Islam's Incorruptible Qur'an Is Corrupt

reply to post by Sahabi



The presentation you presented to refute the originality of the Qur'an is spectacular but the majority readers wouldn't know the fact that you have manufactured a great lie based on your fake theory and fake opinion but not 'factual' proof do denounce this supreme book. You renounce Islam because of your poorly research based on history and that's your choice but I know someone here who accepted Islam by learning science in the Qur'an .

Many critical thinkers believe that all religions are completely fabricated man-made lies that were invented in order to give power to evil men. I was one of these people as well, until I found proof after proof that the Quran couldn’t have been written by humans, especially not 1400 years ago. Being an atheist when I found these proofs, my initial conclusion was that the Quran had to have been written by Aliens.

There are basically two types of evidence that prove the Quran wasn’t written by humans: 1 type is encoded into the actual text, but differently than the “bible code”. The encoded text does not create new phrases or words like the bible code, instead it focuses on the repetition of certain words and letters. As I will show, this code is not baseless numerology. The other type of evidence is scientific “miracles”; things which would have been impossible for a human to know at the time.

I’ll talk about the scientific evidence first. The Quran talks about some of these proofs in allegorical terms, because the language was not developed enough to say them in truly scientific terms. For instance, the universe is claimed to be continually expanding:

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I tend to look at the professionals, not just home made wannabe!

The Miracle of All Miracles

reply to post by mekhanics

Dear mekhanics,

I believe Sahabi wanted a serious discussion, I'm not entirely sure that your contribution is really what you intended to post.

I'm sure you know that if you're quoting an outside source, you should indicate it with the proper brackets. But more important than that, you failed to include the headline of the article you quoted. Were you a little embarrassed to indicate that the title is:

Aliens Wrote the Quran? Proof it Wasn't Written by Humans.

Although, to be honest, I'd be unwilling to admit that was my source, too. Or is your position that Mohammad was an alien?

With respect,
Charles1952

reply to post by logical7

you do that, read this article first
sorry, it just amazes me how you manage to always end up with the same kind of "experts" and "survivors" of islam

OH, okay then. She's a "poseur" ....
and you post another pro-Islam site to "prove" it.

Did I not "predict" that you would try to defame Ms Sultan?? YES. I DID.

It AMAZES ME how you so easily dismiss people who have LIVED Islam.......
so....pray tell,
what is wrong with her?

You just won't give credence to ANYONE who disputes your 'religion' - just like you won't tell us what YOUR background is...... you're just all about "mocking" and "laughy faces" and snide digs......pointing out OTHER faiths' shortcomings while NEVER addressing the shortcomings of YOUR OWN.

:shk:
LAME

reply to post by charles1952

Aliens Wrote the Quran? Proof it Wasn't Written by Humans.

The original was from HERE:

Aliens wrote the Quran? ... Proof it wasn't written by Humans

Mohammad was an alien?

Nope. I'm sure you didn't to read at all and if you did, you wouldn't ask me that question were you said: Muhammad was an alien? Pathetic.

According to the author he said:

After reading it, I believe it was written by God.. But that’s an act of faith on my part

reply to post by dragonridr


I am only responding to a poster. I want to illustrate that Muslims have, to them, all kinds of proof that their holy Book and Prophet are true. I personally also believe it but I am an Integral Metaphysician and believe that there is truth in all religions, as well as truth outside of religion.

Judge for yourself. I also believe that a dispute can be done without insulting what is sacred to others.

I respect Buddha, Jesus, Krishna, Muhammad, Loa Tzu, Moses and all true teachers.

reply to post by Willtell

I will have much more on the scientific stuff later.
Also, later I will address the Misogyny subject and other topics

Start your own thread then, please...if you know so much.....
and try really hard (if you don't mind) to make it as organized, outlined, and coherent as the OP.

Originally posted by mekhanics
reply to post by Sahabi

 

2.

[51:47] We constructed the universe with might, and We are expanding it.

The earth’s rotation is explained by:

[27:88] When you look at the mountains, you think that they are standing still. But they are moving, like the clouds. Such is the manufacture of GOD, who perfected everything. He is fully Cognizant of everything you do.

