The Afterlife Revealed... Step By Step

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by King Loki
As a medical scientists I can almost guarantee you that there is no god, no after life and no actual supernatural occurrences ....

We are just animals like everything else ... nothing happens when you die ... also the study with rats only shows that there is brain activity after you die (in rats, not humans) which everyone assumed anyways ... nothing else. nothing break through there

Everyone can believe in what they like ... but you are almost 100% wrong believing in these types of things.

Most scientists know that what you experience after deaths is a massive dose of Dimethyltryptamine which is one of the most potent psychedelics known to man ... even people who take it while they are alive have the same "after death" experiences as people who have so called NDE's ...

So that explains away the entire after death experience to me, if it can be recreated in some one alive using the same drug (Dimethyltryptamine) ... it is clearly nothing to do with an "after life" and more to do with the chemistry of the brain reacting to the dose of Dimethyltryptamine.

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Good and correct to the point response!!
Im no med scientest. Computer scientist Chartered Engineer my angle! But his is what I believed and common sense only confirms this.
ATS does have sensible rational balanced members!

Don't you know the path is narrow and few find it?

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by King Loki
As a medical scientists I can almost guarantee you that there is no god, no after life and no actual supernatural occurrences ....

We are just animals like everything else ... nothing happens when you die ... also the study with rats only shows that there is brain activity after you die (in rats, not humans) which everyone assumed anyways ... nothing else. nothing break through there

Everyone can believe in what they like ... but you are almost 100% wrong believing in these types of things.

Most scientists know that what you experience after deaths is a massive dose of Dimethyltryptamine which is one of the most potent psychedelics known to man ... even people who take it while they are alive have the same "after death" experiences as people who have so called NDE's ...

So that explains away the entire after death experience to me, if it can be recreated in some one alive using the same drug (Dimethyltryptamine) ... it is clearly nothing to do with an "after life" and more to do with the chemistry of the brain reacting to the dose of Dimethyltryptamine.

edit on 18/8/13 by King Loki because: (no reason given)

Good and correct to the point response!!
Im no med scientest. Computer scientist Chartered Engineer my angle! But his is what I believed and common sense only confirms this.
ATS does have sensible rational balanced members!

didn't you know the path is narrow and few find it?

edit on 18-8-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

Yeh so narrow you couldnt get jack through it!
Come on! Get real!!

reply to post by RP2SticksOfDynamite


I AM real my friend...

Jack ain't got nothin on me...

reply to post by sled735



Here is what I find ridiculous about many after-life claims.

So for argument sake I'll go along with the oneness of the universe and that we are all one.

So why if we are one, or oneness are their higher beings, and lower beings? Wouldn't we all be equal?

It always appears that we are somehow evolving into this higher being, but what's not talked about is where did we come from? Nothingness perhaps.

I intend to read this book, but with a huge grain of salt as well.

reply to post by Realtruth


Why would we all be equal when each spirit has its own path?

Everyone learns at they're own pace... no?

With so many books out there, each containing their own version of the afterlife, which one is closest to the truth?

A readers quote:

He messages his sister and has the audacity to claim he was born into the world to actually be a drug and alcohol abuser and then die for her to write this book. He told her not to feel bad or guilty and there was an off putting "get over it" tone.

Life by the bay wasn't working out too well. Being the creative type, she did what she does best. Create.

Nuff said.

There is absolutely an afterlife. For those who think otherwise, you haven't done the research. Basically, the majority of long standing (centuries) religions are similar with the core values and explanation of the afterlife.

I've had an incredible experience a few months back with helping a friend/family member cross over: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RP2SticksOfDynamite

 

I AM real my friend...

Jack ain't got nothin on me...

That is stating the obvious! But afterlife thats stating the impossible!!!

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Why would we all be equal when each spirit has its own path?

Everyone learns at they're own pace... no?

You miss the whole point I was trying to make.

If we are each a separate part of the universe then we have always been, so there is nothing to learn everything has always been there. Somehow we forgot, or chose to not remember.

So yes we are all equal in a way, never beginning and never ending.

I feel that many of the books on the after-life, and channeled messages that sky-rocket to the top of the best sellers lists are the propaganda that appeals to people's ego's.

