The Afterlife Revealed... Step By Step

reply to post by karmajayne
Nothing should scare you. You live how long and how you want. Make children and die, hoping your children continues on. This is what life has for us.

There's no other way to put it. Beliefs are meant to divide, make us malleable and cold-hearted against those who think otherwise. We're just animals with nothing special going on. But the sooner we accept that there's nothing waiting for us when we die, the sooner we can come together and make the world a much better place instead of letting careless leaders destroy and savage countries around the world.

I stand by what I initially posted regarding this post in my thread

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by fastbob72

 

Energy as is the energy that makes the universe, beings of light, that is why most astral projections and out of body experiences are usually after midnight, because that is when the energy or static energy is surrounding us the best.

Remember that the human brain can not function and neither any part of the body without electrical impulses so is fair to say that a human body can never survive without a soul as the souls is what powers the body and because the souls is the life of the body is also made of energy.

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No it's food,sunlight,fluids that power the body.Why do you think we need to eat and eventually die if we're starved of food for long enough.

It's very much like a car you need to fill up with fuel.The energy to power the system is stored as chemical energy as potential energy in the fuel tank.Once the engine is running the potential energy stored in the fuel is converted into motion,heat,sound and electrical energy.

In the same way we get the energy we need is stored in the food we eat,the sunlight etc.

You still haven't defined what form of energy you're talking about 'the energy that makes up the universe,beings of light ' that surrounds us best at night.Do you mean static electricity ??

I'm not convinced that our body or brain needs an outside power source.Or that the soul,if such a thing exists,is the battery that powers our bodies

I personally don't believe in reincarnation. On the Day of Judgment, we stand before God and be judged. On this Glorious Day our souls are united with our bodies once again and we shall stand before God.

If we were reincarnated, which one of our physical bodies would stand before God on that Glorious Day? For the ones who do believe in reincarnation, this fact of Judgment Day and the dilemma of the 2+ bodies standing before He is over-looked. But once they see this dilemma and conflict, it is at this moment that some believers realize this and they then know the Truth that there is no reincarnation and thus their Spirit learns and therefore grows.

I don't believe in all of the Marian apparitions, but some of them seem to be of some supernatural origin. Whether they are deceptions from Satan posing as the Virgin Mary, or they are in fact the Virgin Mary appearing before children because God grants her to pass along messages to mankind. I'm trying to look over my notes here for my books, but at least at one of them, the Virgin Mary does say to the children to pass the following information to the priest and that information is that there is no reincarnation.

It's a falsehood started by Evil because if people think there are more lives after this current one, then you'll have some who will commit suicide thinking "Oh who cares, there's another life." Then some people won't try in this current life thinking that they don't have to try at spiritual learning because there'll "always be another life after this."

Satan doesn't want us to try. He wants us all to be slothful, among other sins that the belief in reincarnation brings to our souls and bodies.

Then the other point of reincarnation is what I had mentioned above about if there was more than one body, which one stands before God on Judgement Day?

But, on a side note here, if they ever cloned the carnation, they COULD call it a Reincarnation!

Originally posted by karmajayne
reply to post by Meaningless

 

I know you stand firm with your stance, I mean though why would you want to believe there is nothing?

It's only got to get better after you die, you go through too many hardships on Earth for there not to be something after. I am going to assume that you're not afraid of death, you know that when you are taking your last breaths and there will be nothing waiting for you. That honestly scares me more then death itself. I like to believe that when we die there is an afterlife, it makes it easier for me to accept it, I could also be my weird way of dealing with the fact that sooner or later I will die but there will be more purpose for me, not just being stuck in a void of nothingness for all eternity.

I have to admit that although I can't claim to know for sure whether there's an afterlife or not.The feeling in my gut though leaves me in almost full agreement with Meaningless.The whole idea that it's got to get better because of the hardships we go through in life I find a little strange.

You/we won the lottery by being born at all and having a life,to say because it's damn hard at times we're due something in return when we die sounds like a cross between ego and sense of entitlement,,a sign of our times you could say.I mean.

I can fully understand why you would be scared of the end and believing in an afterlife is a comfort,believing there's a purpose and a fundamental plan to the universe and our place in it.I can't speak for meaningless but to me hoping for an afterlife because you're scared at the thought of dying is back to front,

Why get scared about death being the very 'probable' end of everything,it's a fact of life.To me I'm alive here and now,it's happening now and the idea of it being over when I die just makes me appreciate the life I've got.

What would scare me to death is drawing in my last few breathes wishing I'd made the most of my life instead of cruising through half looking towards the next life when I should have been making the most of every moment of the life I had.

