Americans committed the worst genocide in world history

reply to post by James1982

Yeah, like most people, I've heard that quote about a hundred times.

I wonder why he was a Cherokee.... I mean, why would there be any different tribes? They were evidently peaceful people that never did anything bad, wouldn't they all be one tribe? Hrmm..

So you are seriously of the opinion that all of the various tribes and cultures of the americas both north and south lived in harmony and peace with each other? That the american continent was John Lennon's wet dream before the white man showed up?

I just want to know if that is SERIOUSLY what you believe. A yes or no answer would be good enough for me.

I can't prove they lived in complete peace and you can't prove they didn't but making up stories to make everyone sound as equally evil as we know ourselves to be just doesn't work for me. Show me how the ancients butchered one another over little pieces of paper and metal called money like your counterparts have done for thousands of years.

Once I was in Victoria, and I saw a very large house.

They told me it was a bank and that the white men place their money there to be taken care of, and that by and by they got it back with interest.

We are Indians and we have no such bank, but when we have plenty of money or blankets, we give them away to other chiefs and people, and by and by they return them with interest, and our hearts feel good.

Our way of giving is our bank. - Chief Maquinna, Mowachaht (died circa 1795)


Here's another quote you may not have heard.

Upon suffering beyond suffering:

The Red Nation shall rise again and it shall be a blessing for a sick world; a world filled with broken promises, selfishness and separations; a world longing for light again.

I see a time of Seven Generations when all the colors of mankind will gather under the Sacred Tree of Life and the whole Earth will become one circle again.

In that day, there will be those among the Lakota who will carry knowledge and understanding of unity among all living things and the young white ones will come to those of my people and ask for this wisdom.

I salute the light within your eyes where the whole Universe dwells. For when you are at that center within you and I am that place within me, we shall be one." - Crazy Horse, Oglala Lakota Sioux (circa 1840-1877)

Okay, so those warnings were ignored like all the rest and you are living in a sick world of broken promises, selfishness and separation, but rather than look for the light to discover how it was broken and work to heal it, you close your eyes and plug your ears. Will being blind and deaf bring you happiness?

reply to post by GeneralChaos


LOL, oh ok. I thought this was a serious thread. Anyone who insists on throwing out insults in every post like a 7 year old who had his gameboy taken away is obviously having one on, because, c'mon, who can fail so miserably at being a troll?

Originally posted by AfterInfinity

 

Astounding how stupid the whole world is collectively. We are smart individually but like a Zombie collectively. Can anybody explain this?

This is the question you want addressed, is it not? Believe it or not, this is human behavior. No, no, sorry, not human. Animal behavior.

Okay, so you agree with me. I find this depressing, don't you? But it is what it is.

dupe

reply to post by paganini

(Facepalm)

Ever taken a gander at the history of the ancient pueblo peoples and many of their decline? Its largely agreed this was due to an ethnic cleansing of the region due to warring tribes over stressing their land and needing to compete for resources

where did the Anasazi go? Did they hack each other to death?

www.cliffdwellingsmuseum.com...

Its all theory anyway. "Oh hey, look at this broken pot, some wild woman must've cracked a few skulls with it."

I've already replied and made my peace, but I'd also like to add that these America is evil! threads are based on ignorance, hate, and to finally put a term I created to use, a classic case of the Secular Blame Reaction Effect.

A psychological disposition, very basic and almost primal, in which someone blames most or all problems on a particular sect of group of people (religions, races, genders, cultures, countries, etc).

Something many ATSers seem to be suffering from nowadays.

And many people in general.

Basically, its a fashion statement, and unfortunately, its fashionable to hate Americans nowadays. So, people like the OP jump on the bandwagon, spread hateful disinformation, and sit back as people argue and debate over it almost as though its something worth talking about. Its a plea for attention.

And, like the attention seeking OP wanted, this thread is blowing up.

Pathetic.

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by paganini

 

(Facepalm)

Ever taken a gander at the history of the ancient pueblo peoples and many of their decline? Its largely agreed this was due to an ethnic cleansing of the region due to warring tribes over stressing their land and needing to compete for resources

where did the Anasazi go? Did they hack each other to death?

www.cliffdwellingsmuseum.com...

