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Protestant disinfo debunked-Catholics are also Christians

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posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 09:33 AM
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I don't see that we have anything else to talk about.

Probably not.
Some people do not have the ability for original thought.
All they can do is parrot what they are told by their cult leader, and that seems to be the situation with the chronic posters on this forum, with this thread being a good example, over a hundred pages of just spouting party line with no ability to diverge one inch from the official cult doctrine.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 09:36 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Is Jesus completely schizo?


You just said that Jesus and the Father are not separate and are one. Now you say that Jesus is not the Father. Can you make up your mind?


I've been consistent since I met you. Yes, the Father and the Son are one. And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 09:37 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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No, he didn't say that at all. Go back and re-read the dialogue.


I know the dialogue. Unless he is agreeing with Modalism, he is saying that Jesus is separate from God. In other words, he is saying Jesus is not God.


You just showed you don't know the dialogue, go re-read what Adj said.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Again, you cannot do those things while rejecting the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.

A good first step for you would be to repent and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Again, you don't know what I believe. I trust in Christ's completed work at Calvary alone, nothing else. He is the only Savior. And I have been proclaiming that Jesus is Lord for over a decade.

I just "did it" twice now. So explain how this is possible without the Holy Spirit.
edit on 4-8-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)


You reject being born again. You reject Christ.


I never said I reject being born again. Address the points I made, or admit that you cannot. Don't straw man, that's dishonest.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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No, what Trinitarianism states is that The Son of God put on flesh at the incarnation.

According to what document?
That is according to your cult's scheme.
It is not part of real trinitarianism.
There is nothing in there about anyone "putting on" flesh.


That's just a figure of speech. You should realize I didn't mean there was some shot of flesh hanging on a hanger in heaven and He put it on.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

You seem to be struggling with the doctrine of the Trinity . . .

You are "struggling" coming up with an argument to support your position.
You just accept whatever your cult leader says, not bothering to look for any authority beyond that, or even for a proper explanation of it..


What did the Christology say for the Adventist organization which you claim to be a part of?



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 10:50 AM
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And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.

Right, but you think that they are both the same person, which makes you a Sabellian Modalist, not a trinitarian, though you go ahead and falsely label yourself so.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 10:52 AM
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That's just a figure of speech. You should realize I didn't mean there was some shot of flesh hanging on a hanger in heaven and He put it on.
Other than the "hanger" part, explain to me how you belief differs from the analogy.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 10:56 AM
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What did the Christology say for the Adventist organization which you claim to be a part of?
Unless you are now a Seventh Day Adventist yourself, that does not answer my question of by what document do you base you own cult version of Christ's situation within the godhead.
edit on 4-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 12:07 PM
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Modalism makes that a mess -- "Jesus was with Jesus. Jesus was Jesus."


No Modalism states that God has 3 roles, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and if you're familiar with scripture Jesus does all those things.

If man was made in his image, then he has Body, Spirit and Soul and this too is also consistent with scripture. Humans are mini trinities, running around with a body, spirit and a soul, but without Christ our spirits are dead which leaves our souls in a constant flux of chaos, uncaring as to wether we sin or not.

Unfortunately we can debate and argue until Christ returns, and neither of us will budge from our own views and by debating each other we will detract from the Lord's greater glory by his work at Calvary and possibly make matters worse by confusing lurking readers. So then we should lay aside our own personal views and be unified in spirit and in truth, lest we turn aside anyone who might google and end up with this conversation, from coming to Christ. It is for that reason I am now bowing out of this one!



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by truejew
 

I don't see that we have anything else to talk about.

Probably not.
Some people do not have the ability for original thought.
All they can do is parrot what they are told by their cult leader, and that seems to be the situation with the chronic posters on this forum, with this thread being a good example, over a hundred pages of just spouting party line with no ability to diverge one inch from the official cult doctrine.


Some people follow Scripture and don't have need for man made doctrines. Some people can discuss things without insulting the others intelligence. Some people can see that deliverance from sin comes from God, not from satan or from a person's self.
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posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
 


Is Jesus completely schizo?


You just said that Jesus and the Father are not separate and are one. Now you say that Jesus is not the Father. Can you make up your mind?


I've been consistent since I met you. Yes, the Father and the Son are one. And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.


If they are one, Jesus would be Father and Son.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Again, you cannot do those things while rejecting the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.

A good first step for you would be to repent and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.


Again, you don't know what I believe. I trust in Christ's completed work at Calvary alone, nothing else. He is the only Savior. And I have been proclaiming that Jesus is Lord for over a decade.

I just "did it" twice now. So explain how this is possible without the Holy Spirit.
edit on 4-8-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)


You reject being born again. You reject Christ.


I never said I reject being born again. Address the points I made, or admit that you cannot. Don't straw man, that's dishonest.



You have been rejecting being born again.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 04:17 PM
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Quote me saying "I reject the born again doctrine".



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.

Right, but you think that they are both the same person, which makes you a Sabellian Modalist, not a trinitarian, though you go ahead and falsely label yourself so.


I've never said they were both the same Person of the Godhead. You're either thinking of someone else, or you're putting words in my mouth that I never said.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

That's just a figure of speech. You should realize I didn't mean there was some shot of flesh hanging on a hanger in heaven and He put it on.
Other than the "hanger" part, explain to me how you belief differs from the analogy.


I don't know the details of the incarnation, the Bible really isn't specific. I would assume a body was formed so.what similar to how Adam and Eve were but in infant form instead. Can't say for sure.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

What did the Christology say for the Adventist organization which you claim to be a part of?
Unless you are now a Seventh Day Adventist yourself, that does not answer my question of by what document do you base you own cult version of Christ's situation within the godhead.
edit on 4-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)


So are the Adventists cultists too? I don't have a problem with their Christology or Theology Proper that I copy/pasted earlier. So if my understanding of the nature of Christ or the Trinity is "cultish", then likewise is your own denomination.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by truejew

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
 


Is Jesus completely schizo?


You just said that Jesus and the Father are not separate and are one. Now you say that Jesus is not the Father. Can you make up your mind?


I've been consistent since I met you. Yes, the Father and the Son are one. And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.


I said the are one, I never said they are the same.

If they are one, Jesus would be Father and Son.



posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 07:26 PM
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. . . if my understanding of the nature of Christ or the Trinity is "cultish" . . .

Does your "understanding" come from your cult?
If so, it is "cultish".
The alternative is to get your understanding from the Bible.
Adventist generally believe that Jesus was "fully" God at the same time as being "fully" human.
Otherwise, they are generally Arian in that God existed before the Son of God.
Personally, I go along with the Arian part but I go with Paul in that he (the future Jesu) emptied himself of those god powers when he became a human, then was filled with all the god nature fufficient for his work on this earth, then upon ascension was given all power and authority until which time as everyone on earth submits themselves to his lordship.
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posted on Aug, 4 2013 @ 08:20 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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Quote me saying "I reject the born again doctrine".


You have been teaching against baptism in Jesus name and Spirit baptism.




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