And to me it's almost egocentric to believe we're so special,too important to simply die at the end.We impose our own human viewpoint on to the universe.We're basically a smart monkey geared to problem solve but it makes us convinced there has to be a reason and purpose for everything but I don't necessarily see why there has to be a reason and a meaning.

reply to post by fastbob72


Dear is not my job to convince you of anything or change your believes, that is for you to do at your leisure if you are ready and willing, if you life is good and healthy as it is with what you believe on right now, more power for you.

Is a fact that the body produces electrical impulses no a myth or a legend, fallacy and neither a theory.

Disruptions in the body can cause the electrical charges to fire inappropriately, resulting in serious medical conditions. A procedure called an electroencephalogram (EEG) can measure the impulses in the brain to ensure proper activity.

Read more: www.ehow.com...

Originally posted by NoRulesAllowed

Originally posted by SaturnFX
About the ops:
Sounds terrible in some aspects. The whole removal and healing of earths woes sounds like stripping some very critical elements of a personality...and what am I besides my personality that has grown through the joy and sadness of life.

(...)
I also quite enjoy my individuality.
(...)

What makes "personality", character or individuality?

You say its ONLY depends on what we experience in *this* physical world but I *strongly* disagree.

Simple example: Sometimes I dream ...and I find myself in total different scenarios.

In my dreams I could be extremely rich or have entirely forgotten about my "real" existence here. (Actually 99% of dreams are like that I have not the slightest idea of my "real" existence)...BUT MY "ego", my individuality is the same.

It's still "me" thinking and acting regardless whether how bizarre the dream circumstances are.

It goes even further:

Some schools of thoughts (Newton etc...) go so far as to say that we call "past lifes" or life in the "afterlife", ALL THIS HAPPENS AT THE SAME TIME and influences each other. Former life experiences strongly influences our life and thinking now. One thought or an action/happening in one life influences other "parallel" lives.

Individuality/Personality is far more than what we experience right this moment in this physical world. Seriously. Don't limit yourself.

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Good question and example
However, most of the example you are discussing is addition and transplant.
like if I woke up tomorrow and found myself in a castle, etc...the environment changes, but I don't, because the things that made me perceive as myself is in tact.
Dreams are transplanting, but you are still you.

I have listened to a number of self proclaimed spiritualists throughout my time here on earth. many suggest that ultimately going back to the source, removal of ego and id, etc is inevitably what we are going for...so the oneness and the false separation is nonsense...hell, some even believe that there is only one soul or consciousness and we are all just different representations of that.
Sounds quite depressing if you consider it.

The only way I can think it nice is either by not really considering the implications, or maybe just accept that I am too small and sensory deprived to truly appreciate whatever it that is being discussed. missing some key perspective that makes it all cool to melt into the great universal living energy blob

It makes no sense either.
OPs discusses the healing and whatnot of our souls. This suggests that the universe itself gives right and wrong answers before progressing. Progressing to what is a good question (void?). But it seems like the ultimate aim is to remove originality and form a specific shape before moving on. Soldiers or something. Not saying its a bad shape, but if the universe is churning out hippies only, what is the point of that? Sounds a bit bland.

reply to post by Meaningless


Your are right, that is why most experiences are personal and believable to the person that have them and compatible with others that share the same, everybody is welcome to express their opinions in any way or form that is what make us human and as human we have the limitations of our human body, for some is more than for others.

Originally posted by dominicus
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I don't like the sound if that, nor a lobotomy to make me more calm. I like addition to counter stuff, not subtraction to synthetically calm stuff.

you don't get it...the purest form of human there is, is when you are a child, devoid of all the programming added to you by the world.

All the B.S. added to people, is the cause of wars, hatred, rape, pillage, murder, atrocities.

For me, when I was a child, I had friends of different races, ages, genders...everyone was a friend and was equal. The world's programming started to put into me the stereotypes about Blacks, Arabs, Italians, Polish, etc

When you go back, all the BS programming is stripped, and you return to point of seeing things as they are, prior to any ego-programming filters.

Whereas that to me is close to a feeling of hell. return to the cotton brained childhood view.
It is default to have a good disposition before the taint of the world
it is an accomplishment to have a good disposition even after the taint of the world.
You made a argument of how we should kill children in order to preserve their soul purity.
Childhood..bleh. no thanks. I like my mental scars, I earned them...and my ego.

If you had one glimpse, one simple Taste of the Oneness, it would be enough for you to leave everything else beyond for the sake of jumping in, head first, into the pool of Infinite Beingness!!!

