WHITE SMOKE!!!

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

I didn't mean there was a connection between the "Black Pope" and Saint Francis.. Just was saying the symbolism of Saint Francis rebuilding or saving the Catholic Church was pretty significant as a choice in name for the new Pope since the Church is currently involved in so many scandals.

The Black Pope is interesting because of prophecies stating the final Judgement will come shortly after the appointed "Black Pope" who would also be the 112th pope from the time of the prophecy. Depending on how you interpret "Black Pope" could mean we are on the brink of the days of judgement.

I'm not really a believer in all of that, as I'm not a Christian or Catholic.. but it's pretty nutty how you can see so many parallels between the prophecy and today.

I think the time of "Judgement" might relate more to the Catholic Church being judged currently for all of the scandalous affairs they're dealing with. Perhaps Pope Francis will change the tides and restore faith in the Church.. It's all speculation of course and I don't know that any of it is true.. Just interesting to analyze.

Lets hope Francesco brings good tidings and unity to people not only of Catholic faith, but of all walks of life.

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Ah, makes sense! I am really undecided on the whole "pope prophecy" thing, and more interested simply as a way to explore the accuracy, or lack thereof, as anything else.

The name is interesting, as much for the fact that it is a new one as for the choice. I really hope he does clear up the scandals, as those are a poor reflection on all Christians, by association, and not just Catholics.

The "black pope" stuff is interesting, from a historical viewpoint if nothing else. If I understand correctly from the reading I have done, there have been internal power struggles within the CC for a long time. I have to wonder if choosing a Jesuit is a sign of a power shift, or a sign of some reconciliation. Or, for that matter, if most of us would ever know.

The parallels are very interesting, though. I have long wondered how many are real, and how many are designed, to make the prophecy look real. From reading, the stuff Malachy stated was pretty vague, so it wouldn't be that hard to locate someone, as needed, that would fit his predictions. I guess the real kicker for me is how many other signs there are lately, that fit actual Biblical prophecies. Those, I do pay attention to, being Christian, and also incurably curious.

As for Francis, well, I haven't really gotten a "feel" for him yet. A bit unusual for me, but with all the hoopla, maybe not surprising. Since his position is one of such influence, I do hope he's as good a man as the reports indicate. The world has more than enough crappy people in leadership positions already.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by fuserleer
thats why this pope came out of nowhere...he is John Titor!

Pope John Francis Peter I.

Source? Is that accurate? I did hear a news guy stating he would also be known as "Peter", but they didn't explain or elaborate. Not a single comment about that since, either. Interesting, if so.

Originally posted by fuserleer
thats why this pope came out of nowhere...he is John Titor!

Not really out of nowhere
here is a blast from the past Link

Argentine Cardinal Named in Kidnap Lawsuit
April 17, 2005
VATICAN CITY — A human rights lawyer has filed a criminal complaint against an Argentine cardinal mentioned as a possible contender to become pope, accusing him of involvement in the 1976 kidnappings of two priests.

Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio's spokesman Saturday called the allegation "old slander."

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by fuserleer
thats why this pope came out of nowhere...he is John Titor!

Pope John Francis Peter I.

Source? Is that accurate? I did hear a news guy stating he would also be known as "Peter", but they didn't explain or elaborate. Not a single comment about that since, either. Interesting, if so.

Pretty sure that was a joke.

reply to post by FortAnthem


That was my exact first thought!! I'll admit I'm just a little freaked out right now. I almost feel sick to my stomach for some reason. I hope it's just the two ice cream sandwiches I scarfed down while awaiting the news. I feel awfully anxious as well. I hope that's just gas. :/

I don't know much about all this but he little bit I do know is very unsettling. Okay conspirators let it rip, I can take it. Go ahead and tell me just exactly what this all means.

I will say that upon walking out from behind the doors Pope Francis was pretty "blah". He didn't smile, he didn't flinch, he stood there devoid of emotion. His speech was pretty vague and didn't really give me a sense of who he is. I was just surprised at how little emotion there was when he made his first appearance in papal attire.

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by fuserleer
thats why this pope came out of nowhere...he is John Titor!

Pope John Francis Peter I.

Source? Is that accurate? I did hear a news guy stating he would also be known as "Peter", but they didn't explain or elaborate. Not a single comment about that since, either. Interesting, if so.

No, I was mocking people who would do anything to make him a Peter.

reply to post by KingIcarus


There were many splendorous churches built the world over. I am glad there are still things of beauty when so much of the building today is so ugly. Compare one of the older splendorous Catholic churches around with the ugly modern churches.

Here is one in my home town which is exquisite with gold mosaic..one of the priests told us how many colors were used in the mosaic but I don't remember...it was a lot.

cathedralstl.com...
It would be rather costly to build today.

Not saying there isn't idolatry but at least they built pretty things in times past. It will be interesting to see how the new Pope attends his office.

reply to post by Roguemom


Just in case no one has said this:

Petrus is also known as 'rock' I think... need to confirm.
The Jesuits today form the largest single religious order of priests and brothers in the Catholic Church, although they are surpassed by the Franciscan family

Jesuits also wore black Robes and I thinnk today they wear black shirts.????


So:

Does that make a black pope being the rock of the catholic church?

