Feminism & The Downfall Of The Traditional Family

InTheLight
reply to post by orangetom1999

 

So, tell me Orangetom, what is the reason for the downfall of traditional marriage? And, tell us how long you have been married.

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First I need your definition of Pornography since you seemed want to bring it up to solidify your position.

Thanks,
Orangetom

orangetom1999

InTheLight
reply to post by orangetom1999

 

So, tell me Orangetom, what is the reason for the downfall of traditional marriage? And, tell us how long you have been married.

edit on 27-10-2013 by InTheLight because: (no reason given)

First I need your definition of Pornography since you seemed want to bring it up to solidify your position.

Thanks,
Orangetom

My position needs no solidification, I believe all the information I posted in links and the summations I provided are clear. But since you still seem to be unable to grasp the meaning of my posts, the article (link) below explains very well the deterimental effects that pornography may cause to the downfall of any relationship (from a male perspective):

Porn, on the other hand, objectifies women. It turns women into “things” that are only there to gratify a man’s sexual urge. Porn eliminates any need to connect with a woman emotionally or intellectually,
however here's a male porn performer's definition which may (or may not help) you and the reader's to understand how this behaviour could harm a relationship and objectify women.

www.artofmanliness.com...

For even more enlightenment on the subject of absentee or abusive fathers, there are a couple articles from the AoM archive you might want to read: 6 Lessons I Learned About Being a Man from Growing Up Fatherless is pretty self-explanatory, while A Generation of Men Raised by Women is more about the reasons behind the phenomenon.

While it’s easy to feel nostalgic for a time period like the 1950s, I’m happy to be a dad in the modern age. I don’t work 10 hours a day at a job I hate, come home, play with my kids for a few minutes and then crack open a beer in front of the tv. My father traveled a lot and never changed a diaper. He was a great dad, but I’m loving having a much more hands-on role with our new arrival. Say what you will about the feminism movement, but I’m happy to have been “liberated” from the Industrial Revolution ideal of being the absentee bread winner. If there’s one generational difference I notice between my parents’ generation and mine, is that my generation values time over money. And not because we’re lazy either, but because we’re not willing to trade time with the people we love most for a gold watch at retirement.

www.artofmanliness.com...

I and the reader's (I am sure) are awaiting your insights as to what has caused and is still causing the downfall of the traditional marriage/relationships.

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www.artofmanliness.com...

For even more enlightenment on the subject of absentee or abusive fathers, there are a couple articles from the AoM archive you might want to read: 6 Lessons I Learned About Being a Man from Growing Up Fatherless is pretty self-explanatory, while A Generation of Men Raised by Women is more about the reasons behind the phenomenon.

While it’s easy to feel nostalgic for a time period like the 1950s, I’m happy to be a dad in the modern age. I don’t work 10 hours a day at a job I hate, come home, play with my kids for a few minutes and then crack open a beer in front of the tv. My father traveled a lot and never changed a diaper. He was a great dad, but I’m loving having a much more hands-on role with our new arrival. Say what you will about the feminism movement, but I’m happy to have been “liberated” from the Industrial Revolution ideal of being the absentee bread winner. If there’s one generational difference I notice between my parents’ generation and mine, is that my generation values time over money. And not because we’re lazy either, but because we’re not willing to trade time with the people we love most for a gold watch at retirement.

www.artofmanliness.com...

I and the reader's (I am sure) are awaiting your insights as to what has caused and is still causing the downfall of the traditional marriage/relationships.

reply to post by InTheLight


InTheLight,

My position needs no solidification, I believe all the information I posted in links and the summations I provided are clear. But since you still seem to be unable to grasp the meaning of my posts, the article (link) below explains very well the deterimental effects that pornography may cause to the downfall of any relationship (from a male perspective):

Wow!! I am not sure you get the meaning of why I asked that question concernign "Your " Definition of Pornography. It had to do with RISKS and RISK Taking.
Your response was pretty much as expected. And no, I dont think in the larger picture it is related to the downfall of any relationship. I think it is a strategy for women to grasp onto for power and leverage over the social structure.
The reason I state such was the statement I asked about how many or what the ratio was of women involved in the pornograpny industry verses men.

While I dont recommend a career in pornography I am aware of these numbers. I am also aware of how many women try to use and misuse it as political leverage in the like manner to which they use and misuse the dogma of a patriarchial society when I know these things are not true.

I am also InTheLight well aware of how much pornography and obscenity is marketed to women..in order to get them to buy certain merchandize and take advantage of their sexuality.
This is sometimes called Soft Porn. And the romance novels are full of it as are the magazines.
As I stated in previous posts..just because a female is not hunting and gathering in the manner as does a male..does not mean she is not hunting and gathering.
Just because pornography and obscenity is not marketed to females in the manner it is to males does not mean it is not obscene or pornographic.

And Once again...I do not approve of an individual ..male or female who defines themselves by their sexuality ...and accompanying this...the trappings/merchandize of their sexuality.

The womens movements are full of this dogma carte blanche...as is the Homosexual movment..while they attempt to censor others...to neutrality on this issue.

This tack does not work with me InTheLight simply because I have been educated to see or navigate my way through this hypocricy.

