Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by Solmani
reply to post by Akragon

 

Promise to get back to you later today.

i'll probably be sleeping... workin midnights...

pass me a PM I guess... but I don't see why you wouldn't just spit it out...

Are you busy?

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by adjensen

 

Either Jesus was fully man and fully God, and thus, when speaking, he spoke as both, or there were times when he was not divine, and thus able to speak as "just a man". You can't have both instances

What of his times of weakness?

Can he be "fully God" when asking for mercy?

Of course, why not?

Who would he be asking if not himself?

If you are referring to the scene at Gethsemane, it is the second person of the trinity submitting to the will of the trinity, to the Father's plan of salvation. Does Jesus want to suffer? Of course not, who would? Does he willingly suffer? Yes, because that is the will of the trinity.

That's probably a theological passage, not an historical one, of course -- the Apostles who were present were asleep and couldn't be eyewitnesses to what Jesus was doing or praying.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by adjensen

 

Either Jesus was fully man and fully God, and thus, when speaking, he spoke as both, or there were times when he was not divine, and thus able to speak as "just a man". You can't have both instances

What of his times of weakness?

Can he be "fully God" when asking for mercy?

Of course, why not?

Who would he be asking if not himself?

If you are referring to the scene at Gethsemane, it is the second person of the trinity submitting to the will of the trinity, to the Father's plan of salvation. Does Jesus want to suffer? Of course not, who would? Does he willingly suffer? Yes, because that is the will of the trinity.

That's probably a theological passage, not an historical one, of course -- the Apostles who were present were asleep and couldn't be eyewitnesses to what Jesus was doing or praying.

If that was the case, it would go against the co-equality of the trinity.

Originally posted by truejew
If that was the case, it would go against the co-equality of the trinity.

No, it doesn't, it is Jesus acceding to the will of the trinity, affirming the equality of the trinity. Jesus doesn't want to suffer, but does so because that is God's will.

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Does that mean god is a democracy?

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
If that was the case, it would go against the co-equality of the trinity.

No, it doesn't, it is Jesus acceding to the will of the trinity, affirming the equality of the trinity. Jesus doesn't want to suffer, but does so because that is God's will.

By saying that God was not speaking as a man you are contradicting the co-equality of the trinity and falling into the error of Arius.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by adjensen

 

Does that mean god is a democracy?

No, God has one will.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
If that was the case, it would go against the co-equality of the trinity.

No, it doesn't, it is Jesus acceding to the will of the trinity, affirming the equality of the trinity. Jesus doesn't want to suffer, but does so because that is God's will.

By saying that God was not speaking as a man you are contradicting the co-equality of the trinity and falling into the error of Arius.

You exhibit absolutely zero understanding of the Doctrine of the Trinity, so I'm not sure that you're the right person to be teaching on the subject.

I never said "God was not speaking as a man", I said that he was speaking as man and as God -- when you separate them, as you do, you are espousing an Arian view.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
If that was the case, it would go against the co-equality of the trinity.

No, it doesn't, it is Jesus acceding to the will of the trinity, affirming the equality of the trinity. Jesus doesn't want to suffer, but does so because that is God's will.

By saying that God was not speaking as a man you are contradicting the co-equality of the trinity and falling into the error of Arius.

You exhibit absolutely zero understanding of the Doctrine of the Trinity, so I'm not sure that you're the right person to be teaching on the subject.

I never said "God was not speaking as a man", I said that he was speaking as man and as God -- when you separate them, as you do, you are espousing an Arian view.

Your the one teaching Arian doctrine.

Originally posted by truejew
Your the one teaching Arian doctrine.

Okay, we can add Arianism to the list of things that you do not understand.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Your the one teaching Arian doctrine.

Okay, we can add Arianism to the list of things that you do not understand.

Lol, obviously. Perhaps he thinks it has something to do with birds or Nazis?

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Your the one teaching Arian doctrine.

Okay, we can add Arianism to the list of things that you do not understand.

I don't think you understand Arianism. I teach that Jesus humbled Himself into the role of a man while still being fully God.

Originally posted by truejew
I teach that Jesus humbled Himself into the role of a man while still being fully God.

When you claim that when Jesus spoke, he was just a man speaking, not man and God speaking, that is Arianistic thinking.

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Your the one teaching Arian doctrine.

Okay, we can add Arianism to the list of things that you do not understand.

I don't think you understand Arianism. I teach that Jesus humbled Himself into the role of a man while still being fully God.

That contradicts what you previously said which was that when He was praying to the Father it was "as a man". Like He could just turn on and off being "fully God" like a light switch.

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
I teach that Jesus humbled Himself into the role of a man while still being fully God.

When you claim that when Jesus spoke, he was just a man speaking, not man and God speaking, that is Arianistic thinking.

I guess I'm a day late and dollar short. Ha

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

Speak to Mary, anyone can speak to her in prayer.

I don't speak to my dead relatives or friends in prayer so why would I do that to Mary?

That's part of ancestral worship. A lot of native american tribes still do that. Imo Mary is still dead because the resurrection hasn't happened yet.

Originally posted by Solmani

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe

 

Speak to Mary, anyone can speak to her in prayer.

I don't speak to my dead relatives or friends in prayer so why would I do that to Mary?

Because Mary was never human in the first place.
Have you never heard of the Shekinah? The Queen of Heaven?

The queen of heaven is Ashtoreth (Asherah) and the Lord forbid worshipping her. We're not even supposed to say her name aloud. I've already posted on this a few pages back. The Glory of God is Christ. This whole gobbledegook about Mary being sinless is a bunch of bunk and is disproven by her own words. She had a human mother and a human father and she sings to her Savior in the Song of Mary.

Luke 1:46-55

46 And Mary said:

“My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
48 For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant;
For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.
49 For He who is mighty has done great things for me,
And holy is His name.
50 And His mercy is on those who fear Him
From generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with His arm;
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
And exalted the lowly.
53 He has filled the hungry with good things,
And the rich He has sent away empty.
54 He has helped His servant Israel,
In remembrance of His mercy,
55 As He spoke to our fathers,
To Abraham and to his seed forever.”

People seriously need to learn to read their bibles .

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
I teach that Jesus humbled Himself into the role of a man while still being fully God.

When you claim that when Jesus spoke, he was just a man speaking, not man and God speaking, that is Arianistic thinking.

Jesus was God in human flesh in the role of a man. This is Modalism, not Arianism.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by truejew
Your the one teaching Arian doctrine.

Okay, we can add Arianism to the list of things that you do not understand.

I don't think you understand Arianism. I teach that Jesus humbled Himself into the role of a man while still being fully God.

That contradicts what you previously said which was that when He was praying to the Father it was "as a man". Like He could just turn on and off being "fully God" like a light switch.

My teaching has not contradicted itself. I have never taught that He could turn off being God, only that He was in the role of a man.

His prayers was God in the role of a man praying to the Father. He prayed as a man.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

I don't speak to my dead relatives or friends in prayer

Why ever not? You don't believe they're still listening and beside you?

What a sad place to be.
I talk to my dead relatives and friends all the time. It gives me hope....and you know what? I get responses.
A feeling of a warm hug, a touch on the shoulder, a reminder that this moment, too, shall pass, and in the end, all will be well.

Funny, but, Jesus never comes to do that...only my loved ones.
EDIT:
Oh, and my ever-present angels, here, at my service. Right now they are at work helping one of my kids, with full participation from his dad and me.