Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Catholics worship three gods, one of which is Mary. Your god is YHWH. Baal, his wife, and his son.

That is one of the stupidest things I've heard you say, and you know what I think of the rest of your theology.

Now I see why you don't denounce Reckart for his bigotry, hatred of others and hypocrisy -- you're every bit as guilty of them as he is.

I hate no one.

I am simply only teaching against the error of Mary worship.

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by wildtimes

 

That doesn't answer my question. In your opinion, are all those who profess to have had contact with the dead, in fact, dealing with demons instead?

No, but why take the chance of being deceived. Plus, Speaking to the dead is witchcraft and God speaks against it.

reply to post by colbe

You accept Jesus is your King, who else would be Queen but Mary? The darn Protestant anti-Marian protest.

Are you so immoral that you are incapable of seeing how nasty that is? And blasphemous. Yeshua is betrothed, and his Bride is his City, and her name is Zion, the spiritual Zion that comes down out of heaven as written in Revelation 21. Mary, doesn't have a high wall and surrounded by 12 gates.

You also have no idea of the relationship between the Ark, Temple and City or you could not speak of such wickedness against the Lord. You are also ignorant of the rites of marriage for Israelites.

You have the paganized trinity of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz.

Again, do more research before coming at me with disgusting things.

reply to post by colbe

Hey, the underlined isn't true, have you forgotten the anti-Christian threads you've started? Remember, in one of them, you spoke of attending the Atheist's Conference and loved it.

JESUS did not say he was the "only" son of God. He taught that we can ALL do the things he did, and more, by tapping into our higher-selves, which are PART OF THE DIVINE.

Don't you dare presume to tell me what I do and do not revere. I revere ALL of life - including Jesus.

The conference I went to was for Thinking People - Skeptics, Agnostics, Atheists, Protestant Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Catholics -- ALL were represented.

And the break-out sessions talked about RELIGION IN GENERAL, particularly related to morality, through the lenses of different "religions" or lack thereof. The conference itself had the overall topic of MORALITY. Morality does NOT come from religion. It is a basic human attribute, as we are "social animals" - we NEED each other to survive.

The threads I make are ANTI-FUNDAMENTALIST, ANTI-EXCLUSIONARY-DOGMA, and ANTI-FEAR-BASED. Hell does NOT EXIST. Teaching kids that they will go to hell is an atrocity - an abomination - it is ABUSE. Psychological and emotional ABUSE. And I will never support it. I respect what Jesus actually TAUGHT, NOT what the religious leaders, so-called "prophets", and usurpers of the teachings for control and manipulation.

People are not born sinners -
God is not a separate PERSON keeping score - God is ALL OF US, the universe, all things in it...

That, dear colbe, is what I revere.

reply to post by truejew

Plus, Speaking to the dead is witchcraft and God speaks against it.

So.....
when my neighbor recently adopted the boat that I had inherited from my Dad - which is a "thing" that my dad and I shared during precious times together....
and I say, "Hey Daddy! I know you're here - look how nicely it's cleaned up! We will go sailing on it SOON!" and I air-high-five with the unseen spirit of my Dad....

That is WITCHCRAFT?

Or when I remember a deceased pet, or friend, and I say outloud "Hi, Sherry", or "Hey Brian," or "Love you, Faith" - or I think "Daddy, what do I do now?" when I'm struggling with a problem....

That is witchcraft???

Ridiculous.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by colbe

 

Hey, the underlined isn't true, have you forgotten the anti-Christian threads you've started? Remember, in one of them, you spoke of attending the Atheist's Conference and loved it.

JESUS did not say he was the "only" son of God. He taught that we can ALL do the things he did, and more, by tapping into our higher-selves, which are PART OF THE DIVINE.

Don't you dare presume to tell me what I do and do not revere. I revere ALL of life - including Jesus.

The conference I went to what for Thinking People - Agnostics, Atheists, Protestant Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Catholics --
And the break-out sessions talked about RELIGION IN GENERAL, particularly related to morality, through the lenses of different "religions". The conference itself had the overall topic of MORALITY. Morality does NOT come from religion. It is a basic human attribute, as we are "social animals" - we NEED each other to survive.

