Feminism & The Downfall Of The Traditional Family

Continued to Nixie Nox and others....

Women were never unhappier than they were in the 1950s. Even less happy than women in the 19th century, who had less rights but were held in esteem for their role as mothers.

It is long, long past due for the men to stop blaming women, grow up, stop blaming someone else, and start by supporting your own kind, and not making an enemy of half your species.


The definition of feminism is simple, anyone should have the same choices and capabilities to pursue those choices, regardless of sex. Plain and simple.

Nixie Nox....you never did answer this part of my previous post concernig this ..and related to your quote above about women more unhappy in the 50s verses in the 19th Century.

Here ..this...

Actually, all the countries that are leading the world have one thing in common, women have pseudo equality. The third world and backward counties all have one thing in common, they don't.

Would be interested to see if you know why there is this kind of disparity between what you call leading countries and backwards countries?? Do you know??

As far as feminism and simplicity of choices.....is this ability to make choices..a sign of equaity taking place verses psuedo equality?? Is there RISK involved??? This is important in equality. Very important ..otherwise...equality is not taking place.

Gotta make haste,
Orangetom

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Orangetom, putting all your one-sided posts aside for now, you still haven't addressed my previous question as to why you believe feminism is the only cause of the downfall of the traditional marriage (while modern educated couples are now rewriting what exactly is a traditional marriage and how it works for them). Is that too much of a risk for you?

InTheLight
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Orangetom, putting all your one-sided posts aside for now, you still haven't addressed my previous question as to why you believe feminism is the only cause of the downfall of the traditional marriage (while modern educated couples are now rewriting what exactly is a traditional marriage and how it works for them). Is that too much of a risk for you?

Why I believe feminism Is the downfall of the traditional marriage is part and parcel of what I have been posting. The women want the men to take on more of their traditional work ..but they are not interested in taking on more of the mens traditional work. They are not interested in that much equality....but only "Their" view and understanding of equalilty.

They are interested in work which will be more tailored to their beliefs and personalities...not to RISK taking or injury.

You were naive enough to speak to me of power and a male dominated society. Yet when I brought it up...that in Power..the males hold nearly all the positions or jobs involving death and maiming . I asked if you were debating here for women and females to be killed off in equality at the same rate as men and males in order to get access to power. No reply on your part.

What you see as male power..is often males taking RISKS for females and family..running touchdowns ..but are never seen or known and NEVER factored in by the feminists.

This is not power InTheLight...it is expendability and disposability to keep the comforts and goods coming. And the feminists ignore this totally and look upon capitalism as a scourage on the earth...in the inner circles they are socialists, Marxists, and also Occult in their religious beliefs. They prefer the blame game as is obvious by your posts as well as those of Nixie Nox. But when you post to someone who dissents your views...you try to put the onus on someone else...but never make comments to debate what they have posted. This fingerprint or index is textbook of socialists and Marxists..in political circles. Even Erin Pizzey referenced this..as they personally went out of their way to discredit her and her attempts to create shelters. She was not buying into the male bashing fingerprint which was going on even back in 1969 in the UK and the Continent...but had not quite arrived on American Shores.
I am very grateful to Erin Pizzey for this history for I have found it no where else..it is overlook for the standard rhetoric of today. Even Warren Farrell does not bring this up on a time line.

Most of the merchandizing in this nation is directed to women and females..then children. The males are last on this pecking order..and their merchadizing is of the type of sports conditioning ...erection pills to run more touchdowns...or goods to provide more and better for their women and families.

No other sex has so much advertising time and space marketed to them as do women while screaming "Im a Victim."
Same fingerprint with the programming. No other sex has so much time alloted through the day for programming as do the women in this country. This is an indicator of access to monies and time both. This cannot be a downtrodden group of victims

However..what this does to women combined with the brainwashing of the victim dictum is show them about Options.

What has happened is that the women over the years have determined that the male is now optional. Just like merchandize and commercialism. While giving commercialism and capitalism a bad name in the voting booth. This too due to propaganda programming ..public school education.

This is what I was showing today in that article concerning the Military and their diversity programming. This programming and brainwashing has now morphed into these brainwashing sessions being applied in the military. They are neither diverse nor intelligent ..but they demonstrate now ...Racism, sexism, anti male bias, and also anti Christian bias.

This is an extension of the Feminist system combined or morphed with the racism template ...and has been going on for a long time in this country in order to get where it is today.