I know this simply because when I bother to watch one of these daytime talk shows....marketed heavily to women....I realize quickly that if you take or remove from them the sex and sexuality ..you have no program. This is obscene and pornographic. I do not have to be educated or programmed per se to see and think my way through this. I addition to being obscene and pornographic...these programs are textbook for the "Victim Dictum" as part and parcel of their pornographic and obscene template...and all for ratings. How obscene.
Bread and circuses.

The truth of the matter InTheLight is that women and feminists want to take full advantage of their sex and sexuality for power and control over the social structure while binding down the males by "Guilt Censorship...or Guilt Manipulations" of male sexuality. This is Hypocricy and it is also not equality.

This, InTheLight, is why I knew early on that you would be bringing up this topic line..or line of thought...You think it is your strong suit. No problem by me..I merely note it for the nonsense it is.

When you take into view ...the anti pornography stance of the womens movments...and their desire to control or neuter male sexuality....and then contrast this with the abortion movement by which the feminists also want to control the market...you realize that they do not believe life is precious...but that life is convenient..and marketable for power...without RISK. They obviously do not believe male life is precious...but only to be controlled for power...just like politics. And if the life of the unborn needs to be sacrificed as well..so be it.
But others are socially required to take RISKS for everything they have ..including by default for others.

Your posts on this definition are to reduce your RISK...ie..vulnurability as I knew it would be. Instead substituting the knowlege and research ..thoughts and Ideas of others without your direct commitment. NO problem once again ..it is noted..and I suspected this from the beginning of reading your posts. This is security orientation...without RISKS. And it is textbook of the womens movements. Get someone else to underwrite it.

When I detect in a woman that the most she has in life ..particularly when the going gets rough...is her sexuality...it is a great disappointment to me and quickly noted.This too is why guilt manipulations do not work on me.

I have told many women ..that I am not interested in their insecurities or guilt manipulations being put in the wagon for me to pull for them.
I believe in equality...and equal RISK...not defaulting through..particularly by guilt manipulations...without RISK.

Oh..and by the way..this kind of guilt manipulations..and defaulting without RISKS ..has become very common in the political arena in the last ten years. You see it more and more...in maneuvering for power and control. It is coming more and more out in the open. One of the fingerprints of it..or identifying indexes..is guilt manipulations accompanies by high emotional levels...to aid in defaulting through without dissent...or competition.

as to this InTheLight...You are going to need more practice..

Porn, on the other hand, objectifies women. It turns women into “things” that are only there to gratify a man’s sexual urge. Porn eliminates any need to connect with a woman emotionally or intellectually,
however here's a male porn performer's definition which may (or may not help) you and the reader's to understand how this behaviour could harm a relationship and objectify women.

You are very provincial in this line of thinking in that you do not realize or account for the simple fact that both sexes objectify. I illustrated this in the "success Objectification" of the woman not interested in the guy until she realized that he was driving a Lamborghini ..a type of sports car. This represented a potential increase in her social status...without work and without RISK. This was obscene and pornographic.

When a woman asks me to increase my RISK taking by solving some problem for her that she does not know how to do...or does not want or have the ability to pay for someone to do it for her...this is often obscene...simply because I am not responsible for her delimma...or lack of skills and knowledge.
When I am doing this for her she will almost never ask what kind of difficulty or RISKS I took to learn this skill or knowledge.
She just wants her problems solved...like swiping a card ...or pushing a button. I call this the "Flashdance " Phenomonon. To be Flashdanced through lifes hurdles by someone else's RISK taking. Another word for it is Male disposability and expendability. It is objectification and I have over the years learned that under "Equality" it is obscene and pornographic that one sex is more disposable and expendable than another while touting equality ...equal rights.

Well..as usual...I am running out of characters. I will begin a continuation anon.

reply to post by InTheLight


For the other readers here I offer these three videos of what happened to the womens/feminist movements in the early days as a yardstick to measure how it got to the point it is today. How feminism was overtaken and Hijacked to become what it is today.

I did not know this history until hearing it in the video by Erin Pizzey. I have also ordered her book to flesh out more details and history.

Part 1
www.youtube.com...

Part2
www.youtube.com...


Part3
www.youtube.com...


There are more videos in this series but this will suffice for now.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Orangetom, what it all boils down to is 'free choice' for everyone in any situation, or a person of any gender with any hormonal level difference.

Bashing women and men that are trying to eliminate continuing inequalities within our society, to me, is a misguided and pitiable endeavour that only divide and isolate each other (or certain groups).

I offer three very interesting videos for the readers - it's worth watching all three because they are informative and entertaining. Again, to me, it's all about 'free choice'.

Viva la inherent differences between men and women.

Wow..I have a difficult time believing what is happening in the news...the timing of it. It has been breaking in the news outlets for a few days now and showing up on more of the media...not the left liberal media but in certain other medias...and the import of it.

Beginning with this from over a year ago...

What had happened was that the board of education up in Wisconsin wanted white people to volunteer, by brainwashing/programming, to wear wristbands and thus indicating by this wristband that they had what is called by modern thinkers and educators..."White Privilege."

This is a type of "Guilt Manipualtion and Guilt Programming" being used for some time now in the cloistered halls of pubic education and supposed to demonstrate "Education, Illumination, and Enlightenment." What it is...is the beginnings of open racism and division..not unity. It is confusion.
And I have been talking about Guilt Manipulations and Guilt Politics in relation to the feminist movements. and have also stated that others are using and misusing this technique for political and social lucre.