I have, its called having sex. the rare moments where we connect deeply with another. it is fantastic, blissful, etc.
I would -not- want to be having sex all the time, the uniqueness of the connection is dependent on its rareness.
Porn stars will attest to this. having it 5-10 times a day loses its power.
I like the ideas of different and more interesting ways to connect...but constantly connected..no. even the best meal will eventually taste bland if its neverending.

There are genuine people who have access to and experience the afterlife, while still maintaining a body on this realm. Some are just plain old folks who don't talk about it, and don't have books for sale to make money off of it.

If they mention that they have this access, everyone scoffs, laughs, says it's BS, etc. No wonder some folks stay quiet and laugh on the sidelines about all of us debating these topics

No, there aren't.
Mom had a NDE. it sounded fantastic, and to this day, she believes it all, even after a bit of research about other possibilities (she is a nurse, so is not stupid in regards to body levels of oxygen, dopamine, etc). All that can be said about that whole experience though is, who knows. it may be something, but then again, it may not be. Could truly just be the brain playing awesome tricks to comfort the ending bit.
hopefully not, but...well, who knows.
Interesting subject, but it is just hope and philosophy until someone comes back with snapshots and maybe some heaven plants to study.

Originally posted by Meaningless
Learn it now before you're driven to an unnecessary death.

There it is again, unnecessary death.

Explain exactly how death is unnecessary...because frankly, you are sounding more kooky than anyone else in this thread with that one statement.

I mean, I am on the fence about afterlife, but I know very damn well that currently everything alive is doomed to death. Tech can for now extend life a little bit longer, but that's about it.

Originally posted by fastbob72
I have to admit that although I can't claim to know for sure whether there's an afterlife or not.The feeling in my gut though leaves me in almost full agreement with Meaningless.The whole idea that it's got to get better because of the hardships we go through in life I find a little strange.

You/we won the lottery by being born at all and having a life,to say because it's damn hard at times we're due something in return when we die sounds like a cross between ego and sense of entitlement,,a sign of our times you could say.I mean.

Indeed, it is best to live life thinking this is the one shot "blessing" we get. Experience and enjoy.
Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but to focus an entire life on the prospect seems at the very least, wasting the life you got to begin with (monks, priests, etc).

But don't be fooled into thinking meaningless doesn't have his own religion going. he keeps talking about death as a thing people can avoid, like wearing plaid or something. He has his own view of afterlife (probably tech, or he believes in vampires, who knows..he may eventually explain), and his religion allows for full knowledge of any alternate hypothesis (hense why he is comfortable not just doubting, but speaking with authority that there in fact is nothing at all, period....he has mystical knowledge of that, that we meager humans are not privy to)

Personally, I don't know...doesn't make sense, but neither did the ghost experience I had. so..I am open to the idea, enjoy the odd speculation on it, but otherwise, keeping my nose here on earth and living the life I do know I am having. If candy and gold awaits after, then awesome, if not...well, at least I tried to have the best life I could have had anyhow. All a bit pointless, but meh, better than nothing.

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www.abovetopsecret.com...
"I have a coworker who is a very strong Christian. He has even preached in church.
I started talking to him one night about reincarnation, and brought up some points for him to consider. I eased him in to questioning some things in the Bible that could have more than one meaning, etc. Then I loaned him some books that opened my own eyes.

After reading the books, and me answering questions, he is now a firm believer in reincarnation.
The truth of reincarnation is there, if people will open their eyes and do some research."

I used to be a firm believer in Christianity too. I was raised going to church every Sunday morning and night, and sometimes on Wednesday night. It took a lot of personal struggle before I finally came upon the proof that reincarnation is real, and I don't have to fear God's wrath for believing it.

The truth is there, but you have to do some digging to find it. Then you have to allow yourself to get rid of the brainwashing that goes with religion.
Reincarnation does not take anything away from the main stream teachings of Jesus. I don't know why Christians are soooooo against it.

It is my personal belief that if a person accepts Jesus, they don't have to come back anymore; their slate has been wiped clean. But, still, some continue to come to teach and help others.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by fastbob72

 

Dear is not my job to convince you of anything or change your believes, that is for you to do at your leisure if you are ready and willing, if you life is good and healthy as it is with what you believe on right now, more power for you.

Is a fact that the body produces electrical impulses no a myth or a legend, fallacy and neither a theory.

Disruptions in the body can cause the electrical charges to fire inappropriately, resulting in serious medical conditions. A procedure called an electroencephalogram (EEG) can measure the impulses in the brain to ensure proper activity.

Read more: www.ehow.com...

