educates.

You have to send your kids to a school, public or private, that benefits from the public infrastructure.

If you want a house in a community you benefit from the fire department, police department, the roads, the garbage pick up, the bridges. All that is not free.

No man is an island.

The same thing goes for the greater society

We don’t want people dying in the street because they can’t get basic health care.

If we ever get the economy out of the hands of the greedy, then we can create a system where there are enough good jobs where people can be taken care of.

AlienScience
reply to post by Willtell

 

As you can see from the vitriolic replies, people don't care about other people...they only care about their narrow ideology.

The ACA is saving lives, and people seem to HATE that fact...they would rather these people die than admit that the ACA is saving peoples lives.

It's ugly, but it is the reality...there is a group of people in this country that care for no one except themselves and their ideology.

How is the ACA saving lives, when the plans do not go into effect until next year?

I don't want people to die, but at the same time I have to put food on our table. I have to pay my bills. I have to put a roof over my head, and with the ACA, I can't do ALL of those things. I have to care about my family as well. We were just sitting at our kitchen table earlier, figuring out the bills. I'm still trying to understand how we are going to have enough money for gas and food the 4th week of October. If I cut the internet, my husband cannot complete his classes. We are up against the wall.

The ACA doesn't have room for people who are living pay check to paycheck, or barely getting by. It's dictatorship where you pound your fist on the table and tell everyone AFFORD IT OR ELSE.

Now tell me how the ACA is saving my life?