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Demons can imitate the dead in order to get you to open up to them. It can lead to possession.

Originally posted by Solmani

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

Speak to Mary, anyone can speak to her in prayer.

I don't speak to my dead relatives or friends in prayer so why would I do that to Mary?

Because Mary was never human in the first place.
Have you never heard of the Shekinah? The Queen of Heaven?

I'm not going to even dignify that.

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Demons can imitate the dead in order to get you to open up to them. It can lead to possession.

Do you think that every professed communication from the dead is demons? What about King Saul, the Witch of Endor and Samuel, was that demon or Samuel?

When the disciples saw Jesus after his crucifixion, they thought he was a ghost. Apparently, Jewish folklore allowed for ghosts. Do you think that all ghosts are demons? If so, why would the disciples think that Jesus was ghost?

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Demons can imitate the dead in order to get you to open up to them. It can lead to possession.

Hmmmm.......
let me think about it.....

erm, NO!

Nope. Not buying into that.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
I teach that Jesus humbled Himself into the role of a man while still being fully God.

When you claim that when Jesus spoke, he was just a man speaking, not man and God speaking, that is Arianistic thinking.

Jesus was God in human flesh in the role of a man. This is Modalism, not Arianism.

No, he was in the role of the God-Man. As second Adam he was the life giving spirit. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15 that the second Man was the Lord from heaven himself. Fully God and fully Man. As second Adam he is the God of the whole earth (Isaiah 54:5). He demonstrated his dominion over the earth by walking on water, and calming the stormy winds by his command and by using mud to repair the broken eyes of a man born blind at birth. Matter manipulation on the molecular scale by his will. Thus we have Lord of heaven and earth.

Isaiah tells us before he came there was no man in heaven to intercede, he had to become his own High Priest which is Melki-Tsedek, who had no father and no mother and no end of days. He has always had to do the work himself, no one else could do it and no one else can.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

Speak to Mary, anyone can speak to her in prayer.

I don't speak to my dead relatives or friends in prayer so why would I do that to Mary?

Hi,

Mary is very special, she is a powerful intercessor to God for everyone that is why NTT. How come you can
see yourself as an intercessor to God when you pray for loved ones here but think those who are in Heaven
have stopped praying, interceding to God like you are still doing here? We are all one big family.

You can ask the people in Heaven to help you spiritually.

I refer to your Sola Scriptura, what about the references in the Bible to the saints praying for us in Heaven? John's Revelation says so...

www.scripturecatholic.com...

Rev. 5:8 - the prayers of the saints (on heaven and earth) are presented to God by the angels and saints in heaven. This shows that the saints intercede on our behalf before God, and it also demonstrates that our prayers on earth are united with their prayers in heaven. (The “24 elders” are said to refer to the people of God – perhaps the 12 tribes and 12 apostles - and the “four living creatures” are said to refer to the angels.)

Rev. 6:9-11 – the martyred saints in heaven cry out in a loud voice to God to avenge their blood “on those who dwell upon the earth.” These are “imprecatory prayers,” which are pleas for God’s judgment (see similar prayers in Psalm 35:1; 59:1-17; 139:19; Jer. 11:20; 15:15; 18:19; Zech.1:12-13). This means that the saints in heaven are praying for those on earth, and God answers their prayers (Rev. 8:1-5). We, therefore, ask for their intercession and protection.

Rev. 8:3-4 – in heaven an angel mingles incense with the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar before the throne of God, and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God. These prayers “rise up” before God and elicit various kinds of earthly activity. God responds to his children’s requests, whether made by his children on earth or in heaven.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by Solmani

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

Speak to Mary, anyone can speak to her in prayer.

I don't speak to my dead relatives or friends in prayer so why would I do that to Mary?

Because Mary was never human in the first place.
Have you never heard of the Shekinah? The Queen of Heaven?

Although it is true that Mary and Shekinah worship are the same, the Shekinah comes from Jewish witchcraft. It is not Christian.