The threads I make are ANTI-FUNDAMENTALIST, ANTI-EXCLUSIONARY-DOGMA, and ANTI-FEAR-BASED. Hell does NOT EXIST. Teaching kids that they will go to hell is an atrocity - an abomination - it is ABUSE. Psychological and emotional ABUSE. And I will never support it. I respect what Jesus actually TAUGHT, NOT what the religious leaders, so-called "prophets", and usurpers of the teachings for control and manipulation.

People are not born sinners -
God is not a separate PERSON keeping score - God is ALL OF US, the universe, all things in it...
That, dear colbe, is what I revere.

To call the created, humanity, divine is not true, this is New Age. The name is a hint, run away, God does not change. When you are FREE of mortal sin (if you are water baptized in the name of the Trinity), God resides in your soul. We are not each Gods, divine.

This is the major reason Jesus established the Sacrament of Confession (John 20:23). Regular Confession and daily prayer for the life of your soul. Before the prophesied Great Warning, non-Catholics who now reject Sacramental Confession must with true contrition, repent and confess their mortal sins to God. Catholics have to do more, they must go to Confession. I cannot wait until we all believe the same, non-Christians too if they decide to convert. It will still be free will, your choice. Non-Christians are going to be overjoyed when they are shown who God truly is...(yaaaaah!) Example, all the women and the few good men TRAPPED in Islam.

We differ, everyone realizes. We can still be friends, I think we are wildtimes. I can tell by your writing style, you are smarter than I am and to me as I said, very dear. I mean it, I love you.

Wait and see, if the Great Warning doesn't take place before too long a time, I'll be the one to eat crow. Heaven keeps shouting this worldwide illumination is "SOON." Yes, their "soon" is not as we think of time. But... Our Lord's mother told the main Garabandal seer Conchita over FIFTY years ago:

The Warning will happen when Communism comes again and the world is at its worst.

I pray it isn't nuclear.




colbe

reply to post by colbe

When you are FREE of mortal sin (if you are water baptized in the name of the Trinity), God resides in your soul. We are not each Gods, divine.

sigh.

If it makes you feel better, colbe, I was baptized as an infant, and confirmed, and married in the Episcopal (High Anglican) church. They and the RCC are essentially the same - minus the RCC things that Henry VIII didn't like and decided to toss.

One of the things Henry VIII DIDN'T LIKE was Rome's control over England, France, Spain....
and he broke away. He wanted a divorce because he felt GUILTY for having (secretly) married his dead brother's widow, who he genuinely loved, from the time they were both kids.

His brother had been betrothed to her (Katherine of Aragon) when they were both babies. It was a POLITICAL alliance, nothing more. The son (Arthur) DID marry her, but then he died.

Henry and Katherine together suffered something like 8 pregnancies - only ONE of which produced a child ("Bloody" Mary) who survived to adulthood. The others were either stillborns, miscarriages, or weak and died in infancy. Henry was tormented about not having a son. He loved Mary, but Katherine became uber-religious in dealing with her grief; Henry could no longer connect with her.

He stayed faithful to her, however, until he discovered that his "marriage" to her was a "sin" - she had never consummated her marriage with Arthur, but Henry, who had studied to be a Priest himself, was VERY FAMILIAR with Roman Catholic dogma. He was afraid - for his soul, his kingdom. He himself had been "just the second son", and no one had thought Arthur would die.

He had heard of Martin Luther's note nailed to the door; but his reasons for rejecting Rome were very personal. He wanted to marry Ann Boleyn (who was a shrew, a manipulator, a gold-digger, and a superficial jackass).

So, he waited for years and years and years for the Pope to annul the marriage with Katherine, but the Pope refused, and Henry, in desperation, broke and declared himself the "Divine Ruler" of his OWN CHURCH - the church of England.

His daughter Mary, however, had been intensely indoctrinated with her mother's VERY Catholic attitude (Katherine was from Spain), and she was the one who had Protestants murdered, driving them underground. (Hence, "Bloody Mary.") She became a widow and never quite recovered from that trauma (having actually loved her "arranged" husband). When she died, Henry VIII's biological son, Henry Fitzroy (son of Henry by Bessie Blount) could not legitimately inherit the throne (although he'd been made a peer by his dad - who openly recognized him as his son), so Elizabeth 1 came to the throne in 1558. She had been a protestant. There were no living "legitimate" sons of Henry.

colbe, I don't think I'm "smarter" than you - I just think you've kept yourself 'sheltered' from any other point of view; and honestly it makes me sad. I don't think you will meet with problems when you go to our Maker - I simply wish you could stop tormenting yourself with fear and proselytizing, trying to "save" others.