I'm not disputing that the body produces electrical impulses,that's never in question.All I'm disputing is the need of a soul to produce them.You said it provides the energy for our body and mind,without one we'd die and that's what i find a bit hard to accept that's all.

Particularly when people cite the conservation of energy as a fact,which it is.The argument goes like we're made of energy,energy can't created or destroyed only converted so it must follow that we can't die but this energy you talk of is never defined.

I'm not asking for anyone to change my beliefs or convince me of anything and I'm certainly happy with my life but I just think ( and admittedly it wasn't you that claimed that we can't die by using energy and physics as proof) if somebody is going to base their argument for the afterlife with the laws of physics then they should be able to define the energy their describing beyond universal.

Fair enough if you frame your argument in physics and then bring metaphysical variables into the equation you're whole argument loses it's merit,that's my contention - though when I say you,i mean a generic you not you specifically

Read more: www.ehow.com...

Originally posted by Meaningless
No. When we die our life ends, that's it. Just like before we were born, nothing and after we die it'll be the same.

No, there is plurality on this issue. You no longer possess the luxury of simply claiming denial as the rational thinking default and parsimonious explanation.

While fanciful views of potential after-lives are certainly not proven, in a scientific sense by any means - the question however is now open, through observation. It has been repeated, however not measured or set with parameters of repeatability. Weaknesses certainly from a scientific standpoint.

To make this claim, you need to bring evidence now. I do not find your statement credible.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by fastbob72
I have to admit that although I can't claim to know for sure whether there's an afterlife or not.The feeling in my gut though leaves me in almost full agreement with Meaningless.The whole idea that it's got to get better because of the hardships we go through in life I find a little strange.

You/we won the lottery by being born at all and having a life,to say because it's damn hard at times we're due something in return when we die sounds like a cross between ego and sense of entitlement,,a sign of our times you could say.I mean.

Indeed, it is best to live life thinking this is the one shot "blessing" we get. Experience and enjoy.
Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but to focus an entire life on the prospect seems at the very least, wasting the life you got to begin with (monks, priests, etc).

But don't be fooled into thinking meaningless doesn't have his own religion going. he keeps talking about death as a thing people can avoid, like wearing plaid or something. He has his own view of afterlife (probably tech, or he believes in vampires, who knows..he may eventually explain), and his religion allows for full knowledge of any alternate hypothesis (hense why he is comfortable not just doubting, but speaking with authority that there in fact is nothing at all, period....he has mystical knowledge of that, that we meager humans are not privy to)

Personally, I don't know...doesn't make sense, but neither did the ghost experience I had. so..I am open to the idea, enjoy the odd speculation on it, but otherwise, keeping my nose here on earth and living the life I do know I am having. If candy and gold awaits after, then awesome, if not...well, at least I tried to have the best life I could have had anyhow. All a bit pointless, but meh, better than nothing.

Well yes I'd picked up on the whole 'we can live as long as we chose to' remark in his posts but hadn't got round to prying for some further explanation of what he meant.I'm sure he'll enlighten us when he feels we're ready.lol.

All I'm going on in the end of the day is my gut feeling about god,religion and the afterlife but i'll admit that I could well be wrong but I'm not going to stress about it because whatever the truth actually is i'll find out soon enough

.And when my time does come I expect I'll not be letting go of life that easily.I'm not scared of death but i'm certainly not looking foward to the actual dying bit.lol

I do find the idea of that being the end quite comforting,I enjoy my sleep afterall.lol

Guess what, when we're dying, our brain cells are dying and firing in parallel much more faster than usual (probably exponentially faster, who knows to what degree). My theory is that an experience that shows on EEG as being only thirty seconds long might be perceived as much, much longer by the dying person due to massively-accelerated parallel processing (happening in an overclocked fashion) within the brain.

You know how they say that hummingbirds might experience the world more slowly. Like this, but within the dying brain. The scary thing is if the cells are dying in parallel, what if the processing accelerates towards infinity vs. normal daily consciousness? You could experience a near eternity "locked in".

That would be a scientific hypothesis that might explain why people get NDEs aligned with their own beliefs, that heaven is what you want it to be, stories like that.

I am just calling dibs on this theory as I'm tired of having theories and then reading about them being thought up by others LATER. Ha.

I personally hope this isn't true, it sounds like a lot of time in one's fantasy, absolute isolation with virtual characters...

Originally posted by Meaningless
reply to post by karmajayne

 

Nothing should scare you. You live how long and how you want. Make children and die, hoping your children continues on. This is what life has for us.

