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I don't see that we have anything else to talk about.
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
Is Jesus completely schizo?
You just said that Jesus and the Father are not separate and are one. Now you say that Jesus is not the Father. Can you make up your mind?
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
No, he didn't say that at all. Go back and re-read the dialogue.
I know the dialogue. Unless he is agreeing with Modalism, he is saying that Jesus is separate from God. In other words, he is saying Jesus is not God.
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
Again, you cannot do those things while rejecting the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
A good first step for you would be to repent and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Again, you don't know what I believe. I trust in Christ's completed work at Calvary alone, nothing else. He is the only Savior. And I have been proclaiming that Jesus is Lord for over a decade.
I just "did it" twice now. So explain how this is possible without the Holy Spirit.edit on 4-8-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
You reject being born again. You reject Christ.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
No, what Trinitarianism states is that The Son of God put on flesh at the incarnation.
According to what document?
That is according to your cult's scheme.
It is not part of real trinitarianism.
There is nothing in there about anyone "putting on" flesh.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
You seem to be struggling with the doctrine of the Trinity . . .
You are "struggling" coming up with an argument to support your position.
You just accept whatever your cult leader says, not bothering to look for any authority beyond that, or even for a proper explanation of it..
And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.
Other than the "hanger" part, explain to me how you belief differs from the analogy.
That's just a figure of speech. You should realize I didn't mean there was some shot of flesh hanging on a hanger in heaven and He put it on.
Unless you are now a Seventh Day Adventist yourself, that does not answer my question of by what document do you base you own cult version of Christ's situation within the godhead.
What did the Christology say for the Adventist organization which you claim to be a part of?
Modalism makes that a mess -- "Jesus was with Jesus. Jesus was Jesus."
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by truejew
I don't see that we have anything else to talk about.
Probably not.
Some people do not have the ability for original thought.
All they can do is parrot what they are told by their cult leader, and that seems to be the situation with the chronic posters on this forum, with this thread being a good example, over a hundred pages of just spouting party line with no ability to diverge one inch from the official cult doctrine.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
Is Jesus completely schizo?
You just said that Jesus and the Father are not separate and are one. Now you say that Jesus is not the Father. Can you make up your mind?
I've been consistent since I met you. Yes, the Father and the Son are one. And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
Again, you cannot do those things while rejecting the teachings of Jesus and His apostles.
A good first step for you would be to repent and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
Again, you don't know what I believe. I trust in Christ's completed work at Calvary alone, nothing else. He is the only Savior. And I have been proclaiming that Jesus is Lord for over a decade.
I just "did it" twice now. So explain how this is possible without the Holy Spirit.edit on 4-8-2013 by NOTurTypical because: (no reason given)
You reject being born again. You reject Christ.
I never said I reject being born again. Address the points I made, or admit that you cannot. Don't straw man, that's dishonest.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.
Right, but you think that they are both the same person, which makes you a Sabellian Modalist, not a trinitarian, though you go ahead and falsely label yourself so.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Other than the "hanger" part, explain to me how you belief differs from the analogy.
That's just a figure of speech. You should realize I didn't mean there was some shot of flesh hanging on a hanger in heaven and He put it on.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Unless you are now a Seventh Day Adventist yourself, that does not answer my question of by what document do you base you own cult version of Christ's situation within the godhead.
What did the Christology say for the Adventist organization which you claim to be a part of?edit on 4-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by truejew
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
Is Jesus completely schizo?
You just said that Jesus and the Father are not separate and are one. Now you say that Jesus is not the Father. Can you make up your mind?
I've been consistent since I met you. Yes, the Father and the Son are one. And Jesus is the Son, the Father is the Father.
I said the are one, I never said they are the same.
If they are one, Jesus would be Father and Son.
. . . if my understanding of the nature of Christ or the Trinity is "cultish" . . .
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by truejew
Quote me saying "I reject the born again doctrine".