We will ALL GET THERE eventually, colbe. No worries. Try to relax, enjoy your life, and stop worrying about everyone else.

I love you, too.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe

 

You accept Jesus is your King, who else would be Queen but Mary? The darn Protestant anti-Marian protest.

Are you so immoral that you are incapable of seeing how nasty that is? And blasphemous. Yeshua is betrothed, and his Bride is his City, and her name is Zion, the spiritual Zion that comes down out of heaven as written in Revelation 21. Mary, doesn't have a high wall and surrounded by 12 gates.

You also have no idea of the relationship between the Ark, Temple and City or you could not speak of such wickedness against the Lord. You are also ignorant of the rites of marriage for Israelites.

You have the paganized trinity of Nimrod, Semiramis and Tammuz.

Again, do more research before coming at me with disgusting things.

"Nasty" is a vulgar word, you should drop it especially when talking about the faith, Our Lord and His mother.

lonewolf, we disagree. Again, you all can read in my last post and I gave example Scripturally to prove Mary IS Queen of Heaven and earth, we have example, the mother in the Old Testament is Queen. Mary is the "woman" prophesied in Genesis 3:15, Our Lord keeps calling her "woman" in the Gospel for a reason, He knows the past and the future. Mary has a place in our redemption. She is part of these end times, you'll see in a major way very soon. Mary is the "woman" in Revelation 12.

How is Mary NOT the Ark of the New Covenan lonewolf? She is... Mary carried God, Our Lord and Savior inside her. John says it in the last verse of Revelation 11.

Jesus is betrothed to His Bride the Church, NOT His beloved mother Mary.

Though she is member of His Church, actually His first disciple. Messianic Judaism and their break aways use a lot of Old Testament terms.

Protestants, AND one of their more recent communities (I'll be nice), Messianic Jews emphasize the "bride of Christ" analogy of Our Lord AND their hope for a Rapture. La, la, that's what we are, we're are already the Bride, spotless and pure. The easy way. Catholics are more in tune with Jesus' request of offering your sufferings, your cross for the salvation of souls. Redemptive Suffering. Do this now and during the Great Tribulation. One day, you will meet the souls you helped by making an offering of your suffering to God. Do this every day in prayer, you can offer the smallest suffering.

The rejection of who Mary is and God's desire for her to help us comes from those in Protestantism who
wanted to distance themselves from the faith. Do not believe the anti-Mary nonsense.


God bless you lonewolf,

reply to post by wildtimes


I am so happy you were baptized wildtimes!!

Anyone reading this whose parents DIDN'T have you baptized with water in the name of the Blessed Trinity, there is a baptism of desire. Desire it. Ask God in prayer to help you to be baptized. He will help you. To receive the Sacrament of Baptism...

There is instruction required to become Catholic first. Pray about, tell Our Lord you wish to become Catholic. My advise, RCIA, the name of this instruction is sometimes taught by lay Catholics in the parishes. Call the Catholic diocese office in your area and ask where the Traditional Latin Mass is offered. Call that Parish, tell, inforn the traditional priest or pastor there you wish to take instruction in the faith from him. This is how it is done, no lay people. It is much better catechesis and does not take as long.

God knows if you desire baptism. The other form of Baptism is Baptism of Blood, martyrdom.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Catholics worship three gods, one of which is Mary. Your god is YHWH. Baal, his wife, and his son.

That is one of the stupidest things I've heard you say, and you know what I think of the rest of your theology.

Now I see why you don't denounce Reckart for his bigotry, hatred of others and hypocrisy -- you're every bit as guilty of them as he is.

I hate no one.

I am simply only teaching against the error of Mary worship.

edit on 25-8-2013 by truejew because: (no reason given)

You're not teaching anything but error friend.

Catholics do not worship Mary. No one worships Mary, she is not God. Toss that Protestant objection out. Very soon, Our Lord is going to show you personally.

It's so easy, love the mother, love the Son. Wouldn't you think Our Lord would wish this TJ?

The anti-Marian nonsense came from the revolters, trying to distance themselves from the faith.

You can't, there is only one Truth and one faith (Eph 4:5).