What it also is..is open ignorance and forgetting for political purposes the lessons of History. I said and stated in a previous post that many of todays Enlightened and Illumated know little history.

For some social thinkers in history past had the Jews wear Identifying markers to show themselves guilty of some greater social and moral tresspass. And those of us with a knowledge of history know to where this lead. Death.

Here is the link to the Wisconsin education board and what they were promoting in Wisconsin

eagnews.org...

Now ..I take the time to bring all this up to the readers to illustrate as to where this is going and the relivence to the topic at hand and feminism. Because much more than feminism is involved here ...though feminism can be seen in recent events if one knows more than sports conditioning and Guilt Manipulations and Guilt Politics.

It seems that the US Military has now picked up on this fingerprint or political/social operating technique which was first piloted in Public schools and colleges. It has now become dogma and doctrine in the miliatry. They are teaching open Guilt Manipulation and Guilt Politics to the military people.

What they are teaching and indoctrinating the military people on is open sexism, Racism, homophobia, and also rampant anti Christianity...while giving the very false impression that this is leadership.

It seems that frustrated and disillusioned Military people are beginning to open up and tell what is going on in the cloistered enviornment of the military. They are disgusted with where someone is attempting to mislead the military.

Public schools and colleges is exactly the cloistered enviornment where feminism/sexism, racism, Homophobia, and anti Christianity have been promoted and protected by government programs and monies. And now they are attempting to use and misuse the cloistered enviornment of the military to promote and protect the same nonsense.
This kind of social change..ie guilt manipuliations..can only be seeded and survive in a cloistered type of enviornment where government social thinkers can protect it from serious outside scrutiny and questioning. Now they are attempting to spread it to the cloistered enviornment of the military..also under the control of the government. Remember this about cloistered enviornments..it is going to come up again in relation to this kind of topic.

Here is the link to the news article. The timing of this could not be better for this thread.

www.theblaze.com...

Notice here as I have been saying about feminism....here we see it applied in like manner in an attempt to solve racism.

ON the very opening line of this article you see this jewel which has what is politically correct now on the basis of Colour/Race..not on ability or fitness ..on intellect, reason, or merit..but on race. Hence it is racism now being promoted in order to solve what they see as a problem of racism. Astonishing!!

A manual used for diversity training for the military describes white males as having an “unfair advantage” compared to other races, and encourages troops to “support the leadership of people of color.”

Now..watch where this goes further on down the article...

here.

“Simply put, a healthy, white, heterosexual, Christian male receives many unearned advantages of social privilege, whereas a black, homosexual, atheist female in poor health receives many unearned disadvantages of social privilege,” a statement in the manual read.

It is clear to those who are not burdened with "Guilt Manipulations and Guilt Politics" that this is nothing more than anti white racism...pro heterosexuality/Homophobia, Anti white Male, and also anti Christianity. The big four....of social change and where someone wants and desires to move this nation..by default. And they are using and misusing now..the cloistered enviornment of the military to promote this nonsense. Tailored male expendabity and disposability.


And furthermore ..what this is ..is not Leadership. It is division. It is disunity..it is divide and conquer. It is Confusion...Chaos. It is the blame game personified.

This cannot happen without the commitment from the highest in Washington DC...they are promoting it.

From the highest..they are also backing the Homosexual groups..the Feminist groups, the Racism groups for social change. They are also now admitting that they are openly anti Christian. Meaning that they would rather have any religion but Christianity..and we have known this for a long time now.


This fingerprint of open discrimination and expendability and disposability of one sex over another...rampant and rabid exploitation of the sex and sexuaity of a people...and rampant runaway homophobia by government is going to accelerate...with the help and attempts to default through by feminists and other race baiters and haters while claiming the shoe is on someone else's foot.

It is easy to predict that the feminists will be silent on this one.

I have been saying from the beginning that the feminists are tied in together at the top with other groups and all of them working for social change..preferably by defaulting through on public ignorance.

I did not expect for this news to break while writing on this thead to illustrate the truth of this...but here it is. The timing could not have been more perfect.

Notice also that you do not see a study connecting these groups...to a common source or control but for those with the ability to see or think outside the box of what attempts to pass for excellence or morality today..it is clear.

So far there has been silence from the feminists groups on this obvious sexism, racism, Homophobia and anti Christianity. I predict that there will be continued silence.

Hope this helps some of the readers out here to break the chains/blinders someone is trying to put upon them.

Thanks
Orangetom

Here is a bit of levity on this thread about something which I observed on U tube a couple of years ago. Though it is laid out with humor..there is some truth to it...

Enjoy,

www.youtube.com...


Orangetom

InTheLight,

I watched the three videos and had a chuckle starting with the first of these.

This is material already covered by Warren Farrell in his books and also now in his videos. This includes observing how children play from very young ages. The differences ..and preferences. This is not new material. People were examining th is over 20 years go. However ...it is noted in Warren Farrell's books and also in these videos...the differences in males and females in play at a young age.

I also note the abscence of the concept/understanding of RISK/RISKS in how the two sexes think and analyze how they will work....jobs they choose.

Thanks for the videos,
Orangetom

InTheLight
reply to post by orangetom1999

 

See previous post, men need to step up and take it all back.