There is no such thing as Mary worship. Catholics only worship God TJ. You gotta mark that protest/objection
of your list. It isn't true. Honor they father and mother, it is a Commandment. You don't think Our Lord's mother
is worthy of love and honor? Our Lord does, we are following His way, His teachings.

You may understand much better after/at the "awakening." Mary has appeared to Protestants by exception but she will definitely when there are no more heresies. The "awakening" could be as soon as next year?

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Demons can imitate the dead in order to get you to open up to them. It can lead to possession.

Do you think that every professed communication from the dead is demons? What about King Saul, the Witch of Endor and Samuel, was that demon or Samuel?

When the disciples saw Jesus after his crucifixion, they thought he was a ghost. Apparently, Jewish folklore allowed for ghosts. Do you think that all ghosts are demons? If so, why would the disciples think that Jesus was ghost?

Jesus wasn't a ghost. He had a resurrected glorified body, which a human won't get until the resurrection.

King Saul was involved in Jewish witchcraft. His communication with the dead led to his own death due to it being unfaithful to God.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
I teach that Jesus humbled Himself into the role of a man while still being fully God.

When you claim that when Jesus spoke, he was just a man speaking, not man and God speaking, that is Arianistic thinking.

Jesus was God in human flesh in the role of a man. This is Modalism, not Arianism.

No, he was in the role of the God-Man. As second Adam he was the life giving spirit. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15 that the second Man was the Lord from heaven himself. Fully God and fully Man. As second Adam he is the God of the whole earth (Isaiah 54:5). He demonstrated his dominion over the earth by walking on water, and calming the stormy winds by his command and by using mud to repair the broken eyes of a man born blind at birth. Matter manipulation on the molecular scale by his will. Thus we have Lord of heaven and earth.

Isaiah tells us before he came there was no man in heaven to intercede, he had to become his own High Priest which is Melki-Tsedek, who had no father and no mother and no end of days. He has always had to do the work himself, no one else could do it and no one else can.

You are saying the same as I did.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

I don't speak to my dead relatives or friends in prayer

Why ever not? You don't believe they're still listening and beside you?

What a sad place to be.
I talk to my dead relatives and friends all the time. It gives me hope....and you know what? I get responses.
A feeling of a warm hug, a touch on the shoulder, a reminder that this moment, too, shall pass, and in the end, all will be well.

Funny, but, Jesus never comes to do that...only my loved ones.
EDIT:
Oh, and my ever-present angels, here, at my service. Right now they are at work helping one of my kids, with full participation from his dad and me.

edit on 23-8-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

Love your testimony wildtimes. I just want to ask, how do you know Our Lord isn't a part of their intercession?
Only a few people have seen Him in person. We have to have faith that He is watching over us. There is this
cool Protestant message, where Our Lord speaks about this, I'll look for it and I promise I shall post it.


blessings,

colbe

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by Solmani

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

Speak to Mary, anyone can speak to her in prayer.

I don't speak to my dead relatives or friends in prayer so why would I do that to Mary?

Because Mary was never human in the first place.
Have you never heard of the Shekinah? The Queen of Heaven?

Although it is true that Mary and Shekinah worship are the same, the Shekinah comes from Jewish witchcraft. It is not Christian.

There is no such thing as Mary worship. Catholics only worship God TJ. You gotta mark that protest/objection
of your list. It isn't true. Honor they father and mother, it is a Commandment. You don't think Our Lord's mother
is worthy of love and honor? Our Lord does, we are following His way, His teachings.

You may understand much better after/at the "awakening." Mary has appeared to Protestants by exception but she will definitely when there are no more heresies. The "awakening" could be as soon as next year?

Catholics worship three gods, one of which is Mary. Your god is YHWH. Baal, his wife, and his son.

