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Yeah, like most people, I've heard that quote about a hundred times.
I wonder why he was a Cherokee.... I mean, why would there be any different tribes? They were evidently peaceful people that never did anything bad, wouldn't they all be one tribe? Hrmm..
So you are seriously of the opinion that all of the various tribes and cultures of the americas both north and south lived in harmony and peace with each other? That the american continent was John Lennon's wet dream before the white man showed up?
I just want to know if that is SERIOUSLY what you believe. A yes or no answer would be good enough for me.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Astounding how stupid the whole world is collectively. We are smart individually but like a Zombie collectively. Can anybody explain this?
This is the question you want addressed, is it not? Believe it or not, this is human behavior. No, no, sorry, not human. Animal behavior.
(Facepalm)
Ever taken a gander at the history of the ancient pueblo peoples and many of their decline? Its largely agreed this was due to an ethnic cleansing of the region due to warring tribes over stressing their land and needing to compete for resources
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by paganini
(Facepalm)
Ever taken a gander at the history of the ancient pueblo peoples and many of their decline? Its largely agreed this was due to an ethnic cleansing of the region due to warring tribes over stressing their land and needing to compete for resources
where did the Anasazi go? Did they hack each other to death?
www.cliffdwellingsmuseum.com...
Its all theory anyway. "Oh hey, look at this broken pot, some wild woman must've cracked a few skulls with it."
Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
I've already replied and made my peace, but I'd also like to add that these America is evil! threads are based on ignorance, hate, and to finally put a term I created to use, a classic case of the Secular Blame Reaction Effect.
A psychological disposition, very basic and almost primal, in which someone blames most or all problems on a particular sect of group of people (religions, races, genders, cultures, countries, etc).
Something many ATSers seem to be suffering from nowadays.
And many people in general.
Basically, its a fashion statement, and unfortunately, its fashionable to hate Americans nowadays. So, people like the OP jump on the bandwagon, spread hateful disinformation, and sit back as people argue and debate over it almost as though its something worth talking about. Its a plea for attention.
And, like the attention seeking OP wanted, this thread is blowing up.
Pathetic.
Originally posted by paganini
The team spent the summer excavating ruins of the ancient city of Cancuen in central Guatemala and dug up at least 45 skeletons belonging to members of the Mayan royal court who appear to have been ritually slaughtered by an as-yet unknown horde of assailants.
the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker wrote in 2007, "quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own."
Originally posted by sonnny1
Originally posted by covertpanther
Basically this thread shows that Americans will point a finger at everyone except themselves - and when they do confront themselves, its the 'so what, we won' mentality.
Yawn.
Ive admitted it on page one. Atrocities did happen. But OP didn't want to face the distinct fact that Disease, Mother Earths Genocide on Humans, etc..........played its role too. To a much bigger GENOCIDE. And for those like you who want to point the finger at Americans for every thing under the sun?
Im surprised "Zionists" haven't been blamed for Native American killings also..............
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by paganini
I love how people grasp onto "may have been" like its gospel.
Are you at all familiar with desert wildlife like coyotes and turkey buzzards? They and other carrion tend to dismember and mangle anything left on the ground for archeologists to later discover.
Am I saying the ancients didn't do war? No, I'm saying there has been no evidence that I'm aware of that doesn't have multiple possible explanations.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity
Many Americans have said we feel terrible for what happened to the natives. What exactly are you wanting us to do?
Most Americans don't KNOW what happened to the natives and I can't speak for anyone else but I sure would like to see more people make the effort to find out what actually did happen to them.
Or did you think the "Indian Removal Act" was about burying the poor Indians who died from disease?
en.wikipedia.org...
"They made us many promises, more than I can remember. But they kept but one - They promised to take our land...and they took it." -- Chief Red Cloud
archaeological evidence of mass migrations, deforestation , mass graves filled with people with weapon marks on their skulls
but yeaaaaah its likely their wasnt any one getting their genocide on at the time.
You already dug yourself in a deep enough hole when you dismissed archaeology as just looking at a broken pot
come back when you actually have a reasonable argument vs your current attempts at just trying to save face after this blunder you made
The analysis discovered that up to 1 in 6 skulls exhumed in Scandinavia from the late Stone Age — between about 6,000 and 3,700 years ago — had nasty head injuries. And contrary to findings from mass gravesites of the period, women were equally likely to be victims of deadly blows, according to the study published in the February issue of the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.