It cracks me up, not really, I am sad. Non-Catholic Christians and their various ministers acknowledge Catholic saints, mention a few of their names even the earliest saints called the Early Church Fathers, men who actually knew the Apostles while at the same time, REJECT the faith. Good Lord, the disconnect. It is pride.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by truejew

 

Plus, Speaking to the dead is witchcraft and God speaks against it.

So.....
when my neighbor recently adopted the boat that I had inherited from my Dad - which is a "thing" that my dad and I shared during precious times together....
and I say, "Hey Daddy! I know you're here - look how nicely it's cleaned up! We will go sailing on it SOON!" and I air-high-five with the unseen spirit of my Dad....

That is WITCHCRAFT?

Or when I remember a deceased pet, or friend, and I say outloud "Hi, Sherry", or "Hey Brian," or "Love you, Faith" - or I think "Daddy, what do I do now?" when I'm struggling with a problem....

That is witchcraft???

Ridiculous.

There shall not be found in thee one who purges his son or his daughter with fire, one who uses divination, who deals with omens, and augury, 11 a sorcerer employing incantation, one who has in him a divining spirit, and observer of signs, questioning the dead. 12 For every one that does these things is an abomination to the Lord thy God; for because of these abominations the Lord will destroy them from before thy face. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)

Originally posted by truejew
I hate no one.

I am simply only teaching against the error of Mary worship.

You're a troll, nothing more.

And you know what? I'm done with you.

I've tried reasoning with you, I've demonstrated the illogical nature of what you teach, I've chastised you for lying, such as the above lie that Catholics worship Mary, and I've documented the anti-Christian nature of your cult and its lying, thieving, arrogant, elitist and hypocritical leader, Gary Reckart.

None of which has sunk in, so I'm writing you off as lost. I've been praying for you every day since you said you were possibly very ill, I will stop doing that. I've responded to your trolling posts in an effort to guide you back to some semblance of reality, I will stop doing that.

Trolls love attention, you shall have no more of mine, and I would encourage my fellow posters to ignore you, as well.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by colbe

 

I revere ALL of life - including Jesus.

If you revered Christ, you would keep His commandments.

reply to post by adjensen


I am not a troll.

BTW, I was really sick back then and was going to need major surgery. The surgery was already scheduled, but was canceled when I no longer needed it. God was with me. Prayers in Jesus name get answered. Mary was not needed. I have been in good health since.

reply to post by colbe

Again, you all can read in my last post and I gave example Scripturally to prove Mary IS Queen of Heaven and earth, we have example, the mother in the Old Testament is Queen.

No, what you did was use scripture for evil, to perpetuate your Asherah worship and validate it so that you can continue to remain blind in your pagan ways.

Jeremiah 7:17-19 (from the old testament)

17 Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven; and they pour out drink offerings to other gods, that they may provoke Me to anger. 19 Do they provoke Me to anger?” says the Lord. “Do they not provoke themselves, to the shame of their own faces?”

Allegory here sugar, this piece of scripture happened back then and is happening again. Even Paul said the OT was a foreshadowing of things to come. Your church is mirroring the Israelite apostates. That's why you have a god of gold you use in your "holy sacraments" and processions.

2 Kings 23:1-4 (from the old testament)

Josiah Restores True Worship

1 Now the king sent them to gather all the elders of Judah and Jerusalem to him. 2 The king went up to the house of the Lord with all the men of Judah, and with him all the inhabitants of Jerusalem—the priests and the prophets and all the people, both small and great. And he read in their hearing all the words of the Book of the Covenant which had been found in the house of the Lord.

3 Then the king stood by a pillar and made a covenant before the Lord, to follow the Lord and to keep His commandments and His testimonies and His statutes, with all his heart and all his soul, to perform the words of this covenant that were written in this book. And all the people took a stand for the covenant. 4 And the king commanded Hilkiah the high priest, the priests of the second order, and the doorkeepers, to bring out of the temple of the Lord all the articles that were made for Baal, for Asherah, and for all the host of heaven; and he burned them outside Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried their ashes to Bethel

Asherah was the "mother goddess", wife of Ba'alzebub and "queen of heaven". That thing you revere is the wife of the serpent and is not the human woman Maryam ha'Neseret.