They are now not only going after marriages..but after races and sex and now religions with this uber intelligence and social parasitism. They are looking to overturn the whole of this nation with their blame game...by pre conditioning...brainwashing.

But for now ..this kind of subversion and occult practice must survive in the cloistered enviornment of the military as it also survived in the cloistered enviornment of public schools and college universities. It would not survive out in the free market of ideas. This is also how feminism has survived without dissent and competition.

Eirn Pizzey herself stated that the social marxists told her back in 1969..that in the future the males would be expendable. And this is exactly how it is turning out. The propaganda being put forth in the military proves this is the goal. In particular..this type of political sexism, racism, homophobia, and anti Christianity.

This contrast in how the product is advertised InTheLight ..for those schooled in it...demonstrates the religion and name of the god of the United States Government. I have know this for many many years now. And what is happening is that the government feels now emboldened to sufficiently come out in the open with this dogma which tells of their religion and religious beliefs.

They are no longer representing the people of this nation..but representing their political and religious beliefs as a sovereign..ie..the product is not as advertised or in accordance with their public oath.

This government..both republicans and democrats along with a deceitful media...and public education will use and misuse both sexes to acheive their goal at the expense of the public.
The technique is divide and conquer..to keep the races, sexes, religions, and even sexual orientation at odds with each other...while they are steering all of this for political/religious purposes...and without being seen for what they are doing. This InTheLight...is Occult ...hidden concealed..even esoteric. Known only by a few insiders. But those schooled in it can see parts and parcels of it happening.

This too is part of the downfall of the family InTheLight. And it is for political purposes..ie..religious purposes.

Watching the time I must make haste once again.

Thanks,
Orangetom

For the record, Orangetom, I don't reply to what I deem as nonsense as evidenced in my option to not pick apart your last post or any of your previous posts.

At any rate, you are free to think as you will and so am I and any other poster that joins in. At this point, I feel as if your thoughts are cemented in the past perhaps by childhood programming, or perhaps by choice, whatever it may be, I have no desire to go around in circles with you.

InTheLight
For the record, Orangetom, I don't reply to what I deem as nonsense as evidenced in my option to not pick apart your last post or any of your previous posts.

LOL LOL LOL..ok InTheLight..no problem I understand your postion and knew this even before I posed the question.
Good grief you are so predictable. No problem ...you certainly have that right to be predictable. And thanks for confirming once again...the "Option."

It does not seem to occur to you that other readers out here might find a desire for further explaination on both our parts.



This is one reason I do not like this fellow Sean Hannity for he often cuts off his guests to insert his views. I wanted to hear what his guests had to say ..even if I disagreed with it. Same thing goes for Chris Matthews...same fingerprint. Emotional drama baggage. I wanted to hear what Chris Matthews guests had to say ..even if I disagreed with them.

At any rate, you are free to think as you will and so am I and any other poster that joins in. At this point, I feel as if your thoughts are cemented in the past perhaps by childhood programming, or perhaps by choice, whatever it may be, I have no desire to go around in circles with you.

What you are telling me ..is that you have your beliefs and not only are you not going to rebutt..but you are also sitting on the only one it town. That is pretty much how politics has today de evolved while trying to appear virtuous...moral and ethical.

Any position which cannot survive scrutiny or put another way..the test of time ....is not the product advertised.
This InTheLight is why history and a knowledge of history is important..not defaulting through unquestioned or unchallanged.

Interesting to me that this does not seem to occur neither to you or Nixie Nox or others in the feminist movement while playing blame game politics of divide and conquer...but when asked straight questions ..choose/Option..not to answer or respond.

Cemented in the past. Good Grief InTheLight!!! Surely you jest. This is humor ...Yes??

No desire to go around in circles with me. Well ..that is to be expected as well.

But I will leave you with this piece of history..and not from eons past...but from the last 100 years concerning Marxism and Socialism....Communism...and other dictatorial forms of government or what are also known as "Absolute Power."

Be very careful of what todays education tries to teach you about the nature of a lie and deception ..for it is not always so.

Here concerning a dogma called "Democide."

From Wiki

en.wikipedia.org...


If you go down about three quarters of the way down this article you see this jewel of a statement. And it is a jewel to those who can think for themselves.
Concerning this by R. J. Rummel..PHD.

His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century. According to his figures, six times as many people have died from the actions of people working for governments than have died in battle.

Notice what he is stating...the death toll from Democide is far greater than that from war...death by ones own government.
And this 262 million people he calculates were killed by their own government...was in the last one hundred years..not in eons past...but in times of education, enlightment, illumination and wisdom..wise men running things. Be very careful what you think or are lead to think is education, enlightenment, or illumination.