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RP2SticksOfDynamite

 

I AM real my friend...

Jack ain't got nothin on me...

That is stating the obvious! But afterlife thats stating the impossible!!!

Actually it isn't even improbable...

do a bit of digging and you can easily find that "afterlife" is not only likely... it is factual

Originally posted by sled735
reply to post by Meaningless

 

I watched a video once about a man who had a NDE. He thought the same as you, that there is nothing after death.

He ended up in a void of nothingness... only his conscious awareness. He was freaked out and confused. After some time, a light appeared in the distance... an angel that came and took him back to his body.

I think he had that experience as a warning to change his beliefs.

Just remember, just in case you are wrong and end up like that dude, call on the angels, or Jesus to come get you.
Just in case...

As you choose your destiny, it shall be made for you, by you, as your reality. Choosing that there will be nothingness after you die is a poor choice. Space or time cannot be destroyed. All the spatial displacements you caused during the time flow from your conception until your death IS your destination. That slot of space and time during your lifespan cannot be changed nor destroyed. None of us have a choice in this. It has everything to do with physics and nothing to do with religions.

Originally posted by King Loki
As I said the near death experience has been recreated in live patients by Dr. Rick Strassman, using a drug that is actually produced in your own body called Dimethyltryptamine, and we know your brain releases a large dose of this drug at death

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The fact of the matter is that no such thing has been demonstrated. There is no proof that NDEs reduce to biochemical origins. In fact, D_M_T relies on a functioning brain. NDEs occur when there is a flat EEG. So it is hard to see how a drug like D_M_T accounts for anything. Nor is there a definite answer to what is called the "hard problem", we do not know how consciousness is produced.

Your atheism has already blinded you to other possibilities, this is most evident by considering speculative hypotheses as proof of your metaphysical views. You're looking for the answer you want to hear.

reply to post by Realtruth


theres several "sources" that will tell you a "veil" is placed over the eyes at birth...

How does one learn if everything is already known?

Or

If ones cup is full... said cup overflows and has no room for knowledge

Great thread. Thankyou OP.

It is always a shame to see these topics, which I am very interested in, often appear to become a slanging match between those who "believe" and the "non-believers" in the afterlife. I am not blaming one side here as I have seen both sides guilty at various times, in various threads.

I think debate is healthy and important on any topic but unfortunately irrational statements often occur. I would love to know how any of us can say with such strong views that there is or isn't an "afterlife" when we know so little about ourselves and the universe we live in. Surely we can only express our opinion(s) and then surely give others the due respect to express theirs.

As a scientist myself I cannot fathom how we can even confidently say what goes on after our "physical" body dies. We can use words such as "to the best of our current knowledge........" and that is about it.

Thanks again OP.

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by RP2SticksOfDynamite

 

I AM real my friend...

Jack ain't got nothin on me...

That is stating the obvious! But afterlife thats stating the impossible!!!

Actually it isn't even improbable...

do a bit of digging and you can easily find that "afterlife" is not only likely... it is factual

Dellusion is a subjective thing I guess! Cast away thy crutch and embrace the singular life you have before it is no more!!!

I was born dead and talked with ghosts when I was a child. I can tell you that this description by the op is pure bs. You do not go to a heaven, there are no buildings, and you are not special. You are in fact completely insignificant and the only care out there for you is to scare you. Once you overcome those fears you may basically line back up for a race to be reborn. There are no thoughts at this time beyond coming in first and you don't really comprehend anything more than that. In the meantime if you have not overcome your fears you just replay your life over and over until you solve the puzzle to your content. So I suppose if you really enjoyed your life you could say it was heavenly replaying it. For others a nightmare. Nothing is fair and nobody cares. You won't meet your loved ones beyond the replay.

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by King Loki
As a medical scientists I can almost guarantee you that there is no god, no after life and no actual supernatural occurrences ....

We are just animals like everything else ... nothing happens when you die ... also the study with rats only shows that there is brain activity after you die (in rats, not humans) which everyone assumed anyways ... nothing else. nothing break through there

Everyone can believe in what they like ... but you are almost 100% wrong believing in these types of things.