Thats wild... and I think my imagination has taken over....

reply to post by komp_uk


Well, in fact, you have already said this

Originally posted by Piper96
I'm not a numerology freak, but I'm gonna point out a kinda bizarre coincidence here... Elected on 3/13/13 at 7:06 (7+6=13) kinda creepy. Just sayin... 7:06 was the local time at the Vatican btw...

edit on 13-3-2013 by Piper96 because: (no reason given)

I'm not a numerology freak either but my wife just pointed out to me that 3/13/2013 (3+1+3+2+1+3) adds up to 13 as well! Freaky!

Is it a possibility he chose the name Francis because of this guy:

Francis Xavier, born Francisco de Jasso y Azpilicueta (7 April 1506 – 3 December 1552) was a Roman Catholic missionary born in the Kingdom of Navarre (now part of Spain) and co-founder of the Society of Jesus.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by UnholyBones
Yes sir, white smoke and a new pope has accepted.

Now, who will be appearing from the curtains on the window & which names has
this pope taken?

We wait.

As our new Pope, Cardinal Bergoglio of Argentina, a Jesuit, approaches the window to greet his fellow man, he announces that he will take the name of Pope Francis the First.

Quoted from Blupblup on Page 6:

First Latin American Pope.
First Non-European in over 1000 years.
First Jesuit.
First to introduce a new name.

edit on 3/13/2013 by UnholyBones because: Naming the new Pope

Francis? Somehow this new one won't outrun the recent scandals of the church with that name, I think.

What happened to all that prophecy talk about Peter? Does it not count because this new one is a Jesuit? Or is this new one a blip on the radar, or maybe it doesn't count because the old one is still around? False prophecy much, or do I get to twist this around and call this one something sinister?

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo
I will say that upon walking out from behind the doors Pope Francis was pretty "blah". He didn't smile, he didn't flinch, he stood there devoid of emotion. His speech was pretty vague and didn't really give me a sense of who he is. I was just surprised at how little emotion there was when he made his first appearance in papal attire.

Well..he's an old man. I'm sure the anticipation of these past days events have taken a lot out of all involved.

I wouldn't place all my judgement of him based on his first few minutes as Pope.

Des

Originally posted by z00mster
reply to post by komp_uk

 

Well, in fact, you have already said this

Haha, yeah, oops.. I wrote a short piece and then as usual (incase of post failure) CTRL-C to copy the post, then reply... it seems I just CTRL-V instead without noticing the switch before posting....

Should I delete or retreat?

Thanks for the sharp eyes..

Originally posted by EvilBat

Originally posted by fuserleer
thats why this pope came out of nowhere...he is John Titor!

Not really out of nowhere
here is a blast from the past Link

Argentine Cardinal Named in Kidnap Lawsuit
April 17, 2005
VATICAN CITY — A human rights lawyer has filed a criminal complaint against an Argentine cardinal mentioned as a possible contender to become pope, accusing him of involvement in the 1976 kidnappings of two priests.

Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio's spokesman Saturday called the allegation "old slander."

Well, now, that's interesting......

Did anyone else catch the phrase -

At the time, Bergoglio was the superior in the Society of Jesus of Argentina.

Does that mean he headed the Jesuits there? Hmm...

reply to post by Wookiep


Well, would hope so, but I did hear a reporter make that comment. Listening for a good while after that, it was never repeated or explained. So, I am curious. Was the guy told that wasn't to be talked about? Was it a mistake?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by fuserleer
thats why this pope came out of nowhere...he is John Titor!

Pope John Francis Peter I.

Source? Is that accurate? I did hear a news guy stating he would also be known as "Peter", but they didn't explain or elaborate. Not a single comment about that since, either. Interesting, if so.

No, I was mocking people who would do anything to make him a Peter.

Ah. Maybe that's what the reporter was doing. Hard to say.

common-words-translated.findthedata.org...

Q
What does the word(s) "vagga, berg, gunga" mean in English?
A
The Swedish word(s) "vagga, berg, gunga" means "rock" in English.

Berg ie Petrus the Rock

www.wordaz.com...

Oglio is a river in Italy.

Is he not Peter from Rome?

Though Obama is the antichrist and baraq and o or u (joiners) bama are the hebrew concordant for those words Christ spoke of seeing Satan fall as lightening from the heights in Luke.

So I still think TPTB are not finished with their very childish role playing games yet.

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo
I will say that upon walking out from behind the doors Pope Francis was pretty "blah". He didn't smile, he didn't flinch, he stood there devoid of emotion. His speech was pretty vague and didn't really give me a sense of who he is. I was just surprised at how little emotion there was when he made his first appearance in papal attire.

Thank you for saying this, my thoughts exactly. What kind of greeting to his followers was that? How absolutely withdrawn. I don't care if he was overwhelmed or maybe nervous, it came off as disconnected and not really friendly or caring for the followers who have been faithfully waiting.

reply to post by Mijamija


Why not both?

But, on CNN, the Deputy of the Vatican said is was St. Francis if Assisi, as Brogoglio identifies with his work with tbe poor and it will be explained later at a presser.

reply to post by kosmicjack


Aha! I see, I am not watching the tv right now, thanks for the info!