While people have been killed by their own governments all across the globe and for different reasons...most of these people have been killed off under Marxist/socialist governments...ie..Russia and Communist China..and in the last 100 years.

This puts a very interesting point to what tries to pass for education and knowledge in public schools today. For this is never covered. I have also not heard this taught on Fox News....looking out for you. Often most of the talking points are about "Hitler" but not about what happened under the Communists. And I mean even from so called Conservatives.
They too can be dumb as a box of rocks and I believe their leadership want them to so remain.

And here we have by Erin Pizzey ..speaking of the Communist/Marxist/Socialist in the early days of the feminist movements...working to take over and hijack the movement unto their social agenda. I believe this work still continues.

This clearly indicated by the article of what they are attempting to do in the cloistered enviornment of the military.
This would not survive in the open free market of ideas out here among people left to decide for themselves. It must be carefully protected and seeded ...cultivated until the time to turn it loose on an uneducated and untutored public raised on a diet of television/movies and emotions.

Almost no one I know or have spoken to knows about the concept and understanding of Democide.. even in recent history. You do not have to go back that far in history to detect a lie and deceit.

Must once again make haste InTheLight.
Thanks for your post,
Orangetom

Oh yes divorce went up due to the feminist movement. All those pesky abused wives finally had an out. All those damn whining anti-lipstick women who were being cheated on finally had a way out. All those liberal wives who's husbands abused their kids finally had a way to get those kids safely away... Damn feminists!!

Is this thread serious? As a proud husband of a woman who embodies the definition of a strong woman I can't take this seriously. My wife takes care of our kids WITH me. We do all our parental duties 50/50 and consult each other on everything. She has dreams and aspirations that I admire. She works hard for them but always makes sure our family is a priority JUST like I do. It doesn't matter that I make more money in our relationship. We're equals. Feminism just like anything else has extremists but to label feminism in such a poor way is unfair. The majority of women like my wife give their kids something to truly be proud of. Their mom doesn't give up. She doesn't throw her dreams down and say for the better of my husband and so I can dote on my kids school I'm giving up on my dreams. Nope. She just does it all because she can. This is a dumb thread & sounds like someone wants a betty crocker wife to shut up when she's supposed to! Don't you touch my tools. I'll stop watching TV when i'm good and ready, you shut those damn kids up during my program!! Hey I'm ready for sex, get in the bedroom! Absolute lunacy.

robbystarbuck
Oh yes divorce went up due to the feminist movement. All those pesky abused wives finally had an out. All those damn whining anti-lipstick women who were being cheated on finally had a way out. All those liberal wives who's husbands abused their kids finally had a way to get those kids safely away... Damn feminists!!

Is this thread serious? As a proud husband of a woman who embodies the definition of a strong woman I can't take this seriously. My wife takes care of our kids WITH me. We do all our parental duties 50/50 and consult each other on everything. She has dreams and aspirations that I admire. She works hard for them but always makes sure our family is a priority JUST like I do. It doesn't matter that I make more money in our relationship. We're equals. Feminism just like anything else has extremists but to label feminism in such a poor way is unfair. The majority of women like my wife give their kids something to truly be proud of. Their mom doesn't give up. She doesn't throw her dreams down and say for the better of my husband and so I can dote on my kids school I'm giving up on my dreams. Nope. She just does it all because she can. This is a dumb thread & sounds like someone wants a betty crocker wife to shut up when she's supposed to! Don't you touch my tools. I'll stop watching TV when i'm good and ready, you shut those damn kids up during my program!! Hey I'm ready for sex, get in the bedroom! Absolute lunacy.

Yes, I agree totally with your take on this and, by the way, it is I who say to my husband and son "Leave my tools alone". LOL

Robby

Yes..I agree..Robby...every women out there is being cheated on ...everyone. Therefore by default every man must pay the price and be singled out for "Treatment" while the women ..all of them even the ones not being cheated on can clam "Victim Status" and also change the government for them.
And dont forget, every child out there is being abused as well and only by men. You might want to find out about the nature of abuse...particularly when there is a system in place that no one sees what we are doing!! The business of women abusing their children is beginning to come out in the open today. In years past it was "Assumed" from out of the starting gates that only men were capable of abuse.

