Islam's Incorruptible Qur'an Is Corrupt

Edit: (removed by me).... C'mon it was funny though...

HAHAHA!!

Anyone got some troll spray?

Originally posted by irontyrant
[SNIP]

How have you not been banned yet?

Eric

reply to post by Akragon


I'm outraged for you and Neo, Aragon. There is never call for racial slurs and attacks as this.



I'll be glad when a mod comes and cleans his evil speak, away.

Cirque

Originally posted by CirqueDeTruth
reply to post by Akragon

 

I'm outraged for you and Neo, Aragon. There is never call for racial slurs and attacks as this.

I'll be glad when a mod comes and cleans his evil speak, away.

Cirque

I wouldn't worry the mods will take care of it...

there seems to be a virus going around or something... everyone needs to insult everyone these days

*sigh*

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Originally posted by Sonny2

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by mideast

Deny Ignorance.

If you believe OP is wrong, I ask you to come up with a rebuttal to his claims with FACTS. Not opinion.

Please be specific, and come prepared. He did.

Peace

Deny Ignorance?? First words that sucker said were: "islam is terrorist religion" + his facts are not facts at all, just copy/paste from another anti-islamic website, I bet he is going around promote his buddism and trash islam. Best evidence he provided is few hadith stories and there is over 600000 hadiths and only 3- 4 thousands are accepted as trustable but still have big question mark on them, so even trustable are not so 'trustable'. For people who does know nothing about religions thats enough and there is a LOT of anti-mislims here just waiting for these kind of post just to flag it without a minute of research.

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And that is why I think he is waiting for some reward.

Just check his older posts.

I doubt that he is even Muslim.

reply to post by sonnny1

Don't let it deter you from speaking your peace. I for one am grateful for the In-Depth knowledge you have provided.

The peace west is seeking is surrendering. It is one way peace. Surrender all your lands , , government, resources and individuals. And that is the time west talks about peace.

But OP , lets bring more peace to the peaceful.

Originally posted by irontyrant
reply to post by Sonny2
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Sunni Islam is evil and its adherents are too. Only the Shia understand true Islam. People like you who do not understand the evil that is inherent to Sunni Islam are out of the loop. Sunnis will Hassan chop you, eventho you try and act like you are so politically correct and that you want to supplicate yourself before the Prophet. Sunni Muslims are evil and they are not followers of true Islam. Iran leads the call of actual Islam thank Allah for the clerics and curse those Western infidels like you who absolve the evil Sunni kaffirs.

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You must be so naive or working to divide muslims intentionally ?

Which one ?

reply to post by sonnny1

Just because the OP decided to do an In-Depth report on Islam doesn't mean ATS has an agenda against Islam....

Yes , but I know him and his threads. He know himself what he is trying to do. But he chose to be silent to my replies.

Many Religions have their pitfalls, including Christianity. There are many questionable religions like Islam, Christianity, and even Scientology. ALL are held to a higher scrutiny here on ATS.

There are many questions , and I have many. But I don't ask them from gracery stroes near my home. I ask the unbiased and informed and trustworthy people.

Which I believe , at least informed people don't come to ATS. Leaving the idea that ATS is full of religion bashers and Islam bashers.

And his thread is not questioning anything , it is dis-informing and manipulating thread and it is clear because it is not fair judgement in his threads not in his older threads and posts. He is no skeptic human. He is selling the painting he took from Islam and he is selling it to the wolves.

Despite all his unfair judgement and always bashing Islam , he says he is Muslim.(which is not anymore)

Deny ignorance , but first deny arrogance and try to see things for justly and unbiased.

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That is why these people are posting such disrespectful replies... so your thread will die..

Theres been nothing that has refuted your OP... Yet the thread is dying because of attacks....

Seems familiar... kinda like the way the world works...

Originally posted by logical7

 

how about some authentication that Ali r.a. had compiled a Qur'an and refused to share it, keeping it for just his decendants?