And again the earth’s rotation is explained by:

[7:54] Your Lord is the one GOD, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, then assumed all authority. The night overtakes the day, as it pursues it persistently, and the sun, the moon, and the stars are committed to serve by His command. Absolutely, He controls all creation and all commands. Most Exalted is GOD, Lord of the universe.

The night is always persuing the day when you look at the earth from space.
Also the Quran specifies that the early stage of development for the Universe was gaseous:

Ok you can do the same thing with the bible when you have to interpret meaning you can place what ever meaning you like. Here let me show you something.
Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth,And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers,Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
Job 26:10
“He has inscribed a circle on the surface of the waters At the boundary of light and darkness.

See proves the bible to be the word of god it knew the world was round lets continue shall we?

[41:11] Then He settled to the heaven, while it was still gas, and He said to it, and to the earth: “Come willingly or unwillingly.” They said, “We come willingly.”

Furthermore, the Big Bang is talked about in the Quran, where everything came from a SINGULARITY:

[21:30]Did those who reject not see that the heavens and the earth were one mass and We tore them apart? That We made from the water everything that lives. Will they not acknowledge?

This by no means explains the big bang a singularity is not a mass its a point in space.In fact you could argue it has no mass since one point in space cant be infinitely massive thus the reason the expansion occur in the first place.
Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible.

Look the big bang explained see how easy this is?

Also this verse brings up the fact that every living thing was created from water. This supports the theory of evolution. Many other times it is said in the Quran that human beings were created from clay. This is an allegory for saying that human beings are made from earthly materials, not from “fire” or energy, like the “jinn beings”.

In fact we were not created in water it was more then likely hydrogen pools.Water would not have allowed the proteins to join.

[15:27] As for the jinns, we created them, before that, from blazing fire

Jinns really are you serious and this is scientific magical genies???

Evolution is explained as a TOOL OF CREATION in the following verses:

[71:14] “While He created you in stages?”

[71:15]“Did you not see how God created seven heavens in harmony?”

[71:16] “He made the moon to illuminate in them, and He made the sun to be a lit flame?”

[71:17]“God made you grow from the earth as plants.”

And also evolution is explained:

[29:19] Did they not observe how God initiates the creation then He returns it? All that for God is easy to do.

[29:20] Say, “Roam the earth and observe how the creation was initiated. Then God will establish the final design. God is capable of all things.”

Most of this has nothing to to with evolution at all Hardly know where to begin on this where not a plant we didnt grow from the earth.Evolution isnt about stages and i have no clue what the sun and the moon have to do with evolution other then provide sunlight??But will continue to play our game shall we?
Hey look Bible tells us the earth is suspended in space:
Job 26:7
“He stretches out the north over empty space And hangs the earth on nothing.

The bible also explains early man living in caves.
Job 30:5,6
They were driven out from among men,They shouted at them as at a thief.They had to live in the clefts of the valleys,In caves of the earth and the rocks
I think i made my point its all about how you want to see it.

Originally posted by mekhanics
reply to post by charles1952

 

Aliens Wrote the Quran? Proof it Wasn't Written by Humans.

The original was from HERE:

Aliens wrote the Quran? ... Proof it wasn't written by Humans

Mohammad was an alien?

Nope. I'm sure you didn't to read at all and if you did, you wouldn't ask me that question were you said: Muhammad was an alien? Pathetic.

According to the author he said:

After reading it, I believe it was written by God.. But that’s an act of faith on my part

edit on 19-8-2013 by mekhanics because: (no reason given)

Oh my god if i knew that was your source i think i wouldnt have bothered to respond. Im sorry man really am am but i have to do this.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
The Qu'ran is based on the Christian bible and the Torah (in that it references over 50 events from those books), and as we all know, both are full of hypocrisies, inconsistencies, source censorship, and blatant plagiarism from older faiths.

The Qu'ran is of the hand of men, like all religious texts, and as such it is inherently corruptible as men are all inherently corruptible. Books are written and rewritten to suit the needs of those who use the faithful to their own devices.