Exodus 34:10-13 (from old testament)

10 And He said: “Behold, I make a covenant. Before all your people I will do marvels such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation; and all the people among whom you are shall see the work of the Lord. For it is an awesome thing that I will do with you. 11 Observe what I command you this day. Behold, I am driving out from before you the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite. 12 Take heed to yourself, lest you make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land where you are going, lest it be a snare in your midst. 13 But you shall destroy their altars, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images

Ashiru, Strong's H842 refers to Asherah poles (wooden image/totem/idol) of the mother goddess.

There's a huge old testament list of God forbidding worshipping her and having anything to do with her at all. So how long will you deny what is before your face?

reply to post by colbe

I gave evidence, Scripture verse, 3 Kings 2:19 in the original Bible (Latin Vulgate) and the English translation (Douay-Rheims) of that Bible. Same verse is 1 Kings 2:19 in the KJV Bible. The original writings, so the first Bible shows a THRONE was placed for Solomon's mother. A Queen sits on a throne. Gotcha you. lonewolf, there are other references to the mother being queen in the Old Testament.

Colbe, the god that is referred to in the Bible as the "queen of heaven" was Ashtoreth (otherwise known as Ishtar). The Jews had a habit of worshiping Ishtar before Yahweh demanded that they stop. In fact, if you're familiar with the story of King Soloman, you'd know that God took rule of the kingdom away from him because his wives ended up leading him astray to Ishtar worship while he was king.

You accept Jesus is your King, who else would be Queen but Mary? The darn Protestant anti-Marian protest. In Revelation Chapter 12, the man-child is singular who is Jesus. The Dragon is singular who is Satan. Why is not the "woman" singular? Only Mary brought forth the man-child. Above any other meaning, the "woman" is Mary. A crown of 12 stars is royal. Mary is the Queen of Heaven and earth.

No, Mary is not the "queen of heaven" and earth. Mary was called "woman", because she was just that.

I have every reason to believe that the woman wearing the crown of 12 stars in the Bible represents Israel and it's 12 tribes. The fact that she's in labor means that a new Israel is about to be born, which will happen during the Millennial period.

The faith, there is only one (Eph 4:5) is referred in the feminine. So what, we've been talking about the Queen is the King's mother and she would wear a crown and the ONLY person to bring the man-child forth was Mary most holy. You gotta love Mary, how happy it will make our Lord. Reject the anti-Mary fools.

Colbe, Jesus has existed from the beginning. He was the Word made flesh that existed with God before the foundation of the world even existed. He doesn't need Mary to give birth to him in the spirit world, like he needed her to give birth to him in the physical world. The book of Revelation is filled with symbolism. Most likely, the "feminine", if you insist on one, is represented by the HOLY SPIRIT. The same Spirit that appeared after Jesus' baptism, which symbolizes rebirth. Israel will be reborn with Jesus ruling it himself during the days of the Millennium.

The verses in Zachariah, chapter 5, whoever the two women are, they may be wicked but there are many, many, holy women in the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The only one who is holy is Jesus until the day that we all go to live with him in the New Jerusalem.

If you really want to understand who the "queen of heaven" was referring to in the Bible, read Jeremiah, chapters 7 and 44. Both will tell you exactly who this "god" was and how angry God was for the people who continued to worship her.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by colbe

 

The Jews had a habit of worshiping Ishtar before Yahweh demanded that they stop.

Yahweh/Baal did not demand that they stop. Jesus Christ did.

reply to post by truejew


The book of Jeremiah is in the Old Testament. Read Jeremiah, chapters 7 and 44.

P.S. I won't be debating you again on why Yahweh IS NOT Ba'al. Anyone who's done their research knows better regardless of how many times you try to argue it.

LORD (in all caps) means Yahweh in the Bible and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Ba'al.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

The book of Jeremiah is in the Old Testament. Read Jeremiah, chapters 7 and 44.

P.S. I won't be debating you again on why Yahweh IS NOT Ba'al. Anyone who's done their research knows better regardless of how many times you try to argue it.

LORD (in all caps) means Yahweh in the Bible and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Ba'al.

edit on 26-8-2013 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

The writers of the New Testament did not use LORD or YHWH. Only the Jews involved in Baal worship did.

reply to post by truejew


No, because it's clear in the New Testament that Jesus was the LORD/YWHW, so there was no longer a need to use those terms/names any longer.