Bihar al-Anwar is the most well-rounded and comprehensive Hadith collection among all sects of Islam, consisting of 110 volumes. The information comes from this collection:

Narrated by Abu Dharr al-Ghifari:

When 'Umar (after he became caliph) asked Ali for his mus'haf so that it could be subjected to review and changes, he said: O Abul/Hasan, bring the Qur'an that you had brought before Abu Bakr so that we decide about it.

Ali replied: It is impossible; there is no way to it. I had brought it to Abu Bakr in order to complete my duty upon you so that you will not be able to say on the Day of Resurrection "we had no information about it," or would make the pretext that "you did not bring it to us." Certainly the Qur'an which is with me will not be touched by anyone except the pure, the awsiya (successors) among my offspring.

"Umar said: Is there a specific time for showing it.

Ali answered: Yes when the Qa'im (Standing One / Upholder) from my lineage rises, he will reveal it, make mankind follow it and implement the (Prophet's) sunnah on its basis.

[Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 89]
• Imam Ali (A.S.) and the Holy Quran
• Imam Ali (A.S.), the First Compiler of the Holy Qur'an

Character analysis and agenda analysis of Sahabi

This thread only lists the superficial reasons why I left Islam:

Islam seemed to provide answers to doctrinal questions that left other religions speechless, as well as laying out a wonderful moral code.

I followed Islam according to the As-Salaf As-Saalih Mathab, also know as Salaf, but better known as Wahabism

Yes, the same as followed by Osama bin Laden

Understanding the true meaning of Love, Global Human Unity, Peace, Forgiveness, and Mercy, I slowly weened myself off of Islam

Islam is not in the best condition these days. There should be two different groups of Muslims in the end of this era :

1-The ones who seek their personal intentions by following Islam. In other words kings and Islamic elite families.

2-The people who have found the truth and haq , so they spin around it no matter how strong the winds blow.

Those who follow Islam to gain their agenda (in other words Muslim kings and western puppets) will fall because truth of Islam repel people around them except those who are well fed to stay and bow.

The truth is that Wahabism is a 300 year old sect and was made by west to serve them whenever they want. In Wahhabism many facts of Qur'an are ignored so that they can follow what they follow. Just look how OBL gave it's country to westerners to stay and loot and plant more opium.

I wanted to argue you with same Qur'an that you seemed to believe in , but now I know that you don't even believe in it anymore.

I read your threads , you are repeating the same words that those who left the haq and bowed to the NWO say. Not even a word is new.

But they are answered at least by Islamic clerics.

You had chosen to wear the glasses that shows only some part of the picture. And know you are complaining that god didn't show you the picture.

My opinion is to reconsider looking through old glasses and don't get to support this one world oppressor govt which is recommended by west. Just see how these kinds of threads get so appreciated and your older threads were left alone even they were more information and nearer to haq.

Only those who seek truth are following it. Not those who seek power and fame.

Look at nwo picture , the illuminati , their progress in the region. Don't ignore the truth or it will meet you in another form.

Originally posted by Sahabi

Originally posted by logical7

 

how about some authentication that Ali r.a. had compiled a Qur'an and refused to share it, keeping it for just his decendants?

Bihar al-Anwar is the most well-rounded and comprehensive Hadith collection among all sects of Islam, consisting of 110 volumes. The information comes from this collection:

Narrated by Abu Dharr al-Ghifari:

When 'Umar (after he became caliph) asked Ali for his mus'haf so that it could be subjected to review and changes, he said: O Abul/Hasan, bring the Qur'an that you had brought before Abu Bakr so that we decide about it.

Ali replied: It is impossible; there is no way to it. I had brought it to Abu Bakr in order to complete my duty upon you so that you will not be able to say on the Day of Resurrection "we had no information about it," or would make the pretext that "you did not bring it to us." Certainly the Qur'an which is with me will not be touched by anyone except the pure, the awsiya (successors) among my offspring.