InTheLight,

I went back and re read this thread and found this on page 22. I've probably re read this thread about three times before I finally caught this about the quote above.

You do realize this contradicts your statement on page 21 about this being a male dominated society?? Yes??

True, in addition, our needs within this male dominated society are totally different.

For if men need to take it all back..this cannot possibly be a male dominated society. This in addition to all the other reasons I stated by which this cannot possibly be a male dominated society.

I should have caught this much earlier. My Bad.

Thanks for the confirmation about this not being a male dominated society...but a female dominated society...hiding itself under the false guise of being a male dominated society.


Orangetom

As I stated in my previous post...it is the male who is the most disposable and expendable sex out here...by default.

Articles like this are clearly explaining and defining what I have posted previously ..that the male is the most expendable and disposable sex out here. Now with articles like this..it becomes clear as to the roles feminism, racism, homosexuality and other "change agents" are having in promoting the goals of social engineers and global planners. For this pattern of operation could not happen without the consent of Washington DC and high upper leadership.



www.theblaze.com...



This is not a program for leadership...it is a program for division or divide and conquer. It is a program for separating people of this nation into camps to be conquered...spiritually, socially, and physically. It is a program for polarizing people into opposing camps.

Here is an important thing to remember..to keep in the back of your mind for future reference. The so called Conservative party in America...The Republicans...if they are not decrying and speaking out against this for the racism, homophobic, sexism and anti christianity that it so obviously is....they are in on it. The are actually for this fingerprint while appearning to be conservative and against it. They are phony or ersatz conservatives.
They are working quietly and privily with the left and liberals to bring about this social change.I can figure out this fingerprint in like manner as I do with InTheLight..by what they do not do or say. In dealing with Occult or hidden/concealed principles and religions..you must learn or teach yourself to see into the shadows...into the darkness..to contrast it with Light.

Now...why are white male christian heterosexuals in the cross hairs with this kind of social change.
Back on page 21 of this thread I posted this ...

..and it is looked down by many in the womens movements with derision...even if they have to create bad guys in the media and public mind set to do it. "The War on Women."

This is happening with white male christian heterosexuals simply because the method of operation..the MO... if you like is to create bad guys to help in the polarization and conquering of a people and nations. This method of operation if properly programmed and brainwashed gives more potential to "Default " through without question and without dissent..without opposition.

This means you must get young people and those easily emoted or defaulted by taking advantage of their unguarded and inexperienced emotions over to your position. Females, for whom they often think their emotions are what is correct, moral, and right, young people without real life experiences and mostly a television and movie education in lieu of real thinking and experience, homosexuals..also easily emoted and thereby controlled. Atheists..also easily emoted and thereby controlled..are the perfect cannon fodder for programs such as this. All these groups are easily cultivated by their inexperience, lack of knowledge, and immature emotions. Racists, race baiters and race haters also exhibit this easily emoted fingeprint.

And these are all the groups which government has carefully sought out and cultivated for votes over the years and for programs just like this one being promoted in the cloistered enviornments of the military and even longer in public education.

The White heterosexual, Christian Male...is the one individual in the social structure who is not so easily emoted...unless he can be feminized. Therefore he chooses to stand outside this control/controlled group.
Unless he can be feminized....the White, heterosexual, Christian male..is also in a group who do not believe themselves "Entitled by Victim Status" to goods and services on the public purse..by using and misusing the good cop/bad cop tabloid emotional justificatioins so politically popular today.

He is therefore the new bad guy...good cop/ bad cop. He is to be exploited, singled out as is so obviously done in this article, culled out and made into the new bad guy by social engineers working at the behest of High offices across the land and under the leadership of Washington DC.

And neither political party will teach what is clearly happening out here. The military is now the latest cloistered group to be brought under the propaganda, social engineering control with a view to eventually bringing out this religion and dogma into the mainstream.

This is nothing but an attempt by propaganda to create bad guys in the minds of the public according to a social template.....begun so long ago ..in "The Ever War."

I will continue on another post..

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The problem is ..that they are attempting to do this in the military..a traditional bastion of conservative thinking. Conservative thinking because of what they do ..regularly ..take RISKS in their occupation.

What is being kept quiet is that the White House, under the Department of Defense, has been for some time now... removing leadership..from their positions in the military and replacing them with politically correct types..who will carry out these social change programs..not balk or complain..and obey...even if it means altering the mission purpose of the military over to social programs....not the militarys prime goal.
In short..the military is now being feminized. Generals and Admirals are being replaced with politically reliable types.

This is a " coup d'état" of the military and its mission...goals.. over to social change and social programs..through guilt manipulations and guilt programming. What it is not is leadership. And military people..by knowing RISK and RISK TAKING...instinctively know what is real leadership. They are not easily deceived by this type of ersatz leadership or programming. And some of them are beginning to speak out. And this is why a change of high leadership is taking place..in order to silence any dissent or objection in the military.

Nonetheless ..it is clear by this article that the feminists are an important part of this template..having been invested in years ago to get to this point where they can work so boldly with our military, along with other social change groups, to feminize them by guilt manipulations and guilt programming of the very type I have been explaining here in this thread.
If you readers know this...you can see also why and how the feminists have been used and misused to aid in destroying the family unit and cause division...chaos across this country and have survived in cloistered protected enviornments of government programs as well as the media, courts, and in public education...also a government program. The only place they can survive and be protected and sheltered. A place where their emotions will be tolerated and defaulted through...unquestioned and unchallanged...undebated.

