Islam's Incorruptible Qur'an Is Corrupt

reply to post by FlyersFan


Billions of sober, sane, intellegent people and giants of reliigon and mystical science believe otherwise.
All you have to back up your hate are other haters.

I pity you, for you have little intellgence, love, understanding and real knowledge and your future filled with your hate is probably not a good one, less you change.



BTW People should watch the biography of Muhammad on PBS tommorow they say its good.
www.pbs.org...

Originally posted by Willtell
but you can not prove Muhammad wasn’t what he said he is and we can’t make you believe it

Yes I can prove Muhammad wasn't a prophet of God. It's easy. The FACT is that his religious stories are stolen bits and pieces from other religions ... and he even got those bits and pieces WRONG. They contradict known history. If Muhammad was getting his info from God, there wouldn't be all the scientific and and historical errors in his teachings. It's just that simple.

All you are doing is arguing your beliefs one to another usually in a rude and uncivil manner by insulting each others beliefs.

1 - I haven't stated any of my own religious beliefs.
2 - Stating facts isn't being 'rude and uncivil'. It's just stating facts. And facts are things that people who are in organized religions don't like. It pops their bubble ...

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www.abovetopsecret.com...

I said something quite similar here..

Originally posted by Willtell
Billions of sober, sane, intellegent people and giants of reliigon and mystical science believe otherwise.

Billions of sober, sane intelligent people and giants of religion and mystical science KNOW the facts, and the facts say Muhammad lied and that the Qu'ran is full of historical and scientific errors.

All you have to back up your hate are other haters.

Truth isn't hate. It's just truth.

I pity you, for you have little intellgence,...

Says the person who actually thinks Muhammad had visions from God when the facts show otherwise. I pity you .. right back. If you want to believe the silly notion that the afterlife is full of unending sex and food ... go right ahead. But mark my words ... you are in for a surprise ...

reply to post by FlyersFan


You are not even worth debating because you are on a low level. Screaming so loud that it appears you have an emotional problem that is so clear it comes through your very unintelligent words.

You don’t have facts; you have opinionated slander that you have borrowed from fellow haters.

You are such in an emotional turmoil you can’t even think straight. Just yell and scream because something has internally afflicted you.

reply to post by Willtell

blah blah blah .. nothing in that post addressed the facts or the theme of the thread.
I have posted facts showing the Qur'an is full of historical and scientific errors.
You have failed to show that the Qu'ran is error-free and therefore from God.
So you resort to off topic name calling. How about you address the facts as presented.
Address the fact that an all-knowing God wouldn't make errors like those in the Qur'an.
Address the fact that the Qu'ran is poorly plagiarized from other religions.
Address the facts as presented .. and remember ... facts are not hate, they are just facts.

reply to post by FlyersFan


People like yourself can’t think straight so how can you judge one way or another what are facts or what is truth.

One has to be in a level thinking condition to judge what is true and what is false or in-between.

The fact is that billions of people follow Muhammad who are known to be sober, sane and intelligent people.

Those are facts

What you describe as facts are merely your subjective opinion.

An opinion is not a fact.

I said religion, including Islam, is a theory

Only the personal experience of an individual can KNOW what is the truth regarding religion and mysticism

Yelling, screaming, insulting, and shouting excludes you from any possibility of knowing anything

That is the same mentality of people like the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and other crazy bigots who are so insecure themselves all they can do is resort to your tactics.

God help you

it seems then i have misunderstood your signature. understanding now that you are iranian i will alter my perception of your words to accommodate the language barrier. i would have expected you to post it more like this then..

"and they (the disbelievers) schemed and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers. " - Ummul Kitab (Mother of the Book) S. 3:54

so that we'd know that ur just quoting. and you are right.. there is nothing to worry about. but all will still play their part.





i am not familiar with all the sects of islam and their practices. just like i am not familiar with all the sects of christianity and their practices tho i have an idea. i observe the fruit. the product of the practice that comes from the people. The global reports show that the sects war amongst themselves, kill eachother, persecute christians. the history has clearly been for material possession and domination of lands.

