Why should Immoral people change?

reply to post by wildtimes

Ignorance has everything to do with education, everywhere. Education is the cure for ignorance.

cure for ignorance is knowledge, education is a tool, not everyone benefits from education by converting it to knowledge. Very educated people can be very ignorant too and yet believe themselves as knowledgeable just because of their education.

reply to post by logical7

Very educated people can be very ignorant too and yet believe themselves as knowledgeable just because of their education.

Very true. No argument here.
The POINT is looking 'beyond' what a person's 'formal education' taught them, and to participate in LIFE-LONG LEARNING. The most important thing in education is teaching people how to learn!!

None of the rote facts or mathematical formulas apply to continued education. A person must DEDICATE themselves to CONTINUING to learn, as new ideas and thoughts and theories spring up. My dad, when I as a little girl would ask, "What does this word mean?", would say to me, "Look It Up!" THAT is learning how to learn.

If a person can READ, they can LEARN.

REAL EDUCATION is KEY!!!

You are focusing on 'indoctrination', not 'education'.

reply to post by wildtimes

What? That sentence makes no sense. What are the negatives of my beliefs?

i could point the negatives more clearly if you have a clear belief, agnosticism of any kind is basically just "i don't know."
i do know that you wish for reincarnation and think that the purpose is to be a part of a death and rebirth cycle till enlightened and then join the source. Everyone will ultimately achieve it.
Well its just conjencture and so no better than or even worse than Judgement Day belief.
How can be a path more dear than destination and if it is, why should anyone show haste to become better? You have not answered me a question that i asked long long back, "did we come from the source and if yes then didnt we knew whatever is needed, so whats the point of the whole excercise?"(my belief has answers for it)
You want it that way because for you a lifetime is not enough to learn/experience everything.
When a belief is made to console a desire then it should be examined critically especially if its all conjenctures.

People who believe in reincarnation kill their baby girls, when Thomas Paine wrote Age of Reason, people committed suicide because we are hardwired for faith and reason, not reason alone and he destroyed their faith. Atheists and agnostics have higher incidence of suicides. A belief in a Creator is good but not enough the "why?" of creation is equally important as humans are thinking beings and the answer should make sense and not just hope that it will come in next birth, this belief itself feeds agnosticism rather than urgent investigation to find the TRUTH.

reply to post by wildtimes

You are focusing on 'indoctrination', not 'education'.

no, i mean academic education is not enough. I want to point to the lack of spiritual and moral education. How wise it is to make a person into a money earning machine with objective of "success/fame etc" hammered into the head and without a moral rudder?
An increasingly agnostic/atheistic world where because we don't know whats LATER, lets make the most of what is at hand surrounded and influenced by an ever falling standard of morality.

reply to post by logical7


Seriously... Where did you hear that people believing in reincarnation made them
Kill their children?!?

If thats even true... Which i highly doubt, it had nothing to do with reincarnation...

Reincarnation goes hand in hand with Karma... And killing a child would be a HUGE dig to that persons karma...

If it happened that person was a moron anyways... And likely would have killed his child either way...

I know you don't believe in drugs and alcohol... But if you think there is any validity to that...

You need to get off the glue bag

reply to post by logical7

People who believe in reincarnation kill their baby girls,

WHAT?!! Maybe the Hindus do, but Westerners do NOT!

when Thomas Paine wrote Age of Reason, people committed suicide

WHAT?!! Where the hell did you get THAT idea?

because we are hardwired for faith and reason, not reason alone and he destroyed their faith.

WHAT?!! Oh dude. Oh man, you have GOT to be kidding me.

Atheists and agnostics have higher incidence of suicides.

That is ridiculous.
You have offered no 'sources' to back up ANY of these outrageous claims.

All of which are bizarre.

reply to post by Akragon


OMG, right?!! This guy. Wow. I don't even know what more to say.
He's ranted about how the Hindus 'drown their baby girls in milk praying that they'll be reincarnated as boys'.
Which I SERIOUSLY doubt.......
(no source provided to prove it)......

Wow.

reply to post by wildtimes

Now, if you don't intend to answer the questions I asked you, just say so.

i don't think information about me would help you, if i was just influenced by events in my life, i would have a thinking more like you. My thinking is influenced largely by Qur'an and by me checking events in the light of Qur'an and finding again and again that it makes a lot of sense.
I would answer you things that i think are required, i am not an indoctrinated patient under analysis

reply to post by wildtimes


Ya unfortunately logical is not very logical... And has little to no idea about even the basic concepts of that particular belief...

Reincarnation is not a good thing... Yet people seem to think it is... Even christian throw that at me sometimes...

Killing a child because it wasn't a male IS actually something i've heard of in muslim areas of the world though... But i have no idea how much truth there is to it...

Anyone who kills a child has no clue what karma is... But they will find out soon after... Maybe not even in this life though... That just might be too much Karma to be sorted out in a single life time..

Logical.... Buddy.... You really have some serious problems with the crap you've been taught about other religions...