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lonewolf,

Thanks for your reply. Who else would be queen of Heaven but Mary? Our Lord keeps calling His mother
"woman" in the Gospel. No man in the Old or New Testament ever called his mother "woman." Our Lord
has a reason. Mary is the "woman" in Genesis 3:15 and the "woman" in Revelation 12:1. Read further in
the same chapter, Mary is the "woman" who brought forth the man-child. About her being Queen...

Some verses in Scripture can represent more than one thing. Revelation 12:1 is one of them. Above all,
the "woman" in Revelation 12:1 is Mary most holy, Our Lord's mother. The "woman"in Revelation 12:1 sounds pretty royal.

In the Old Testament, the MOTHER of the King is Queen. I give you example. In 3 Kings 2:19, King Solomon
greets his mother, she has a request. Solomon asks her to sit beside him on a throne. A throne is what Queen
sits on...

The same verse is found in 1 Kings in the KJV. 1 Kings 2:19 in the KJV translation has been altered from the
original. Those darn translators of adulterous King James changed the word throne to "SEAT."


God bless you,


colbe

www.drbo.org... (Douay-Rheims Bible)

3 Kings (1 Kings) 2:19
Then Bethsabee came to king Solomon, to speak to him for Adonias: and the king arose to meet her, and bowed to her, and sat down upon his throne: and a THRONE was set for the king' s mother, and she sat on his right hand.

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Demons can imitate the dead in order to get you to open up to them. It can lead to possession.

Do you think that every professed communication from the dead is demons? What about King Saul, the Witch of Endor and Samuel, was that demon or Samuel?

When the disciples saw Jesus after his crucifixion, they thought he was a ghost. Apparently, Jewish folklore allowed for ghosts. Do you think that all ghosts are demons? If so, why would the disciples think that Jesus was ghost?

I am not trying to argue, I love both windword and wildtimes. I just wanted to share, look at the fruit of an
apparition or ghost. That's how you can tell they're sent or come from Heaven and sometimes from Purgatory.

Adjenson mentioned Mary is often one obstacle or last things to understand for those converting to Catholicism.

To me, the misunderstood part of the title in the 5th and final Marian Dogma that will be proclaimed about Mary by the Church is the term Co-Redemptrix. Co- means with. Mary is not divine, Mary did not suffer like Our Lord but she did suffer. A very lonely suffering as Jesus first disciple. The only disciple back then who fully understood God's plan.

This private revelation given a very holy sister has been approved by the Church. An excerpt, I didn't include it, Mary speaks about her assumption into Heaven. Read about her suffering. And her last words, the "exile" she speaks of are the years, twenty some years after Our Lord's Ascension into Heaven, Mary was here on earth.

My reason for sharing, the 5th Dogma will be proclaimed. Do not be one who says "no." All the Marian Dogmas come from God, explained by the Church. They desire everyone believe.

We don't know the year but do know the month and day. The 5th Marian Dogma could be proclaimed this
coming May 31st.

+ + +


FROM WAY OF DIVINE LOVE ON THE ASSUMPTION AS RELATED BY OUR LADY TO SR. JOSEFA MENENDEZ ~ THE YEAR IS AUGUST 15, 1923 ~

The feast of the Assumption of Our Blessed lady, 15th August 1923, brought another short interval of radiant happiness to Josefa, for towards evening on that glorious day Our Lady appeared in all Her beauty. With Motherly love, She listened to Josefa's troubles, to her fears for the future on account of her frailty and weakness.

"Daughter," She replied, "do not be discouraged by your weakness, acknowledge it in all humility, but always with confidence, because you know well that Jesus made choice of you for the very reason of your misery and worthlessness . . . so be humble, but also very trustful."

And alluding to the devil's increasing persecutions: "Do not be afraid, for he can only do one thing, that is, give you opportunities of increasing your merit. Do you not know that I am watching over you and that Jesus will never abandon you?" [ how we can apply this to ourselves! ]

So Josefa threw off the burden of her personal preoccupations to rejoice in the bliss of her heavenly Mother, of whom the whole world was celebrating the Assumption into heaven.

