Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

The truth remains that when Luke quoted Esaias/Isaiah 61:1 in Luke 4:18, his quote left out YHWH/GOD/LORD.

The truth remains that if Luke 4:18 is quoting Isaiah 61:1, as shown below...

Isaiah 61:1

61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

Luke 4:17-18

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

...then it's referring to the same "Spirit", within the LORD (YWHW) that anointed Isaiah, as it clearly states in Isaiah 61:1.

It wasn't YHWH/LORD/Baal who did the anointing, it was Kurios/Lord.

Esaias 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me; he has sent me to preach glad tidings to the poor, to heal the broken in heart, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind;

Again, Luke quoted from the Septuagint without YHWH.

reply to post by truejew


ONCE AGAIN, the Spirit of the Lord is the same Spirit.

Originally posted by Deetermined
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ONCE AGAIN, the Spirit of the Lord is the same Spirit.

The Spirit of the Lord/Kurios is not the spirit of YHWH/LORD/Baal.

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You can argue that all day long, but if you do a keyword search in the Bible for "Spirit of the Lord", it will prove that you are wrong.

Just like the Bible will prove that YHWH is not Ba'al.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

You can argue that all day long, but if you do a keyword search in the Bible for "Spirit of the Lord", it will prove that you are wrong.

Just like the Bible will prove that YWHW is not Ba'al.

edit on 26-8-2013 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

Can you show me where it says that God is YHWH?

reply to post by truejew


I already did when I posted Exodus 3:14-15.

LORD = YHWH

LORD God = YHWH

I AM = YHWH

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob = YHWH

Spirit of God = Holy Spirit

Holy Spirit = God/YHWH/Jesus

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Deuteronomy 6:4

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:

Mark 12:29

And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

I already did when I posted Exodus 3:14-15.

You did not. The Septuagint, which Jesus used, does not say YHWH/LORD in Exodus 3:14-15. It says Kurios/Lord.

reply to post by truejew


Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Kurios (also at times spelled kyrios or kuros, Greek κύριος) is a Greek word that may apply to God, lord, master, or guardian. In ancient Greece, a woman could not enter into a contract herself and arrangements were made by her guardian or Kurios. For an unmarried woman the Kurios would be her father, and if dead, brothers an uncle or relative would be the Kurios.

In some cases, when reading the Hebrew Bible the Jews would substitute Adonai (my Lord) for the Tetragrammaton (the written representation of the Name of God), and they may have also substituted Kurios when reading to a Greek audience (as in the Septuagint translation). Origen refers to both practices in his commentary on Psalms 2. The practice was due to the desire not to overuse the name of God. Examples of this can be seen in Philo.[2] In The Jewish War (7.10.1) Josephus remarked that Greek speaking Jews refused to call the emperor Kurios for they reserved that word for God.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by Deetermined
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The book of Jeremiah is in the Old Testament. Read Jeremiah, chapters 7 and 44.

P.S. I won't be debating you again on why Yahweh IS NOT Ba'al. Anyone who's done their research knows better regardless of how many times you try to argue it.

LORD (in all caps) means Yahweh in the Bible and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Ba'al.

edit on 26-8-2013 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)

The writers of the New Testament did not use LORD or YHWH. Only the Jews involved in Baal worship did.

They, being Grecians, used IEUE which is the same as YHWH, as the English alphabet evolved from the Greek and the Greek from Aramaic. I have showed you this many times.

Strong's #H3068 = IEUE = Yahweh or Yehweh.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Yes, I do. As I have shown, Luke quoted the Septuagint without YHWH.

reply to post by truejew


Sorry, you're statements aren't good enough.

Kurios = God

If you want to play games, show me where it says that...

Kurios = Jesus

You can't. You always want to argue by making a statement and then NEVER EVER giving anyone links to back up your statements.

Your lonely statements are meaningless.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by truejew

 

They, being Grecians, used IEUE which is the same as YHWH, as the English alphabet evolved from the Greek and the Greek from Aramaic. I have showed you this many times.

If that was the case, Luke would have used IEUE in Luke 4:18. Neither YHWH, nor IEUE are there.

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Show me where the Septuagint says that "kurios" means "Jesus".

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

Sorry, you're statements aren't good enough.

Kurios = God

If you want to play games, show me where it says that...

Kurios = Jesus

You can't. You always want to argue by making a statement and then NEVER EVER giving anyone links to back up your statements.

Your lonely statements are meaningless.

I have presented scripture as evidence. In the Septuagint that Jesus used and in the New Testament, there is no YHWH. Jesus and the apostles never taught YHWH.

Plus, the evidence of the use of YHWH in witchcraft and use on pagan artifacts and amulets.

reply to post by truejew


It's obvious that you need to do some more research because I've already quoted scripture too that shows that Luke was indeed quoting from Isaiah.

What Does the Greek Word Kurios (Lord) Mean?

Summary

The Greek word kurios has a number of different meanings. It can mean sir, master, owner, or even refer to an idol. However on a number of occasions it is the Greek equivalent to the Hebrew word Yahweh or Jehovah. This is the divine name for God. Jesus Christ is designated as the Lord in many New Testament references. This is the consistent truth of Scripture – Jesus is Yahweh or Jehovah.

www.blueletterbible.org...

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

Show me where the Septuagint says that "kurios" means "Jesus".

God's full name, Jesus, was not revealed until Christ came. The Septuagint was written before that time.

If you look in the New Testament, Jesus is called Kurios/Lord.

reply to post by truejew

Jesus and the apostles never taught YHWH.

Scroll down to the section labeled "Septuagint" ...

in the New Testament, Κυριος takes the place of the name of God. However, older fragments contain the name YHWH.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

It's obvious that you need to do some more research because I've already quoted scripture too that shows that Luke was indeed quoting from Isaiah.

The question is not whether or not Luke quoted Esaias, but if he said YHWH/LORD.

The Blue Letter Bible is wrong on kurios. Kurios predates the use of both Jehovah (1270 AD) and Yahweh (1700's AD).

reply to post by truejew

God's full name, Jesus, was not revealed until Christ came. The Septuagint was written before that time.

If you look in the New Testament, Jesus is called Kurios/Lord.

Except the word "kurios" isn't a name, it's a title.

If you look in the Old Testament, YHWH was also called LORD God and I AM.

No one is going to deny that Jesus Christ is Lord, but what you fail to recognize is that he was LORD all along, from the Old Testament to the New Testament, from the First to the Last, and from the Beginning until the End.

Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by truejew

 

Jesus and the apostles never taught YHWH.

Scroll down to the section labeled "Septuagint" ...

in the New Testament, Κυριος takes the place of the name of God. However, older fragments contain the name YHWH.

en.wikipedia.org...

It is speaking of some copies of the Septuagint containing YHWH. However, as I pointed out, Luke quoted Jesus as reading from a copy that did not have YHWH.