Most scientists know that what you experience after deaths is a massive dose of Dimethyltryptamine which is one of the most potent psychedelics known to man ... even people who take it while they are alive have the same "after death" experiences as people who have so called NDE's ...

So that explains away the entire after death experience to me, if it can be recreated in some one alive using the same drug (Dimethyltryptamine) ... it is clearly nothing to do with an "after life" and more to do with the chemistry of the brain reacting to the dose of Dimethyltryptamine.

edit on 18/8/13 by King Loki because: (no reason given)

Good and correct to the point response!!
Im no med scientest. Computer scientist Chartered Engineer my angle! But this is what I believed and common sense only confirms this.
ATS does have sensible rational balanced members! Afterlife, dont go there because you cant!!!!

edit on 18-8-2013 by RP2SticksOfDynamite because: (no reason given)

While medically there is a chemical event that can be measured and its results hypothesized based on what we know about D.M.T. , there are other factors to consider.
I say "factors" but I am not really sure what word to use here..... perhaps more " things that should be considered as part of the overall discussion". Here are a few in no particular order. In some cases they are based on personal subjective experience.

> NOT EXPLAINED BY D.M.T. In many NDE experiences the person who died saw themselves in a hospital, were able to recall the room layout, floated down the hallway and in a closed door room, heard the doctor tell the loved ones that they were dead. They saw the reaction and can recall what was said. Post revival, they were able to recall these details and have them validated by those involved. I am not saying that they do not exist, but I have not yet encountered a story in which someone tripping on D.M.T. was able to do the same. This raises enough doubt to consider something more then a chemical reaction.

> LIFE'S CONNECTIONS: There is a quantifiable connection between the entire tree of life that can not always be explained. Musics effect on plants, the premonition we have before something bad happens, a dogs ability to know when a patient is close to death, surrogate cross-species parenting, etc, etc. Pre-death, there is an unspoken connection that seams prevalent in all aspects of life. Scientifically, we can measure and speculate that it is chemical or based on vibrations, but we are often left to chose if its all just the randomness of life, or if there is a grand design to all these interactions. The point of consideration here is, be open to the fact that there are forces that we don't truly understand, and making the connection between a '___' dump as being the only post life experience, seams scientifically unreasonable.


> IMPACT OF PRAYER & MEDITATION: Based on my personal experience, I have seen, with ZERO ambiguity, direct answer to prayer. I am not talking about prayer where I ask for something and then years later it comes to pass opening up the potential for the comments " Well you took steps to make that happen and then accredited it to answered prayer". I am talking about specific prayer with a definitive response in real-time. Prayer that a child who has long passed the check-in point pulls into the driveway the second I finish praying, that a bonus is delivered to me the day after I prayed, when it was a month past when bonuses were issued. A specific ask when I was 23 for $238 needed for car insurance that arrived 15 minutes later from a couple that did not even speak English..... and on and on. There are many others out there that have and continue to have the same experience. In my personal life, there is no denying that my prayers are being heard and responded to. With this, either I am controlling aspects of the universe, or there is a God at the helm that hears and responds to my needs. There is no scientific or medical measurement for this, but it comes from reading the words that also contain the details of an afterlife. So cutting through all the " those words were written by man, they are control points, and X & Y are corrupt, etc., I look to the evidence, and find that there is real truth and power behind Gods word.

Be open to forces beyond our understanding.

reply to post by sled735


That dude was also given drugs which are known to cause that affect. Bible says point blank, the dead are conscious of nothing, the soul that is sinning, it itself will die.

reply to post by institute


May I ask what field your scientific degree is in? Mine is Atmospheric Physics and Dynamics. I'm not exactly running around using that as a trump card in a thread about the afterlife.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Realtruth

 

theres several "sources" that will tell you a "veil" is placed over the eyes at birth...

How does one learn if everything is already known?

Or

If ones cup is full... said cup overflows and has no room for knowledge

The only source to validate anything, in this life, is from oneself and that is questionable. lol Ex.( ATS threads trying to prove something and people not believing unless they experience it themselves.)

Who says we need knowledge? or that our cup is already empty?

Are you basing your premise on this illusion we call life perhaps?