Even Erin Pizzey back in the late 1960s was noting that this was not alway so. And In England ..like Canada today..men were thrown out of their houses for just the suspicion of abuse..true or not and by their nations version of social services. They have lost everything. It is becoming so also in Australia. You might want to find out what the suicide rate is among men and males verses females...in equality.

I say this because as so many females look for power or offices of power ...by entitlement politics There is no other greater loss of power than loss of life. I do not see the women out here screaming for loss of female life in equality....or put another way...while doing 50/50. Do you Robby?? Think it through carefully as to what you are thinking or promoting here.

I am happy for you that you have such an relationship with your woman.
However...do some thinking before you post the 50/50 dogma. It does not make good nonsense once you think it through.

How many women do you know or have ever known who will take 50% from a man without looking over at the other 50% and seeing how they can get or control the othere 50%.
I'm telling you Robby..only a male or man can be this dumb because women are way smarter than that. They may only give you 50% and that within a female social belief and expectation..but you will think it is 100%.

I take it that your woman has an insurance policy for which she is paying such that if she passes first..that something you are getting from her while she is here..is protected for you and the children...Yes?? She believes in that much equality ..yes??

She takes on in her 50% more of your traditional male duties and labors..yes??? I say this in addition to the traditional female duties and labors...yes?? She is that strong ..yes??

If she does this..I would say that you are the exception....for most women and females I've known want men and males to take on more of their labors and RISKS...but not the other way around. It is to "appear" to be so ..but not in actuality. Very similar to politics..the apearance of a thing verses the real thing.

This is very similar to the definition and meaning of "legal verses Lawful." Legal being the "appearance " of law..where as Lawful is the "Substance " of law. What the law was intended to accomplish..not the "appearance of law."

This was my point earlier in stating that women do not want a "Sensitive man." They want a man who is sensitive to them.
A big difference.

This was also my point about what is happening in the military...and feminisms contribution to it. It contributes to the appearance of a thing..along with racism...ie.."Victimization." But in the reality it becomes obvious that they are doing the very thing they claim they despise in order to solve a problem they are creating.
They must have racism, sexism, homophobia and anti christianity. And in doing so..discriminate against these people once they are labeled as bad guys and a social problem..in order to solve the social problem in which they have invested so much of the publics time and monies.

And so too the feminists follow this pattern. And when presented with thoughts which differ from them..they remain silent. As if the differing thoughts are not happening. Only their scenerios are happening. This Robby ..is politic.

What goes on with your woman is between you and your woman. It is not a cross section of everything that is happening out here. I am glad for you that you have such an woman. NO problem by me...and that is how you and your woman choose to organize your house. Also no problem by me. I dont tell another how to spend their monies or RISKS. Those are private decisions and should so remain. Neither me or governments need to be interfering in your private decision making.

I dont have a problem with so called strong women. I have a problem with women who are only the "Appearance " of a strong woman and enter an arena and cause confusion to get their desires met...or defaulted over. This too is what government today is doing in order to restructure peoples individual decisions. It has been going on for awhile now and is accelerating. I find this kind of thing to be appalling for it is not liberty..not freedom and not individual responsibility.

And it is obvious to me that they are attempting to default this feminist/racicst nonsense in the military and want to default through on a problem and issue they are themselves fostering and creating. Racism, sexism, Homophobia, and anti Christianity. They are the very essence of the thing they claim to be against.
You are seeing the extreme end of Racism and Feminism both taking place today ..right now in the military.. and bearing fruit for which it was so designed and so long ago. To spread confusion.

And when it is firmly anchored in the Military..they will attempt to bring this confusion out into the mainstream.
And feminism has contributed to and fostered this type of confusion. So too has racism.

They must create bad guys in the public subconsiousness in order to default through on the "Appearance " of a thing to justify thier position. At the same time brook no dissent or questions in an attempt to default through unquestioned and unchallanged...ie..censorship.

This is, today, become a definition of politics. It is not equality.
And it is also, just like politics, not the product advertised.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Nixie Nox and others,

concerning this statement or quote..

Actually, all the countries that are leading the world have one thing in common, women have pseudo equality. The third world and backward counties all have one thing in common, they don't.

This appear to be intelligent and thoughtful..but it ignores the truth about the backward nations..for both males and females.
It also ignores the truth about the Leading countries.

In the leading countries..women can afford to be "Unhappy or even bored. In backward nations...women and men both cannot afford to be bored or unhappy..because the struggle for life is so difficult. But this is never brought out by "Progressive, intelligent, savvy, Illuminated thinkers in the feminist movements.