But.. why do the sects fight and kill eachother? there is nothing to worry about because as those in the wrong scheme, Allah schemes against them.

to me that suggests, for those of true faith, that Allah will protect them from the schemers who scheme against his children. the worst blow to islam in the eyes of the world and rightly so, is in the killing of men, women and children for SINS under the government in islamic countries. is the government God? isnt it Allah and Allah alone's place to Judge?

what exactly is the government representing and what part of doctrine is it that allows the killing of mixed religion couples, say for a muslim girl to marry a jew etc.? that surely isnt self defense.

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Hey FF!

How about you read a few articles from this link and then get back here..
www.islamqa.com/en

Salafi islam is the worst form of islam

it supports the death of everyone except salafis

example of salafi:

- Al qaeda
- boko haram
- Nusra front

nuff said

OP is deluded and acknowledged he was a salafi

reply to post by FlyersFan


I have posted many things that have countered your argument.
But I haven’t lowered myself to your low level of insulting abusive shouting and screaming.

I don’t do this because it is self defeating.

If I don’t accept your information I won’t scream and insult you.

I will, as I have numerous times, intelligently refute your logic

I posted mystical theory that comes from Sufis who Follow Muhammad and you start insulting and screaming because it doesn’t concur with your twisted world view.

Is that intelligent?

I would advise you learn to speak to people on the level they are speaking on or you stay out of the conversation.

Adress me in a civil tone and I will gladly refute your so-called evidence.

www.cyberistan.org...

1. In 628 AD, a delegation from St. Catherine's Monastery came to Prophet Muhammad and requested his protection. He responded by granting them a charter of rights, which I reproduce below in its entirety. St. Catherine's Monastery is located at the foot of Mt. Sinai and is the world's oldest monastery. It possess a huge collection of Christian manuscripts, second only to the Vatican, and is a world heritage site. It also boasts the oldest collection of Christian icons. It is a treasure house of Christian history that has remained safe for 1,400 years under Muslim protection.

The Promise to St. Catherine:

"This is a message from Muhammad ibn Abdullah, as a covenant to those who adopt Christianity, near and far, we are with them. Verily I, the servants, the helpers, and my followers defend them, because Christians are my citizens; and by Allah! I hold out against anything that displeases them. No compulsion is to be on them. Neither are their judges to be removed from their jobs nor their monks from their monasteries. No one is to destroy a house of their religion, to damage it, or to carry anything from it to the Muslims' houses. Should anyone take any of these, he would spoil God's covenant and disobey His Prophet. Verily, they are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate. No one is to force them to travel or to oblige them to fight. The Muslims are to fight for them. If a female Christian is married to a Muslim, it is not to take place without her approval. She is not to be prevented from visiting her church to pray. Their churches are to be respected. They are neither to be prevented from repairing them nor the sacredness of their covenants. No one of the nation (Muslims) is to disobey the covenant till the Last Day (end of the world)."

Originally posted by Willtell
I have posted many things that have countered your argument.

You have posted nothing that counters the facts that I posted.
Prove the scientific and historical errors aren't there.

But I haven’t lowered myself to your low level of insulting abusive shouting and screaming.

Posting facts isn't 'insulting abusive shouting and screaming'. It's simply posting facts.

I would advise you learn to speak to people on the level they are speaking on or you stay out of the conversation.

I would advise you to learn to address the facts and stop calling them 'hate' when they are simply facts. I would advise you to learn to deal with the truth of the situation ... or stay out of the conversation.

Adress me in a civil tone and I will gladly refute your so-called evidence.

I double dog dare you to go find where I wasn't posting in a civil tone. You, on the other hand, are really going off the deep end "screaming and shouting and insulting" when facts are presented that you don't like. And they are FACTS .. not opinions.

ON TOPIC ... THE QURAN IS CORRUPT.

FACTS presented ... the historical and scientific errors of the Quran. Errors that an all knowing God wouldn't make.
FACTS presented ... Muhammad plagiarizing from the Jews, Christians, Pagans and Zoroastrians.
FACTS presented ... the misogyny and sexual obsession inherent in the Qu'ran.

Address the facts. (not opinions .. FACTS) Prove those facts wrong.