[ Here we go... you have probably never read the likes! ]

A thrill of joy transfused the face of Our Lady, as She recalled the beatitude of the eternal present She now possessed.

"Today," She said, "in very truth, there began for Me a beatitude which was perfect and unalloyed, FOR DURING THE WHOLE OF MY LIFE IN THIS WORLD My soul was transpierced by a sword of grief.'

" 'I asked Her,' "wrote Josefa naively, " ' if the presence of the Child Jesus, so small and so lovely, had not been the best of consolations?'

" 'Listen child,' " Our Lady went on. "From childhood I knew of divine things and the hopes centered in the coming of the Messiah. So when the Angel declared the mystery of the incarnation to Me, and I found Myself chosen as the Mother of the Redeemer of mankind, though My Heart adhered to the divine will with entire submission, it was drowned in a sea of bitterness and woe. For I knew all that this tender and heavenly Child was destined to endure, and Simeon's prophecy only confirmed the anguish of My mother's Heart.

" 'Can you, then, imagine how I felt while contemplating My Son's charms, His heavenly countenance, His hands and feet which I knew were to be so cruelly ill-treated?

" 'I kissed those little hands, and felt My lips already stained with the Precious Blood that one day would gush from their wounds.

" 'I kissed His feet, and already saw them nailed to the Cross.

" 'And as I carefully tended His hair, I pictured it all clotted with Blood and entangled in the cruel thorns.

" 'And when at Nazareth, He first ventured on a few steps, hastening with outstretched arms to meet Me, My tears fell as I pictured them extended on the Cross on which He was to die.

" 'When He reached boyhood, He was so divinely beautiful that none could contemplate Him unmoved . . .yet in My Heart, the Heart of a Mother, the sword was turned at the thought of the tortures that were to be inflicted on Him, of which I felt before-hand the savage recoil.

" 'Then He left Me for three years during His apostolic life, and there followed the terrible hours of His Passion and Death. What a martyrdom!

" 'When after three days I saw Him in the glory of His risen life the trial changed, for I knew that He could suffer no more . . .but O! how sad it was to part from Him! My sole relief then lay in consoling Him, by repairing for the sins of men. And My long exile began . . . How I sighed for the hour of everlasting union . . . What was life without Him? . . . How dim was My light! . . . How ardent My desires! . . . How long, long, He was in coming! ....

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reply to post by colbe

I just want to ask, how do you know Our Lord isn't a part of their intercession?

colbe,
I want you to understand my thinking, I really do.
I believe we are ALL sons and daughters of the Divine - I believe that is what Jesus taught - I have reverence for him, I simply don't believe he is any more the son of God than ALL OF US ARE. THAT is the message I get from him. It has ALWAYS been the message I get, and will not change, no matter how much you want me to try to change it.

I believe the Divine is part of the interdimensional support we receive from loved ones who have moved on to the next plane. We all have something to offer the world;

and everyone else in it has something to offer us.

Why can you not understand that "Love" is the Main Thing - telling people that they are "doing it wrong", when they are loving their family, friends, strangers, humanity - just because they don't genuflect and cross themselves in front of a Catholic Altar is what I object to.

I am doing my level best - and I believe everyone alive is doing their best at any given moment with what they have been given as a life. Can you not see this? Even you, colbe, are doing your level best. Your efforts are well-intentioned, I know that....but the "shame" and "fear" that you PROJECT onto others who don't share your specific belief system is not productive.

Can't you just accept us all the way we are? Why do you feel you need to keep telling us "Change! Before it's too late! God wants you to blahyaddayadda.....!" You don't have a monopoly on the cure for humanity; can you not see that you are actually INJURING others when you 'chastise' them for not doing what YOU tell us to do??

If you really "love" us, then please, stop with the pressure. Please, I beg you, stop with the pressure. Walk your path, talk to us while we are in earshot - tell us how you're doing ------ PLEASE stop telling us 'you're not on the right path.' We were GIVEN this path to walk - and we are NOT ON YOURS, no matter how much you think yours is the "superior" or "correct" one.