I mean.... Just wow...

reply to post by Akragon

If thats even true... Which i highly doubt, it had nothing to do with reincarnation...

and yet people killing in name of God has to be blamed on that religion's belief?!
I hope to just expose the double standard in general. I don't know if you also do it so ignore this if you don't.

reply to post by logical7

i don't think information about me would help you, if i was just influenced by events in my life, i would have a thinking more like you.

You WERE 'just influenced by events' in your life.....
and yes, information about you WOULD help me (us) to better assess your point of view.

Now you're trying to imply that I'm not educated? Oh, wow.
Ok.

Originally posted by logical7
reply to post by Akragon

 

If thats even true... Which i highly doubt, it had nothing to do with reincarnation...

and yet people killing in name of God has to be blamed on that religion's belief?!
I hope to just expose the double standard in general. I don't know if you also do it so ignore this if you don't.

That would be said persons problem... Killing in for any reason is acting as the hand of God...

And no man or woman has that authority.... And who ever is stupid enough to kill for their religion deserves whatever they get...

reply to post by Akragon

Killing a child because it wasn't a male IS actually something i've heard of in muslim areas of the world though... But i have no idea how much truth there is to it...

Anyone who kills a child has no clue what karma is... But they will find out soon after... Maybe not even in this life though... That just might be too much Karma to be sorted out in a single life time..

Infanticide was carried out across several cultures the world over.
link

Female infanticide is practiced by many hindus in rural areas in India even today. So why are you making it a muslim issue?

Secondly, female infanticide was practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia.
Mohammad put an end to it.

reply to post by logical7

and yet people killing in name of God has to be blamed on that religion's belief?!

What?
Really?

Yes, logical7,
"Killing in the name of God has to be blamed on that religion's belief". There is NO QUESTION about that!

reply to post by logical7

i could point the negatives more clearly if you have a clear belief, agnosticism of any kind is basically just "i don't know."

Which is the answer.
I
DON'T
KNOW.

It's a very 'clear belief'. I don't know. And neither do you. WE DON'T KNOW.
I believe we don't know.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by Akragon

 

Killing a child because it wasn't a male IS actually something i've heard of in muslim areas of the world though... But i have no idea how much truth there is to it...

Anyone who kills a child has no clue what karma is... But they will find out soon after... Maybe not even in this life though... That just might be too much Karma to be sorted out in a single life time..

Infanticide was carried out across several cultures the world over.
link

Female infanticide is practiced by many hindus in rural areas in India even today. So why are you making it a muslim issue?

Secondly, female infanticide was practiced in pre-Islamic Arabia.
Mohammad put an end to it.

So you completely missed where i said specifically... "i don't know how true it is"?

Its what i've heard... And again, if hindu's practice such things they apparently don't understand their own religion

India has killed 10 million girls in 20 years

"Who has killed these girl children? Their own parents." In some states, the minister said, newborn girls have been killed by pouring sand or tobacco juice into their nostrils. "The minute the child is born and she opens her mouth to cry, they put sand into her mouth and her nostrils so she chokes and dies," Chowdhury said, referring to cases in the western desert state of Rajasthan. "They bury infants into pots alive and bury the pots. They put tobacco into her mouth. They hang them upside down like a bunch of flowers to dry," she said. "We have more passion for tigers of this country. We have people fighting for stray dogs on the road. But you have a whole society that ruthlessly hunts down girl children."

now this is what Qur'an says,

surah 81
8. And when the female (infant) buried alive shall be questioned.
9. For what sin she was killed?

reply to post by logical7


What does that have to do with ANYTHING we are discussing?
We've already established that you blame 'the West', as well as Jews, Hindus, and 'colonists' for your plight.
You've refused to share your 'demographic' and 'educational' status -
and you've failed to refute that you are 'Wahhabi',

so, it's not hard to deduce that since you refuse to answer those questions, you are effectively admitting them as true.

reply to post by wildtimes


I don't get how he can point at anything in the west after linking an article like that.. which happens in his back yard!

Wtf....



We have some twisted people over here... But damn!!!

That is just demented!

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Ya unfortunately logical is not very logical... And has little to no idea about even the basic concepts of that particular belief...

Reincarnation is not a good thing... Yet people seem to think it is... Even christian throw that at me sometimes...

Killing a child because it wasn't a male IS actually something i've heard of in muslim areas of the world though... But i have no idea how much truth there is to it...

Anyone who kills a child has no clue what karma is... But they will find out soon after... Maybe not even in this life though... That just might be too much Karma to be sorted out in a single life time..

Logical.... Buddy.... You really have some serious problems with the crap you've been taught about other religions...

I mean.... Just wow...

i know the basic ideas of all major beliefs and i try to be true to my id!
If i appear illogical then correct me as i maybe wrong or try and ask me before judging as i may have an answer.
I am not saying reincarnation teaches feoticide/infanticide just like islam does not teach terrorism.
Why judge one belief by what their teachings are and another by what people of that belief do?
Do you see the double standard yet?