Its all theory anyway. "Oh hey, look at this broken pot, some wild woman must've cracked a few skulls with it."

sigh

Stress on the environment may have been reflected in the social structure, leading to conflict and warfare. Near Kayenta, Arizona, Jonathan Haas of the Field Museum in Chicago has been studying a group of Ancient Pueblo villages that relocated from the canyons to the high mesa tops during the late 13th century. The only reason Haas can see for a move so far from water and arable land is defense against enemies. He asserts that isolated communities relied on raiding for food and supplies, and that internal conflict and warfare became common in the 13th century.
This conflict may have been aggravated by the influx of less settled peoples, Numic-speakers such as the Utes, Shoshones and Paiute people, who may have originated in what is today California. Others suggest that more developed villages, such as that at Chaco Canyon overstressed their environment, resulting in widespread deforestation and eventually the fall of their civilization through warfare over depleted resources.
A 1997 excavation at Cowboy Wash near Dolores, Colorado, found remains of at least twenty-four human skeletons that showed evidence of violence and dismemberment, with strong indications of cannibalism. This modest community appears to have been abandoned during the same time period.[23] Other excavations within the Ancient Pueblo culture area produce varying numbers of unburied, and in some cases dismembered, bodies.[24] In a 2010 paper, Potter and Chuipka argued that evidence at Sacred Ridge Site, near Durango, Colorado, is best interpreted as ethnic cleansing

But yes all archaeology is looking a broken pot lol

jesus christ have the sense and humility to acknowledge when you made an error or stepped out of your area of knowledge

Originally posted by XxNightAngelusxX
I've already replied and made my peace, but I'd also like to add that these America is evil! threads are based on ignorance, hate, and to finally put a term I created to use, a classic case of the Secular Blame Reaction Effect.

A psychological disposition, very basic and almost primal, in which someone blames most or all problems on a particular sect of group of people (religions, races, genders, cultures, countries, etc).

Something many ATSers seem to be suffering from nowadays.

And many people in general.

Basically, its a fashion statement, and unfortunately, its fashionable to hate Americans nowadays. So, people like the OP jump on the bandwagon, spread hateful disinformation, and sit back as people argue and debate over it almost as though its something worth talking about. Its a plea for attention.

And, like the attention seeking OP wanted, this thread is blowing up.

Pathetic.

FROM WOUNDED KNEE TO LIBYA:

A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS

academic.evergreen.edu...

The list is too long to copy. Read it and weep.

Here ill be generous and help you further

the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker wrote in 2007, "quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own."

Native Americans definitely waged war long before Europeans showed up. The evidence is especially strong in the American Southwest, where archaeologists have found numerous skeletons with projectile points embedded in them and other marks of violence; war seems to have surged during periods of drought. But scientists such as Pinker, Keeley and LeBlanc have replaced the myth of the noble savage with the myth of the savage savage.
blogs.scientificamerican.com...

Archaeologists have uncovered evidence of a 1,200-year-old massacre in Guatemala that could provide clues to one of the enduring mysteries of central American history - the precipitous collapse of the once glorious Maya civilisation.

The team spent the summer excavating ruins of the ancient city of Cancuen in central Guatemala and dug up at least 45 skeletons belonging to members of the Mayan royal court who appear to have been ritually slaughtered by an as-yet unknown horde of assailants.

Scholars have long debated how, and how quickly, the Maya civilisation came to an end. The evidence unearthed by the archaeological team, led by a scholar from Vanderbilt University in Tennessee and funded by the National Geographic Society and the National Endowment for the Humanities, makes the strongest case yet the collapse was the result of a vicious war.
www.independent.co.uk...

reply to post by paganini


I love how people grasp onto "may have been" like its gospel.

Are you at all familiar with desert wildlife like coyotes and turkey buzzards? They and other carrion tend to dismember and mangle anything left on the ground for archeologists to later discover.

Am I saying the ancients didn't do war? No, I'm saying there has been no evidence that I'm aware of that doesn't have multiple possible explanations.

Originally posted by paganini


The team spent the summer excavating ruins of the ancient city of Cancuen in central Guatemala and dug up at least 45 skeletons belonging to members of the Mayan royal court who appear to have been ritually slaughtered by an as-yet unknown horde of assailants.

Must have been evil white men wearing English regalia.

reply to post by paganini

the Harvard psychologist Steven Pinker wrote in 2007, "quantitative body counts—such as the proportion of prehistoric skeletons with ax marks and embedded arrowheads or the proportion of men in a contemporary foraging tribe who die at the hands of other men—suggest that pre-state societies were far more violent than our own."

Ah jeez, he's a freaking psychologist with his own axe to grind. When did he personally examine these bodies and what are his qualifications to do so?
en.wikipedia.org...

I am so not impressed.

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by covertpanther


Basically this thread shows that Americans will point a finger at everyone except themselves - and when they do confront themselves, its the 'so what, we won' mentality.