Please, pray for the ability to understand that.

Originally posted by truejew
Catholics worship three gods, one of which is Mary. Your god is YHWH. Baal, his wife, and his son.

That is one of the stupidest things I've heard you say, and you know what I think of the rest of your theology.

Now I see why you don't denounce Reckart for his bigotry, hatred of others and hypocrisy -- you're every bit as guilty of them as he is.

reply to post by colbe

Who else would be queen of Heaven but Mary?

That is so pagan it's beyond ridiculous.

No man in the Old or New Testament ever called his mother "woman." Our Lord
has a reason. Mary is the "woman" in Genesis 3:15 and the "woman" in Revelation 12:1. Read further in
the same chapter, Mary is the "woman" who brought forth the man-child. About her being Queen...

Some verses in Scripture can represent more than one thing. Revelation 12:1 is one of them. Above all,
the "woman" in Revelation 12:1 is Mary most holy, Our Lord's mother. The "woman"in Revelation 12:1 sounds pretty royal.

I know Genesis 3:15 is referring to Mary, however Revelation 12 is talking about the religion of Abraham Not Mary. The woman has wings of an eagle because eagles were clean beasts according to Kosher laws so it's referring to a religion or faith that is pure ad godly."Women" in prophetic language usually is talking about religions or cults. As in the case of Zechriah 5, the woman in the basket is between heaven and earth lifted up and exalted above men.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by truejew
reply to post by wildtimes

 

Demons can imitate the dead in order to get you to open up to them. It can lead to possession.

Do you think that every professed communication from the dead is demons? What about King Saul, the Witch of Endor and Samuel, was that demon or Samuel?

When the disciples saw Jesus after his crucifixion, they thought he was a ghost. Apparently, Jewish folklore allowed for ghosts. Do you think that all ghosts are demons? If so, why would the disciples think that Jesus was ghost?

Jesus wasn't a ghost. He had a resurrected glorified body, which a human won't get until the resurrection.

King Saul was involved in Jewish witchcraft. His communication with the dead led to his own death due to it being unfaithful to God

That doesn't answer my question. In your opinion, are all those who profess to have had contact with the dead, in fact, dealing with demons instead?

I never said that Jesus, after his crucifixion, appeared as a ghost, I said the disciples THOUGHT he was a ghost. As for his "glorified body"? It was hungry and had holes in it!

Did King Saul communicate with Samuel's ghost or not?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe

 

Who else would be queen of Heaven but Mary?

That is so pagan it's beyond ridiculous.

No man in the Old or New Testament ever called his mother "woman." Our Lord
has a reason. Mary is the "woman" in Genesis 3:15 and the "woman" in Revelation 12:1. Read further in
the same chapter, Mary is the "woman" who brought forth the man-child. About her being Queen...

Some verses in Scripture can represent more than one thing. Revelation 12:1 is one of them. Above all,
the "woman" in Revelation 12:1 is Mary most holy, Our Lord's mother. The "woman"in Revelation 12:1 sounds pretty royal.

I know Genesis 3:15 is referring to Mary, however Revelation 12 is talking about the religion of Abraham Not Mary. The woman has wings of an eagle because eagles were clean beasts according to Kosher laws so it's referring to a religion or faith that is pure ad godly."Women" in prophetic language usually is talking about religions or cults. As in the case of Zechriah 5, the woman in the basket is between heaven and earth lifted up and exalted above men.

edit on 24-8-2013 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)

Why do you ignore the Old Testament shows the mother of the King is QUEEN.