"Umar said: Is there a specific time for showing it.

Ali answered: Yes when the Qa'im (Standing One / Upholder) from my lineage rises, he will reveal it, make mankind follow it and implement the (Prophet's) sunnah on its basis.

[Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 89]
• Imam Ali (A.S.) and the Holy Quran
• Imam Ali (A.S.), the First Compiler of the Holy Qur'an

Maybe the hadith is true , but does that mean that Qur'an has lost sentences ?

Maybe qur'an will be rearranged , but will some new verses be added ?

I can not read that in the hadith.

Click here for more information.

Originally posted by Sahabi

Originally posted by logical7

 

how about some authentication that Ali r.a. had compiled a Qur'an and refused to share it, keeping it for just his decendants?

Bihar al-Anwar is the most well-rounded and comprehensive Hadith collection among all sects of Islam, consisting of 110 volumes. The information comes from this collection:

Narrated by Abu Dharr al-Ghifari:

When 'Umar (after he became caliph) asked Ali for his mus'haf so that it could be subjected to review and changes, he said: O Abul/Hasan, bring the Qur'an that you had brought before Abu Bakr so that we decide about it.

Ali replied: It is impossible; there is no way to it. I had brought it to Abu Bakr in order to complete my duty upon you so that you will not be able to say on the Day of Resurrection "we had no information about it," or would make the pretext that "you did not bring it to us." Certainly the Qur'an which is with me will not be touched by anyone except the pure, the awsiya (successors) among my offspring.

"Umar said: Is there a specific time for showing it.

Ali answered: Yes when the Qa'im (Standing One / Upholder) from my lineage rises, he will reveal it, make mankind follow it and implement the (Prophet's) sunnah on its basis.

[Bihar al-Anwar, Volume 89]
• Imam Ali (A.S.) and the Holy Quran
• Imam Ali (A.S.), the First Compiler of the Holy Qur'an

Well it is a known hadith collection especially among Shia.
Like i had said, you being an ex sunni, i wonder why you have to bring up this to desperately prove a point.

Anyways, as you may know that all hadith in Bihar Al-anwar are not sahih(authentic)
could you kindly produce a proof that states that the above hadith is sahih. Thanks in advance.

Also as mideast pointed out, even if Ali r.a. had a mushaf. It does not prove you claim that Qur'an is altered.
Also why not bring a hadith over such an important issue from Bukhari or Muslim?

reply to post by Sahabi


Now you claimed that Ibn Masud r.a refused to surrender his copy. Wouldn't it be more honest to say that he initially refused as would any human who is attached to a copy that has personal value to him/her.

You also claimed that Ibn Masud was a better choice to head the committee to compile the Qur'an. So i guess you are unaware about who Zaid ibn Thabit was..

He was the personal secretary to Muhammad pbuh who wrote down the Qur'anic revealations in the presence and under the guidance of the prophet himself.
He had memorised the whole Qur'an and could have reproduced it on his own but he made stricter guidelines to be extra sure and only took the pieces and verses that were written down in the presence of the prophet and two witnesses has seen the companion in question to have heard it directly from the prophet.
Also he was present with prophet Muhammad pbuh when Jibrael over saw Muhammad pbuh recite the whole Qur'an.

Would you still question his qualification to head the committee?

And if there is a difference between his collection and a verse by Ibn Masud, how you automatically assume that the latter was correct?

You tried to do that by praising Ibn Masud and conviniently ignoring Zaid ibn Thabit's qualifications.

I hope you'l reply to to above points.

reply to post by Sahabi


A question for you SAhabi

Why didn't OBL denounce 9/11 terrorists ?

Why didn't he reveal the truth and secret groups such as skull and bones behind the scene ?

Skull and bones

Why did he let Afghanistan be raped by the ones who he claimed are enemies ?

Wasn't that because they were hand in hand with US president ?