By the way..I know the media is become feminine..simply because of the format or pattern of their operation over the years..they have become more and more emotional in their appeal to the people...they have become tabloid like in this country..in order to grab or hijack the public by their unguarded emotions..in like manner as does the body politic. There is a definite connection here to the feminine.


Once programs like this one... being used and misused on our military for social change... have sufficiently succeeded...look for them to be brought out into the mainstream with the force of law. They will also be more and more exposed to us by the Main Stream Media who for now desire not to cover this news and informations until it becomes firmly entrenched. Until then it must be hidden and kept from most people out here. Particularly those with high emotional levels. They must not know of it until it it time to once again scream ..."Hitler."

Thanks,
Orangetom

Received Erin Pizzey's book "This Way to the Revolution" today. I hope to begin it on my lunch break tonight.

I am interested to see, if she explains thusly, the difference in the feminists movement in the early days and as to what it has morphed into today. Also any other history of the time and contrast with today.

Thanks,
Orangetom

orangetom1999
I dont care what the women say in this or other threads...most of them are not looking for that much RISK Taking or commitment. They usually try to put this onus on the male with scorn and derision for his hesitation to commit.

The problem with equality is that most of the women out here are not looking for more RISK taking to make the male comfortable and Peaceful in his life. They prefer it the other way around. That the male take the RISKs running touchdowns while they get the goods and access to goods and services..ie.."Options."

The male ..particularly in Western Cultures has a tradition of male to female giving ..not so much the other way around. This is one reason so many females are more atuned to social skills than are most males. For social traditions and customs are to them a source of power and control over the male and therefore his production..ie..goods and services.
Can you say.."good provider??"

Go to any car salesperson and ask ...who is the primary determiner of what kinds of cars are purchased in this country..the male or the female. I did not ask who paid for them and maintained them..but who determines how many and what kind of cars are purchased.

How about what kind of home is purchased..the goods going into it?? Notice how when you see these home fix it up or trade this home programs...all the women in these programs are wearing burkas?? I do ...all of them right???

How do you have a "War on women" in a nation where the women are the primary determiners of where, how, and when the monies are spent all across every economic arena/spectrum??

The only way this can be sold is if the male of this nation is dumbed down by default and ignorance. By cheap political guilt manipulations to set the hook.

How about those Redskins?? Cowboys??? NASCAR???

Do not ever feel guilty as a male when you are out here taking RISKS in earning your monies and turning it over to a woman for her discretion in spending it. Most women in this country have discretion in spending not only thier monies earned but the monies of their man as well. What a dumb bunch of males there are out there. Really dumb.

The willingness of the male to work, take RISKS for his money and then turn it over to the female for her discretionary spending is one of the greatest adaptions in the animal kingdom..and it is looked down by many in the womens movements with derision...even if they have to create bad guys in the media and public mind set to do it. "The War on Women."

Dont be a dumb schmuck.
Put down the remote and the swimsuit edition and try thinking...not emoting. Put down the alcohol too. The women have the emoting arena locked up...by default. No one wants to hear your emotions as a male because women can be more easily swayed to vote a certain way by stroking their emotions....not yours.
As I stated in my previous post...it is the male who is the most disposable and expendable sex out here...by default.

When the draft comes back..in equality ..they are going to start drafting women right??? Equality ..right?? RISK Taking...Right?? Women do believe in that much equality ..right?? Equal liability to labor and RISK??

How about those Redskins..Cowboys....NASCAR??

Women as a guideline or rule...usually pick occupations which better fit their personalities. This is an option. They do not generally choose occupations which will endanger their beauty or physical assets in the marketplace. For this will make them less marketable ...socially ..and particularly among males..or in competition with other females. And believe me ..females understand competition far more intensely and in a feral manner than do most of the men out here....far more intensely.

This is not usually a Option given to most males. They must more often go where the RISKS are higher for this is also where the pay is higher though conditions may often be worse
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Arenas where you find women ..working and taking high risks...many of them soon enough begin to hunt and gather to work their way out and into a more Optional job or condition.
As I stated...they want jobs which better suit their personalities...better conditions, better hours ..etc etc.

Are all women like this..no..but you see it often enough to take note of it. As I stated ..it is the male who is the most expendable and disposable sex out here in western cultures ..not the female.


Violence against women.

This one is very interesting and telling. Though women today are becoming more and more violent themselves...most violence in this nation is against males..not against women or females.

Yet you hardly ever hear this explained on any media..even conservative media. Once again it is the male who is the most expendable and disposable sex out here.

Do not be conned when you hear these terms again in the media particularly near election time...they are attempting again to cry..."Hitler" and you are supposed to emote and not think for yourself.

Well..that is enough for now..

Hope some of you are beginning to realize how you have been conned about a great many things..male and female.
This is by design..not by accident or circumstance.

Train yourself to think not emote. For the body politic will uses and misuse both the male and female emotions against you for political lucre. IN case you dont know the formal word for this kind of con job..it is called "Whoredom."

The buying, selling, and trading of the very souls of a people for lucre. And fomenting chaos, lies, and deception is how they do it..by preying on your unguarded emotions.

BeWarned.

Thanks,
Orangetom

*laughs* what a bunch of bull tainted with bitterness.