I gave evidence, Scripture verse, 3 Kings 2:19 in the original Bible (Latin Vulgate) and the English translation (Douay-Rheims) of that Bible. Same verse is 1 Kings 2:19 in the KJV Bible. The original writings, so the first Bible shows a THRONE was placed for Solomon's mother. A Queen sits on a throne. Gotcha you. lonewolf, there are other references to the mother being queen in the Old Testament. You accept Jesus is your King, who else would be Queen but Mary? The darn Protestant anti-Marian protest. In Revelation Chapter 12, the man-child is singular who is Jesus. The Dragon is singular who is Satan. Why is not the "woman" singular? Only Mary brought forth the man-child. Above any other meaning, the "woman" is Mary. A crown of 12 stars is royal. Mary is the Queen of Heaven and earth. The Trinity desires it and why Our Lord repeatedly addressed His mother as "woman." John introduces the "woman" in Chapter 12 in the last verses of Chapter 11. The Ark of the New Covenant IS in Heaven and she is Mary. Mary carried God inside her. Amazing...how God loves
humanity.

The faith, there is only one (Eph 4:5) is referred in the feminine. So what, we've been talking about the Queen is the King's mother and she would wear a crown and the ONLY person to bring the man-child forth was Mary most holy. You gotta love Mary, how happy it will make our Lord. Reject the anti-Mary fools.

The verses in Zachariah, chapter 5, whoever the two women are, they may be wicked but there are many, many, holy women in the Old Testament and the New Testament.


love,

colbe

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by colbe

 

I just want to ask, how do you know Our Lord isn't a part of their intercession?

colbe,
I want you to understand my thinking, I really do.
I believe we are ALL sons and daughters of the Divine - I believe that is what Jesus taught - I have reverence for him, I simply don't believe he is any more the son of God than ALL OF US ARE. THAT is the message I get from him. It has ALWAYS been the message I get, and will not change, no matter how much you want me to try to change it.

I believe the Divine is part of the interdimensional support we receive from loved ones who have moved on to the next plane. We all have something to offer the world;

and everyone else in it has something to offer us.

Why can you not understand that "Love" is the Main Thing - telling people that they are "doing it wrong", when they are loving their family, friends, strangers, humanity - just because they don't genuflect and cross themselves in front of a Catholic Altar is what I object to.

I am doing my level best - and I believe everyone alive is doing their best at any given moment with what they have been given as a life. Can you not see this? Even you, colbe, are doing your level best. Your efforts are well-intentioned, I know that....but the "shame" and "fear" that you PROJECT onto others who don't share your specific belief system is not productive.

Can't you just accept us all the way we are? Why do you feel you need to keep telling us "Change! Before it's too late! God wants you to blahyaddayadda.....!" You don't have a monopoly on the cure for humanity; can you not see that you are actually INJURING others when you 'chastise' them for not doing what YOU tell us to do??

If you really "love" us, then please, stop with the pressure. Please, I beg you, stop with the pressure. Walk your path, talk to us while we are in earshot - tell us how you're doing ------ PLEASE stop telling us 'you're not on the right path.' We were GIVEN this path to walk - and we are NOT ON YOURS, no matter how much you think yours is the "superior" or "correct" one.

Please, pray for the ability to understand that.

edit on 24-8-2013 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

Hey, the underlined isn't true, have you forgotten the anti-Christian threads you've started? Remember, in one of them, you spoke of attending the Atheist's Conference and loved it.

I am not hurt by your personal negative comments to me. Not very loving. Who is "us", seriously wildtimes? Atheists, agnostics, anti-Catholics? I am replying to a thread in the RELIGION forum, so did you.

I am of no importance. "Beg" Our Lord to help you believe wt. Really, you don't have to beg, I was using your word. Ask Him in prayer, He will help you believe He is God, Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, He loves you. These are the end times, the world is close to the Great Tribulation. Who would want to remain quiet? It isn't a matter of me thinking the faith is superior, it is, it is the Truth. Jesus said I am the way, the Truth and the life. Believe Him. History shows Jesus established one faith, Roman Catholicism. The Blessed Trinity wants you to become Catholic. You can sister. God is going to show you soon in a grand way. Say "yes."

I still love you,


colbe