As an illustration..many years ago when Bill and Hillary were in the White House ...Hillary took a trip to Egypt and then to Lahore, India to attend a womans conference. Chelsea came along..and when they got to Lahore, India...it was reported that many Indian women could not relate to of what Hillary was speaking. Their struggle in India was so difficult and their focus was on their daily struggle with their families and lives that what Hillary spoke about was based on Western women and their economic ease and affluence which was pretty much non applicable to the women of India. These women could not see how anything of which Hillary spoke applied to them and India.
This because of the economic gulf between the two. This economic gulf..also means a political gulf as economics is politics.

Yet in their haste to promote feminist ideas without challange and without dissent/debate ..this is hardly brought out in details for the reader or thinkers among us to understand.
The importance in the so called backwards nations is daily survival..and women and men both work very hard..if they dont they dont make it. Thus women there take as much risk as do the males in equality and for their families.

This is not so in western or economically afluent social structures. But Nixie Nox has it correct in one aspect..it is psuedo Equality. The women of the leading world nations are not interested in real equality...where the women take the risks as do the men. They would rather have psuedo equality and call this equality. Not risk taking...but equality on paper or the "appearance of equality. "

The investment will always been on inequality...to maintain the downtroddened Victim Status. Very much like Racism. You never want to solve racism..ever. For to many will be out of a job and then unable to Shakdown the social structure while enriching themselves in it. SAme thing for feminism. If you solve the inequality problem with something of real equality...to many who are dependent on the appearance of Inequality would be out of a job.
You must have "Victims" and by this silence any opposition or dissent.

One need not be highly educated to see this happening. Nor the tie in of feminism cottage industries to the racism cottage industry in their operating methods.

Orangetom

So, with the thought in my mind of moving onwards and upwards, I posted a link below to an article with great advice of how to attain equality in a marriage...a modern marriage, that is.

Most couples say they prefer an equal partnership, but studies show that few couples live up to their rhetoric. In most marriages, women do an unfair share of household tasks and the majority of child care, regardless of whether they work outside the home or not. Specifically, women do two or three times as much housework as men. Mothers spend 3 to 5 hours actively involved with their children for every hour that fathers spend. Men, on the other hand, have traditionally had more power in decision making.

foreverfamilies.byu.edu...

InTheLight
So, with the thought in my mind of moving onwards and upwards, I posted a link below to an article with great advice of how to attain equality in a marriage...a modern marriage, that is.

Most couples say they prefer an equal partnership, but studies show that few couples live up to their rhetoric. In most marriages, women do an unfair share of household tasks and the majority of child care, regardless of whether they work outside the home or not. Specifically, women do two or three times as much housework as men. Mothers spend 3 to 5 hours actively involved with their children for every hour that fathers spend. Men, on the other hand, have traditionally had more power in decision making.

foreverfamilies.byu.edu...

LOL LOL LOL...InTheLight...you just do not have the capacity to get it or understand outside of your pat and fixed politic.

You only present, as expected, only half the picture and then try to present it as if it is the only picture and understanding out here.

More power in decision making??? Do women work and earn monies and make decisions as do most males or men out here while turning most of their moneys over to the men for their decision making in how it is spent..by default??

The women in this country are the prime decision makers of how the monies are spent on both big ticket items as well as small ticket items....all across the board.

They do not necessarily take RISKS to earn the monies..but they do determine how it is spent. That is alot of power InTheLight. Power without RISK taking.

The men occupy almost all of the death occupations..high RISK occupations and turn over most of their monies to their women for this very decision making.
As I asked before..are you debating here for the women to work in the death occupations and then turn over most of their monies for the men to spend as the men decide?? Do you personally believe in that much equality?? Or do you believe in women being able to choose their occupations to reflect their belief systems/personalities..without RISK and without hardship??? And then call that equality!!

You are way off base here. You only show barely half of the picture and a tainted one at that.

To both you and the readers out here..take a close look at your post InTheLight.

You are debating for men to take on more of the womans work in the household..or what is called traditional womens labor or chores. As If these are supremely difficult or RISKY!!!??

But lets take a look at what is not in your post.

Let us take a look at what is Occult...hidden and concealed..not presented to the readers to see, hear, and understand.

You are debating for equality and for the men to take on more of the traditional womens labors and chores. You are not debating in equaity for a woman to take on more of a man's traditional labors and chores. Particularly since much of a man's traditional labors or chores might involve danger...injury, RISK...maiming.uncomfortable conditions..weather hazards etc etc etc. Not only on the mans job or work occupation ..but off it at home as well.