I will remember that the next non risk taking female I come across tells me how they worked to put their spouse through college, birthed their children, to have the ahole run off with a younger model... .

Myself included. Except the younger model part.

Ireminisce
reply to post by Cuervo

 

It worked for the cave men didn't it? I mean, our species has survived up to this point.

Almost every society continued living this way, and it was fine. You really don't think that the drug use, teen pregnancies, welfare issues, divorce rate, and over all lack of morality in our culture has anything at all to do with so many women taking on the extra responsibility of joining the work force?

Is that our template for family structure?

Have you ever considered that maybe our family structure is natural, and it shouldn't be tampered with? Why fix something that's not broken?

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Actually, all the countries that are leading the world have one thing in common, women have pseudo equality. The third world and backward counties all have one thing in common, they don't.

Nixie Nox,

Thanks for your reply.

*laughs* what a bunch of bull tainted with bitterness.


I will remember that the next non risk taking female I come across tells me how they worked to put their spouse through college, birthed their children, to have the ahole run off with a younger model... .

Myself included. Except the younger model part.

And all women are doing this...putting their men through college..and all men are doing this..going for the Younger woman?? Hence we need to change the government for this??

You seem to be assuming that I approve of this kind of conduct..male or female. I dont . However...this would be in line with RISK taking...would it not??? This makes a female equal to a male..does it not?? Expendable and disposable?? Yes??



I do, however, know one female who is working and taking on the role of "Provider" while her man goes to school and also works.
It is obvious to me that this young man believes in his soul that his education makes him better than her and that now socially she is lower on the status board than is he. This is causing them problems.

I think that he is very feminine in this. Status oriented. I actually like her better than he and admire her for going the distance. She needs a good man..not a male..there is a difference. But she picked him..for whatever reason/reasons.

I think he will leave her for another woman or women and I dont approve of this.

However...she made her bed with him. And she is responsible...as is he. You dont change the government for this.
I don't think their situation came with a warranty.

Oh..one thing I know about this young man..is that he was raised primarily by a woman..his mother ..a widower. He needs a woman to spoil him. I dont think much of this kind of male..male...not man.

On the other side..Nixie Nox..I know a number of men who have been traded in for a model who can provide more for their women and children. They have left and gone where the loaves and fishes can be acquirred ...more easily and without much RISK.
You present this ..in like manner to InTheLight..from only one angle...only one side.

My friend across the river hit it clearly on the head of the nail..when he stated all these women were coming over to date him ...looking for what they could get for themselves and their children. They were not looking at what was missing from his life. They were all assuming by running a textbook program..that they..these women...were enough for him if they played their cards correctly. But never was he ever supposed to be able to figure out what he finally learned about women. Never!!

They were looking to go where the goods were more ripe for the picking . Looking to go somewhere to lower their RISKS and at the same time raise their social status. No one needed to see that these women with children were nearing the age where biology was running out..it was getting closer to midnight Cinderella and life was not quite and suitably locked in.

But no one sees what we do..as the saying goes. They needed to keep my friend ignorant of the real status..but he figured it out.

Just like the woman I posted in the video about the guy driving the Lamborghini..only then would she give him a second thought.

What you are posting about the Male leaving their woman for the younger woman is obscene and pornographic..

But it goes two ways Nixie Nox. It is just that with females and women ...most seldom see it for what it is..obscene and pornographic...No one sees what we do....except another woman.



Oh..by the way...this in your signature statement.
It looks good..it looks logical..even reasonable.

The problem is what is happening today...right now in the breaking news.

Here..your quote..

\"If you dont want your tax dollars to help the poor then stop saying you want a country based on Christian values. Because you dont\" John fugelsang

The problem which is going on ..in a secular, anti christian government...is that social benefits are being cut. Food Stamps are beign cut to many families across the land by some 30 to 40 dollars a month.


It is obvious by my previous post that in the programs being run on the military they are singling out white male heterosexual christians. By this ...illustrating that the government has a very anti christian bias.

For you see...Nixie Nox...Government does not belong in the charity business...of forcing aid to the poor...or put another way..."Wealth Redistribution."

As I stated in my previous posts..."Wealth Redistribution is not RISK redistribution."

What is going to happen is exactly what is happening..as this thing winds down..due to mismanagement and inflationary pressures..there will be less and less to redistribute..even in easily created monies as well as products. Both the monies and the production of a nation will take a hit.
The monies because of inflation...will not purchase what they did last week.

And with inflation..there will not be enough product to go around to meet the need of the poor...much less those who work and pay taxes.

I do not need to be highly educated to figure this out. It is already happening.
It has nothing to do with Christianity. It has to do with a secular con job going on on both Christians and Non Christians.
And it will destroy this nation as it is destroying England and Continental Europe...socially, politically, economically, and spiritually.
But dont worry..they have their sexuality about which to be proud.




Taxing people to help the poor is not charity..it is a shakedown.
It is not noble as well...it is Wealth Redistribution..without RISK Taking.

I am not speaking here against helping the poor..I am speaking here of the hidden stealing going on...by government unto the destruction of a nation and people.

Thanks,
Orangetom

I read about two to three chapters last night at work on my break time in Erin Pizzey's book "This Way to the Revolution."

I found it very very interesting how she described the early days of the feminist movement in England. This was back in 1969.