There's no other way to put it. Beliefs are meant to divide, make us malleable and cold-hearted against those who think otherwise. We're just animals with nothing special going on. But the sooner we accept that there's nothing waiting for us when we die, the sooner we can come together and make the world a much better place instead of letting careless leaders destroy and savage countries around the world.

That is a rather sad outlook on life...

Though I suppose it explains your name...

*sigh*

Personally I was quite the opposite from what you describe before I found my beliefs...

No wonder so many people are depressed in this world... :shk:

Originally posted by AkumaStreak
Guess what, when we're dying, our brain cells are dying and firing in parallel much more faster than usual (probably exponentially faster, who knows to what degree). My theory is that an experience that shows on EEG as being only thirty seconds long might be perceived as much, much longer by the dying person due to massively-accelerated parallel processing (happening in an overclocked fashion) within the brain.

You know how they say that hummingbirds might experience the world more slowly. Like this, but within the dying brain. The scary thing is if the cells are dying in parallel, what if the processing accelerates towards infinity vs. normal daily consciousness? You could experience a near eternity "locked in".

That would be a scientific hypothesis that might explain why people get NDEs aligned with their own beliefs, that heaven is what you want it to be, stories like that.

I am just calling dibs on this theory as I'm tired of having theories and then reading about them being thought up by others LATER. Ha.

I personally hope this isn't true, it sounds like a lot of time in one's fantasy, absolute isolation with virtual characters...

Well that's a daunting prospect but I hope you're not right and now you've cursed yourself to experiencing an eternity of being 'locked in',sounds like a real hell to me !!!

I'm sure I recently read an article about how cells died almost like wave of death going through the body.Maybe in a similar fashion to the way metal conducts heat but in reverse,instead of the atoms becoming 'excited' which 'excites' the next atom almost like a line of dominos it suggested that a cell died which triggered the next cell to die and so on,

As for the brain firing much faster making our experience of time slow right down,I've experienced this during several nasty car crashes (if you race cars,it's an real hazard.lol) either time genuinely slows right down or my brain is running so much faster.I tend to favour the latter I just wish I could switch my brain into that level of overdrive at will

Btw,take out a patent on the afterlife theory while you still can

Originally posted by Meaningless
reply to post by marg6043

 

People can claim anything, it doesn't mean it's true though.



reply to post by abeverage

 

I could ask you the same thing.



reply to post by 001ggg100

 

When the body dies so does the brain. What you feel and think right now will be ALL gone. It's hard to accept it, anyone would get offended if their beliefs were challenged.

But like I've been saying, you guys are already fixated on what you believe. Those stories got to you, the fuzzy little emotions and the cry for something better than the life we have now has you believe a bunch of bs. And after all that, your only life makes you arrogant and doing so you'll never realize the huge mistake you've made in believing what others have told you. Beliefs are meant to divide and give us false hope. Learn it now before you're driven to an unnecessary death.

One last thing I won't be arguing anymore, it's pointless. When you guys don't care it's useless for me to go on. I've said what I wanted to say and that's all I came here to do.

Hey Meaningless, thank you for responding to me... I didn't expect it. I only responded because, well, your response smacked of a position that lent me to believe that you were privy to info that I was not...

First Off, I didn't say I believed in life after death, I said I don't know... As far as I KNOW, I've never died... So I have NO idea what happens to us when we die....

Secondly, you have called me ARROGANT....I never said that I believed in life after death. I said I have no idea what happens to us when we die... Would you please show me the definitive proof that life after death does not exist.... How does this make me ARROGANT?

Third, what proof do you have that the conscience doesn't exist after the body dies? I really want to know... I haven't found ANYTHING to prove otherwise... Or, for that matter that it does....

Please back up your beliefs with some form of proof...

Again, thank you for responding....

Annie Kagan, the author, tells the story of the channeled messages she received from her deceased brother, Billy. He told her detailed accounts of what happens when a person dies.

The anecdotes are result of one who has communed with deceptive spirits as a 'medium' (channeling is also a form of entity possession that is not of the Good Spirit in 'taking over' the consciousness), and all who embark on violations of the Law open themselves up to be misled in such ways, especially to the beings that are then granted access to their consciousness for such, foregoing Kingdom (Spirit of Truth) Protections willfully.

There are elements of truth and elements of lies in the testimony involving what lies beyond, so to speak.

Be careful not to be misled to believe there is not a Judgement after the closing period of an incarnation cycle. The Bible has much merit in it's Warnings of this age of great deceptions and let no man or woman deceive you.

The testimony seeks to limit the severity of spiritual accountability that can be faced for unrepentant transgressions and a left hand path will not Serve Well, for there are many spiritual wolves in the midst that seek to overcome the soul for their own means of power.