The first corruption put forth by the many houses of Abraham has always been the condemnation of the pursuit of knowledge. This stunting of the mind is the first step towards spiritual enslavement.

Religion, by design, is corrupt.

Faith in the texts of men, portrayed as the words and will of God is how any faith in God is corrupted.

The Islamic faith is just an extension of the corruption of faith, converting faith in God to FEAR of God, and ultimately using that fear to control people, to make them act in ways that cannot be the will of any benevolent deity. To fill the soul with evil, to so thoroughly pervert faith that one can shout god is great whilst sawing the head off of another human being for not subscribing to their religion, to believe that all non-muslims should be KILLED.. That God's will is for men to oppress women, as slaves, beat them and worse... etc.

Evil finds a way, it always does...

reply to post by mekhanics

Dear mekhanics,

I apologize, you're quite correct. You didn't take it, without attribution from
www.thecontroversialfiles.net...
an anonymous internet site

You took it from an ATS thread without attribution from seattletruth, who took it without attribution from an internet website.

To be honest with you, I've seen enough threads on numerology here to know that anything can be found if you look at it after everything has happened. I'm almost certain you could find a vague reference to 9/11 or the split of Islam into different sects intent on killing each other, or the destruction of places of worship of other religions. I'm sure it's all in there.

For another interesting time, talk to the people who believe Bacon wrote the works attributed to Shakespeare. They find clues all over his plays to show Bacon was the real author. Sure they're in code, and you have to pick just the right letters, but still . . .

I wonder what would happen if this was posted as proof of the existence of God?

And any theory which relies on counting letters and words overlooks the fact that to read it in English the number of words and letters are changed from the original, so the "wisdom" only works in English.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Willtell

 

I will have much more on the scientific stuff later.
Also, later I will address the Misogyny subject and other topics

Start your own thread then, please...if you know so much.....
and try really hard (if you don't mind) to make it as organized, outlined, and coherent as the OP.

Partly my fault as i stated several times i would like an honest debate and kept pushing for it but some of the posts i just couldnt help myself i apologize to everyone. Now backto the topic of the op. The one question i all ways had and mind you works the same with the bible is it starts out as oral history. As im sure most people have played the game of telling one person a secret and having it go through sevearl people and its never the same. So if it wasnt written down when it was said there is no way it could be a literal translation humans dont work that way.

This op is a book, the guy's written a book that’s why it’s so “organized”

Being a writer myself and know how difficult it is to get a publisher I understand.

This is a very well crafted thread, and it looks as though the OP has done his homework with due diligence. Furthermore, I did not find anything disrespectful in the OP to warrant the various personal attacks about the subject matter, or the OP personally. Then, to make matters worse, I have seen personal attacks on Muslims and their faith by other posters. Can we not have a reasonable debate with respect and charity shown to those whom adhere to the faith of Islam and the subject of the Qur'an being Incorruptable or Corrupt in its present state? Have we not been given minds for discernment, thought, and the ability to formulate conclusions?

I knew this topic was going to be a controversial one, and that goes with the territory when discussing matters of faith. Therefore, I gave it a day to see what direction the thread would take. It appears to be going the road of the battle of the trolls? It is a pity, because this has got to be one of the best threads I have seen on ATS about the Qur'an.

The OP just posted an argument about discrepancies found in the text by themself as a result of their own self-proclaimed scholarship on the subject, and their personal discernment on the topic. In addition, quite a few sources were cited to back their claims as well. Can we do away with the petty personal attacks, vitriolic back and forth, and two-bit insults. Lets see some debate with tact, and respect for this subject! Just my two cents.

The Qûr'an is corrupt for the very fact that earlier text can be abrogated by later writings. That is, Allah can redress (?) statements made earlier because they were... wrong? A god that's.... fallible??

reply to post by Willtell


The depiction of the development of the embryo in the Koran predates the Koran and is very similar to the description given by Galen, the Greek philosopher/physician.

It is hardly a miracle to repeat what a learned man said centuries before.

Eric