What Eirn describes was a field heavy with women of Marxist, Socialist and even Communist beliefs and also that they did not brook competition for ideas. When they found out that she did not approve of her methods, thinking and non conformity to their positions they wanted to censor her or isolate her from the feminist groups. She was competition for ideas.

As a result of this attempt to isolate her...Erin makes some very interesting statements about competition among women.

If you examine this current administration ..and competition ..you see clearly a very similar pattern in disapproving of competition and those who would challange their ability to default through without dissent ..without questions.

The other thing I found of interest was the women from the socialist, communist side were asking the English women why they were sleeping with their men....for they were "Sleeping with the enemy."

I was a bit stunned by this...an obvious divide and conquer position as is being done by government today...creating bad guys in the subconsciousness of people. Good guys/bad guys...good cop/ bad cop. A Hegelian Dialectic...man made..man created.

It was obvious to me that the socialist communist women were operating from a firmly entrenched dogma of certain assumptions...just as they are doing in these military classes on diversity...where they teach and preach to begin from an assumption that racism is going on. One must assume racism.

One must assume "Victimhood."

When you see this going on so often and across such a wide spectrum of the media, public education, and leadership..it gets very very wolfie. You learn to put a mark on it for the cheapness it is. A way to control people against their will...a way to violate peoples without them being aware of it.

Just as they so often scream "Hitler" to get us to jump. Or the other Hitler words..."Racism," "Sexism", "Homophobia"..."Haters."

It has gotten to where every time I hear these words my radar goes up several notches and I think ..here we go again!! I have learned that it is in reality ..often obscene and pornographic what someone is trying to do to us out here ..without most knowing it is happening.

I will continue to read Erin Pizzey's book on my lunch time.
I will also be watching her videos.


Of interest to me about Erin Pizzey..is that she clearly outlines the Communist/Marxist influence in the feminist movements..back in 1969.
I also note that Warren Farrell..does not cover this angle in his studies on the womens movements. Very interesting.

Must make haste now.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Nixie Nox...

Actually, all the countries that are leading the world have one thing in common, women have pseudo equality. The third world and backward counties all have one thing in common, they don't.

I'll comment on this later when time is more opportune.

Please expand on this for the understanding of the readers out here as to why this is taking place...or conversely not taking place in backward countries.

Thanks,
Orangetom

BTW, for all the women haters, both male and female, who want to force women back into the kitchen, here is some info for you, though I doubt you will ever change your minds.

Also don't forget to read the thread I am compiling on how the 50% divorce rate is a myth. So you can't blame feminism for that either.

As for feminism itself, being blamed for making women unlikely to want to marry:

Believe it or not, Betty Friedan was a romantic. The author of the groundbreaking 1960s treatise “The Feminine Mystique” may have detested certain traditional values, but she clung to the fantasy of heterosexual love and marriage — here’s the key — among equals. In fact, Friedan once said that her tombstone should read: “She helped make women feel better about being women and therefore better able to freely and fully love men” — and yet she had been memorialized by many as anti-male and anti-marriage.

salon.com

Since the 1970s, when more women started going to college and delaying marriage, "marital stability appears to be improving each decade," she writes. For example, about 23% of college graduates who married in the '70s split within 10 years. For those who wed in the '90s, the rate dropped to 16%.

TIME

Thus, we reach an even more dramatic conclusion: That for college educated women who marry after the age of 25 and have established an independent source of income, the divorce rate is only 20 percent!

psych central.com

Of course we can thank all these attacks on feminism and equal rights of women due to lovely and stellar, pure, and virtuous corporations like FOX news. My favorite. The opiate for those needing something to hate.

And then they boohoo why people think there is a conservative war on women.

Fox News is at it again. Yesterday, Dana Perino warned that women should “make better decisions” to avoid being beaten or killed by their abusers and today, Suzanne Venker at Fox News is warning us all that men are retreating from marriage because “men said women are no longer women.” She suggests we all get in touch with our feminine side to remedy this matter post haste. This piece is a follow up to her “war on men” post.

politicusa.com

Right, it is the woman's fault she is getting abused. Alright then.....Here I thought the fad of victim blaming ended in the 80s.

But Venker is pretty good at spreading hate against women. I wonder how much she is paid for it...

"If there's one thing feminists love, it's divorce - they consider it liberating." That's just one of the claims Phyllis Schlafly and her co-author Suzanne Venker make in their new book, The Flipside of Feminism:

pov

The thing is, the war on stay at home mothers, was started by men.

In the same year, an information education officer in the Army Air Forces conjectured that the insidious dependency of the American man on “ ‘Mom’ and her pies” had “killed as many men as a thousand German machine guns.” According to the 1947 best seller “Modern Woman: The Lost Sex,” two-thirds of Americans were neurotic, most of them made so by their mothers.

When we hated mom


Women were never unhappier than they were in the 1950s. Even less happy than women in the 19th century, who had less rights but were held in esteem for their role as mothers.

It is long, long past due for the men to stop blaming women, grow up, stop blaming someone else, and start by supporting your own kind, and not making an enemy of half your species.


The definition of feminism is simple, anyone should have the same choices and capabilities to pursue those choices, regardless of sex. Plain and simple.

Nixie Nox,

BTW, for all the women haters, both male and female, who want to force women back into the kitchen, here is some info for you, though I doubt you will ever change your minds.