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You are the one getting personal ... not me. I suggest you get on topic ... and I"m not it.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Willtell
Billions of sober, sane, intellegent people and giants of reliigon and mystical science believe otherwise.

Billions of sober, sane intelligent people and giants of religion and mystical science KNOW the facts, and the facts say Muhammad lied and that the Qu'ran is full of historical and scientific errors.

All you have to back up your hate are other haters.

Truth isn't hate. It's just truth.

I pity you, for you have little intellgence,...

Says the person who actually thinks Muhammad had visions from God when the facts show otherwise.

I pity you .. right back. If you want to believe the silly notion that the afterlife is full of unending sex and food ... go right ahead. But mark my words ... you are in for a surprise ...

Though you are correct you are lacking diplomacy and in the 21st century we have to be politically correct ya know.

Originally posted by dragonridr
Though you are correct you are lacking diplomacy and in the 21st century we have to be politically correct ya know.

I don't care. I'm just stating facts. I'm not sugar coating them to make it easier for anyone to swallow. I'm not 'shouting or having a meltdown' or whatever the heck that person screaming about. This thread is 12 pages long and still no one has countered what the OP posted or the other information that shows the Qur'an is indeed full of errors.

Originally posted by Willtell
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

People like yourself can’t think straight so how can you judge one way or another what are facts or what is truth.

One has to be in a level thinking condition to judge what is true and what is false or in-between.

The fact is that billions of people follow Muhammad who are known to be sober, sane and intelligent people.

Those are facts

What you describe as facts are merely your subjective opinion.

An opinion is not a fact.

I said religion, including Islam, is a theory

Only the personal experience of an individual can KNOW what is the truth regarding religion and mysticism

Yelling, screaming, insulting, and shouting excludes you from any possibility of knowing anything

That is the same mentality of people like the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and other crazy bigots who are so insecure themselves all they can do is resort to your tactics.

God help you

You keep talking about truth but without lies truth is meaningless. The problem is not seeing the truth but not being able to distinguish the truth from the lies. This is why religions still thrive today. From a historical standpoint religions come and go Religion is simply used to control the populous. You see it in Saudi Arabia or Iran Islam is being used to keep people in line not to enlighten. Eventually the middle east will out grow Islam much as the western countries out grew Christianity. Eventually i see a day when people look to within themselves for answers and not to a prophet or god or book.

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Way to go OP... I am on page 6 and had to S&F you ...I see there are not many rushing with any sort of facts to counter what you have posted ....Not really surprising to me .I have a son who has joined Islam and is off studying and thinks he knows but when ever I question him on any thing he seems to do this crazy inverted flip to shrug off any real legitimate discussion on the subject .A convenient way to avoid not having a answer I suppose .Now back to page 6 and see if there are any takers or just fakers . .

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by dragonridr
Though you are correct you are lacking diplomacy and in the 21st century we have to be politically correct ya know.

I don't care. I'm just stating facts. I'm not sugar coating them to make it easier for anyone to swallow. I'm not 'shouting or having a meltdown' or whatever the heck that person screaming about.

This thread is 12 pages long and still no one has countered what the OP posted or the other information that shows the Qur'an is indeed full of errors.

They cant and thats the problem even myself i checked on some things i was unsure about and well he seems to be right.Thats why im waiting to see if i missed something but apparently not so far all ive seen is people claiming hes a puppet or doesnt truly believe and thats why he doesnt understand. Which we know thats just another way of saying if you believed like me it doesnt matter what the facts say.

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scienceislam.com...

"Dr. E. Marshall Johnson is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. There, for 22 years he was Professor of Anatomy, the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, and the Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute. He was also the President of the Teratology Society. He has authored more than 200 publications. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Johnson said in the presentation of his research paper:

[Summary] "The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science."

Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”

Dr. Gerald C. Goeringer is Course Director and Associate Professor of Medical Embryology at the Department of Cell Biology, School of Medicine, Georgetown University, Washington, DC, USA. During the Eighth Saudi Medical Conference in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Professor Goeringer stated the following in the presentation of his research paper:

“In a relatively few ayahs (Quranic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development, such as classification, terminology, and description, existed previously. In most, if not all, instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature."