The Afterlife Revealed... Step By Step

Originally posted by King Loki
As a medical scientists I can almost guarantee you that there is no god, no after life and no actual supernatural occurrences ....

Dude ... you are dead wrong.
I've experienced them. They ARE real.
I GUARANTEE IT. (not 'almost' .... but fully!)

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by Meaningless
No. When we die our life ends, that's it. Just like before we were born, nothing and after we die it'll be the same. Life continues on and you will have never known the tricks that played you till death. I know it seems harsh but it is what it is. What's good is that death can be avoided but it's hard when we're bred to believe death is inevitable and that the only true happiness comes AFTER you die.

Having absolutely no real evidence other than what people tell us, it's safe to assume the afterlife is a lie created to scam us of our lives. Of course there will always be believers who say otherwise. Lying rewards more than telling the truth. But who really cares what I have to say? You can't argue with those who already made their mind up, some just can't or else they wouldn't have a job, this I understand. And what do they say? Respect people's beliefs? even if they're being lead to a pointless death....

2nd the majority of what you state!!
Dead means dead!!! And life is quite pointless!!
Better not to have been born in the first place!!
Nothingness is the real heaven!
Sorry to disappoint deluded believers but thats the reality!!!!

Define nothingness. Do the "lights go out"? is it black/dark?
I have a hard time with nothingness. I have skeptical friends who say "when you die, you die" that's it. Darkness, nothing at all. Well then you're still experiencing something aren't you?. The darkness, nothingness.

Peace

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I agree with everything you said except the no god part. I'm a scientist as well and I'm totally OK with god :-) you just have to approach religion with the same concepts that help weed out the crap in science. You eventually realize half the stuff that makes people hate god has no standing in the reality of true spirituality.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite
Semantics dont change the fact that dead is dead!!
Dellusion doesnt change that fact!!

Like I said .... we are energy and energy doesn't die. Only the shell dies.
Semantics doesn't change that fact.

Yes, our body's heat for instance, dissipating after death. There's energy, but not the large amounts that some seem to believe requires the continuation of 'life' or conscious experience in one form or another. It wouldn't be death if that was the case.

To all unbelievers:
You don't believe in God, you don't believe in afterlife, you don't believe in ghosts, etc. -How ignorant can you be?

I grew up my whole life seeing spirits, angels, and beings, that I can't even name, but please allow me to give you an example...

I finished college at 22 and that's when I moved out of my parents' home, their building and even went to live in another country, but before that. ...

When I was around 20 I woke up one morning to seeing an old woman sitting at my study desk ( around 80) with curly, short, white hair, a beige colored dress with flowers and she kept looking at me. So I sat up in my bed. She started talking to me. I couldn't hear her ( my abilities weren't refined enough, so I could only see a spirit or hear a spirit back then, but not both at the same time.) So after I sat up, and she finished talking to me I told her" I can't hear you!" Then she looked like she started shouting! So I told her again, " I'm sorry, I can see you, but I cannot hear you like this!"

She looked at me really disappointed,sighed, and slowly vanished into thin air.
Later that week I met my neighbor from the 5th floor, ( we lived on the 4 th floor, we only moved their since I was 14, so we have only lived there for 6 years) and I told her about my visit from this spirit.

She told me that she had seen good old Martha a couple of times herself, most recently once in her kitchen! ( She knew it was Martha, an elderly woman, who lived there for over 50 years after I gave her my description of the ghost, Apparently Martha had past away before my family moved into the building.)

She also told me that the spirit of Martha had also visited another neighbor, and just stood there, watching that neighbor, and talking to her.

Now I never knew Martha, never even heard about her, after I saw and described her spirit. So there is no way you can say I imagined the whole thing.
How can I imagine someone and describe it to a neighbor, when I have never even met that spirit when it was in flesh and alive before my family even moved in????

There were a few more sightings of old Martha but after while we all stopped seeing her, and my neighbor said, she had moved on to heaven.

So all you skeptics can talk all you want, but I have seen too many spirits ( and angels on rare occasions) in my life, one of them being my late grandfather, and one of them being this old lady neighbor, whom I've never met in real life, but perfectly described to my neighbors, who have known her!!!


If you had the gift of 'seeing' or even if your hearts were just a little more open and pure, you wouldn't be saying an afterlife doesn't' exist. I have had plenty of proof, and I am happy knowing that when my body dies, my loved ones will be waiting for me in heaven.

Originally posted by cody599

Originally posted by RP2SticksOfDynamite

Originally posted by cody599
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You're welcome

Cody

But still no afterlife!!
Dead is dead!!!

Not possible

Logic says the energy stored continues on in a different form and therefore lives.

I'm confused. You had a sound explanation of energy yet 'support' an afterlife belief? This energy has nothing to do with the continuation of brain activity.

Originally posted by King LokiAs a medical scientists I can almost guarantee you that there is no god, no after life and no actual supernatural occurrences ....

Absolute baloney, science claims no such thing.

reply to post by Rainbowresidue


This is not an attempt to insult at all, but typically the "gift of sight" is some type of mental disorder. Often times Schizophrenia.

en.wikipedia.org...

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Dear God!!
I've had brain scan (MRI)at the age of 23 when I was involved in a car crash, and luckily I had no injuries, and my brain was fine. So there goes that theory of yours, but please try to tell me in spite of the mri how I must be sick in the head since i was 4 years old, because I can see spirits.....

And my grandmother also had the gift, and because of my occupation I have traveled around the world and met different people with the ability to see spirits, but you , I'm sure are going to say, they must all be sick in the head! How low can you get???

Originally posted by King LokiThere is so much evidence for nothing happening after death that i wouldn't even know where to begin explaining it to you ...

It would be like trying to teach a 1 year old how to speak Icelandic (not a shot at your intelligence by the way, I'm just explaining how hard it would be to converge all the facts for the absence of life after deaths in less then 2-3 days full work)

Bring it right on out Loki. In my labs I find the difference between a promising scientist and a pretender is the ability to explain conceptual arguments in concise elegant form, and re-expressed in terms in their own words.

When they say it's 'too complicated' or the research 'too involved,' the old alarms start lighting off.

You underestimate your listeners.

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Originally posted by raymundoko
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They were probably looking for brain swelling and damage, not mental disorders. Again, I'm not calling you crazy, but as a scientist am fairly certain there is a medical explanation for what you see. Usually Schizo MRI's are ordered by psychologists and the results are reviewed by specialized neurologists.

Trust me , my brain is fine. You are the one who is missing out on the big picture of life, not me.

Without giving away too much of my personal life, I have a degree in child psychology, and had to participate in many volunteer test and observations.... so again my brain is 100% healthy, I can assure you of that.

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You're confused, I am very spiritual and believe in God. I just believe what the bible says and you don't, that's all.

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I'm agnostic, wouls like to believe in something, but its hard. However I don't see why its so difficult to consider a continuance.. especially wen you consider that we couls live in a virtual realitt of sorts right now. What would be so different? Also the only continuation I've ever considered has been theough kids, keeping genes alive. Who knows maybe our same consciousness exists two or three at a time wth kids and grandkids and we are unaware.

Before we were born it was unimagineable to use that we would be born but against phenomenal odds we were. Who knows. I have a sexond theory that scares me and I hope is incorrect.

Originally posted by raymundoko
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Your edit just bolsters my original opinion as Schizophrenia has been proven to have a genetic component. Google it if you want.

No, my friend, I'm a teacher, who cares too much about spelling.

This is not an attempt to insult at all, but typically the "gift of sight" is some type of mental disorder. Often times Schizophrenia.

He was admitted to the McLean Hospital, April–May 1959, where he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

John Forbes Nash? Paranoid Schizophrenia? 1959? LOL! These two 'disorders' as you pejoratively term the former, have nothing to do with each other from a clinical standpoint. This is just throwing a baseless claim up on the wall, hoping it will stick, and insult.

Here is a list of 180 established disorders, inside the domain of which there resides much much more sound plausible nature of such a claim:

en.wikipedia.org...

But you still have to come armed with published predictive and falsification testing results.

Originally posted by TheEthicalSkeptic

This is not an attempt to insult at all, but typically the "gift of sight" is some type of mental disorder. Often times Schizophrenia.

He was admitted to the McLean Hospital, April–May 1959, where he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.

John Forbes Nash? Paranoid Schizophrenia? 1959? LOL! These two 'disorders' as you pejoratively term the former, have nothing to do with each other from a clinical standpoint. This is just throwing a baseless claim up on the wall, hoping it will stick, and insult.

Here is a list of 180 established disorders, inside the domain of which there resides much much more sound plausible nature of such a claim:

en.wikipedia.org...

But you still have to come armed with published predictive and falsification testing results.

Thank you! And he would still have to take a scan of my brain, perform many tests, before he can deem me unfit to live within society.
Sheesh!! There's always a first , I guess.

Originally posted by raymundokoAgain, I'm not calling you crazy, but as a scientist am fairly certain there is a medical explanation for what you see. Usually Schizo MRI's are ordered by psychologists and the results are reviewed by specialized neurologists.

ray, as a scientist then you know, that conceptual plausible conformance is not acceptable as evidence once, a threshold of predictability and repeatability has been established.

You do not hold the Ockham's Razor, so you cannot say this. It does not mean you are wrong. But you have to bring more than this.