LOL LOL LOL Nixie Nox. Are you sure you haven't taken a lesson or two from Al Sharpton and others whom I call "The Usual Suspects??"

More "Victimization Politics...ie...Drama Politics."

Apparently you did not catch on to when I was speaking of just this thing with InTheLight. Now here you are yourself beginning to go down this road. As Long as you have been posting on ATS I would expect something more original from you than more "Victimization Thinking."

Just like politics of today..anyone putting out a dissenting opinion or view is a "Hater." And Of course when we dissent with the feminist views..we automatically by default want to put all women back in the kitchen..barefoot and pregnant. This must be so...as we disagree with the feminist positions. It is today ..we who dissent or disagree who are extremists.

This is very similar to the "Burka Dictum." Under the Burka Dictum women in this country are just an inch away from being forced to wear Burkas. Yes????

More fear mongering ...just like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
It is the best they have...and it is also the best the womens movements have as well.

Once you see it for what it is..it is not original...not intelligent..and not even very well thought out. But it is politic..textbook politic.

Also don't forget to read the thread I am compiling on how the 50% divorce rate is a myth. So you can't blame feminism for that either.

You know Nixie Nox...this looks very good on paper...but I havent seen a real breakdown. Men or males verses females.

I wonder how many women have been married and divorced several times..verses men or males being divorced several times.

I would also like to see numbers on how many women marry or remarry ..and take on someone elses children in an extended family.
Or even single women marrying and then taking on someone else's children...verses males.

Do they even publish such numbers?? I dont know. But I would like to see them .

I am wary of statistics and polls as I know from several people who have taken statistics classes who have told me that you can make statistics read anything you want if you arrange them correctly. I illustrated this in an earlier post about the economists Milton Freedman lecturing on statistics and charts only to state at the end of his speeches that "Peanuts are the best currency."

Believe it or not, Betty Friedan was a romantic. The author of the groundbreaking 1960s treatise “The Feminine Mystique” may have detested certain traditional values, but she clung to the fantasy of heterosexual love and marriage — here’s the key — among equals. In fact, Friedan once said that her tombstone should read: “She helped make women feel better about being women and therefore better able to freely and fully love men” — and yet she had been memorialized by many as anti-male and anti-marriage.

Nixie Nox...Stop...Stop with the nonsense. Once again this looks good on paper..in the laboratory under sterile controlled situations.

Do you even know the material now coming out about Betty Friedan??? About her Bio??

www.writing.upenn.edu...



And further more Nixie Nox...as I pointed out to InTheLight...about women who can take care of themselves...and their children...these women now have the ability or Option, if you prefer, to come to a man for "LOVE" only. Is this in fact what you see todays modern intelligent, educated, savvy, enlightened female doing??? Or do you see her continue to work her way ..even in marriage ..up the economic food chain?? Often foregoing LOVE for economic/social status????. Or put another way...calling economic/social status as if it were LOVE.

I made this basic point to InTheLight and got no reply. It was totally ignored in favor of statistics, surveys and more data. Astonishing!!

The women who also worked and got monies from their exes for their children...they were coming to my friends house...looking for more of what they could get for themselves and their children...social/economic status...without work and without RISKS. What they were not looking at ..was what was missing from my friends life and how they could fill it within a marriage. He figured this out..that the product was not as advertised. Just like many of our leaders today..from both political parties.
But you must have additional informations outside the standard "Victimization/Drama/Burka politics" to understand it for what it really is..not how it is advertised.

Nixie Nox...
This is to me just as dumb as the earlier stuff you posted.

Of course we can thank all these attacks on feminism and equal rights of women due to lovely and stellar, pure, and virtuous corporations like FOX news. My favorite. The opiate for those needing something to hate.

And then they boohoo why people think there is a conservative war on women.

I wouldn't give you two cents for Fox News. I know that Fox ..just like the others is a phony ..one side of a Hegelian Dialectic. Nor would I give you two cents for the Republican Party...they too are not the product advertised in like manner to Fox News. For there are certain Issues and items which Fox News will not cover..as is the same with the other networks. And Fox can be just as tabloid in its own way as the others and I dont like drama queens.

As to the war on women...I dont believe this is possible in an economically affluent nation and people for the reasons I spoke in my prevous posts to InTheLight.

There is no war on women..in this country. It is not possible. There is a war on intellilgent thinking..and it is being and been replaced with tabloid ignorance and drama....ie..censorship.

And reading your posts..you are doing exactly that. Tabloid and drama. No problem with me on this..I make note of it just as I did with InTheLight. You most certainly have the right to carry on as an angry drama queen if you want. But it neither impresses me nor censors me.
As long as you have been on ATS..I would think you better than that. But no problem..Bon Appetit!!

Right, it is the woman's fault she is getting abused. Alright then.....Here I thought the fad of victim blaming ended in the 80s.

But Venker is pretty good at spreading hate against women. I wonder how much she is paid for it...

Oh..no the fad of victim blaming is still going on. It is just hidden and concealed behind censorship techniques..like a new generation and technique of labeling. Words like "Hate" and then concealed and bolstered with drama techniques...emotions.

The thing is, the war on stay at home mothers, was started by men.

Sorry Nixie Nox...more Burka techniques.


I am going to run out of characters so I will continue on the next post...