Yawn.

Ive admitted it on page one. Atrocities did happen. But OP didn't want to face the distinct fact that Disease, Mother Earths Genocide on Humans, etc..........played its role too. To a much bigger GENOCIDE. And for those like you who want to point the finger at Americans for every thing under the sun?

Im surprised "Zionists" haven't been blamed for Native American killings also..............

Your ignorance is unbelivable - well it would be if you werent an American, by being one, your ignorance is expected.

Did you even read my posts before replying or 'yawning' at me like a smart ass? Probably not.

I said it twice now; its not about Americans, because, WHERE DID THE AMERICANS ROOT FROM.

Read things before you open up your smart ass mentality on the internet. Its not acceptable in a mature conversation.

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by paganini

 

I love how people grasp onto "may have been" like its gospel.

Are you at all familiar with desert wildlife like coyotes and turkey buzzards? They and other carrion tend to dismember and mangle anything left on the ground for archeologists to later discover.

Am I saying the ancients didn't do war? No, I'm saying there has been no evidence that I'm aware of that doesn't have multiple possible explanations.

So lets see

archaeological evidence of mass migrations, deforestation , mass graves filled with people with weapon marks on their skulls


but yeaaaaah its likely their wasnt any one getting their genocide on at the time.

You already dug yourself in a deep enough hole when you dismissed archaeology as just looking at a broken pot

come back when you actually have a reasonable argument vs your current attempts at just trying to save face after this blunder you made

Probably already covered many times, BUT... Blaming America collectively (especially today) is silly. My family came over from Ireland by way of Scandinavia 100 years ago and did not participate in either the Indian's downfall or Black slavery. I was saddened and ashamed when I learned of the Trail of Tears and all the other atrocities, but I had nothing to do with them and neither did any of my kin. A good portion of America was dragged here against their will as slaves, so their descendants have nothing to feel guilty about.

What we can feel guilty about is the debasement of a conquered people. End the reservation system; if they want to keep it as sovereign land, fine, but no more government checks, no more help. They live, die or assimilate as a proud people beholden to no one. The system we have now is practically slavery. (And American Indians are no more native than I am; they came from Europe and Asia).

Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

Many Americans have said we feel terrible for what happened to the natives. What exactly are you wanting us to do?

Most Americans don't KNOW what happened to the natives and I can't speak for anyone else but I sure would like to see more people make the effort to find out what actually did happen to them.

Or did you think the "Indian Removal Act" was about burying the poor Indians who died from disease?
en.wikipedia.org...

"They made us many promises, more than I can remember. But they kept but one - They promised to take our land...and they took it." -- Chief Red Cloud

And? WHAT DO YOU WANT US TO DO? PLEASE TELL ME SO WE CAN MOVE ON!

reply to post by ThinkingHuman


Hi ThinkingHuman,

Maybe one reason that the Human Collective ignores the facts about what the government was doing to clear the land of Native Americans is what Kerry Cassidy describes as a malevolent agenda by some members of the Illuminati?

Check her out @minute 1:12:44 ....



Ta ta for now,

Toni Slate

reply to post by paganini

archaeological evidence of mass migrations, deforestation , mass graves filled with people with weapon marks on their skulls

but yeaaaaah its likely their wasnt any one getting their genocide on at the time.

You already dug yourself in a deep enough hole when you dismissed archaeology as just looking at a broken pot

come back when you actually have a reasonable argument vs your current attempts at just trying to save face after this blunder you made

Well, on the off chance that I could be wrong I went looking for articles and pictures on all these ancient broken heads you're talking about and lo and behold, the first one that popped up, with pictures included, was this one:

The analysis discovered that up to 1 in 6 skulls exhumed in Scandinavia from the late Stone Age — between about 6,000 and 3,700 years ago — had nasty head injuries. And contrary to findings from mass gravesites of the period, women were equally likely to be victims of deadly blows, according to the study published in the February issue of the American Journal of Physical Anthropology.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

reply to post by ThinkingHuman


You know I understand where you are coming from , I think. However as tragic and damning as murder and these atrocities are I was not alive or asked my opinion on them. I think when we feel it need full to point out wrong doing we need to point at those who did it and make a distinction from those who carried and fired the weapon from those who are told about it decades later. It's a person issue not a country. America is a land of many various races and cultural backgrounds etc. To pound and pound "Americans are guilty of this and that doesn't do anything for the dead or change the heart of a killer. I guess I am sorry it happens and I make sure I don't partake or approve . I think in the end we all get what we have coming when we rob and kill to have what isn't ours in the first place. s/f