You are so obviously doing this so one sided and think it is the apex of morality and decency. It is none of these.

I remember having two teenaged girls here who had bought into the feminist lines lock stock and barrel..but never thought it through. Nor had their mother ever educated them in reality out here..only Idealism.
I caught them in the feminist selling point that "women and females of today are doing everything that the men and males are doing and doing a better job of it." They agreed.

I proceeded to give them an pnuematic cutting machine and told them to cut a piece of flat steel bar for a project on which I was working. I demonstrated it for them and as it shot hot sparks about 15 feet across the garage...the quickly declared...

"I'm not doing that!!!"

As soon as the going got what they perceived as rough and tough..danger/RISK was involved ..they backed out.

It works well as a slogan and talking points ...but not in reality.

Women...in equality are not looking to take on more of a males or man's traditional labors or RISKS...but it is ok if a man relieves them of more of their traditional labors and RISKS.

They are not interested in equality but in Options.

I also know this because I have had a steady batch of women over the years not only deciding that vacuum cleaning is good for me and equal..but they also want me to replace their vacuum cleaner belts. They should in fact be knowledgeable and sufficient to maintain their own vacuum cleaner belts. Also to replace the string in their electric and gas weedeaters when they wind up with a bird nest in them.

I can wash clothes..as I said...vacuum..even maintain a washer and dryer..washing machine vacuum cleaner...et al. I dont make it a habit to come to a woman for these skills because deep down I know they are not interested in how these machines work. They just want to push the buttons and things happen. Just like swiping a card or pushing a speed dial..things happen..by entitlement. Because they are women and females.

In short . I am not disposable or expendable for them or their children to keep the gadgets going for them. That would be inequality. I dont feel like running touchdowns for them in this arena. Children or no children.

It makes me feel like they are " Using me!!!" so that they never have to commit to the solutions to their own problems and responsibilities. I know this because they do not ask me how it is done. They just say..can you fix this for me. The standard touchdown clue and cue.

NOnetheless...InTheLight..you do not see for yourself how provincial your position is in a world of "self Sufficient" "Independent women" who are running things by default and guilt manipulations.

For you see InTheLight...being able to do these things themselves..and not depend on a man for them..is power. Amazingly you seem to totally miss out on this point.

And conversely ..a man should be able to also do many of the traditional womens chores and labors so as not to be dependent on them...or use/misuse guilt manipulations.
I have little use or respect for a man who cannot do thusly. And I have known alot of them. Into their 30s and 40s ..they do not realize how breast fed they are.

Like many men I enjoy coming to the breast on occasion..but I have no illusions about staying there as a career. First off..most women of any character would not want a man on her breast all day and night...high maintenance.

What you are promoting here InTheLight is for a man to underwrite more of a womans traditional maintenance costs...but not the other way around.

Hence my statement in a previous post about men and males understanding was that more was expected and even demanded of them by women through the feminist positions ..but the men and males were not getting more for their efforts. It was in fact a one way thing.

And you, InTheLight, only show and demonstrate a one way thing and guilt politics. Just like Victimization politics.

Must make haste now.
Thanks for your post,
Orangetom

reply to post by orangetom1999


Orangetom, you really need to start read the articles I post more than once, so as to overcome those thoughtless tangents. Moving forward now. LOL

I remain,
In The Light.

InTheLight
reply to post by orangetom1999

 

Orangetom, you really need to start read the articles I post more than once, so as to overcome those thoughtless tangents. Moving forward now. LOL


InTheLight,

I've read those articles not only yours but others as well. And they all have one clear identifying fingerprint. They start from and assume that the women are doing so much and RISKING so much that they need men to take on more of their traditional chores. The men must do this "in addition to" doing the men's traditional chores or labors or RISKS. The women are seeking to lower their RISKS and vulnurabilities while putting more in the wagon for the men to pull for them. They are not offering the men more or reducing the RISKS for the men.

I can see vulnurabilities in your posts as well as Nixie Nox.. in both of you..your hesitation to respond to what I post...and then you return to this kind of stock position for which you think is your strong suit and that no male can see what is on the other side or the fip side of the coin.

Most of them cannot..they have the rescue me complex and to much sports conditioning to run touchdowns...even if it means pulling a wagon in which everyone is putting more stuff in it for them to pull ..but they themselves. They are to busy pulling. So many men and males think this is their natural default setting ..pulling wagons while someone else puts more stuff in it for them to pull.

I am getting ready to go to work now and will once again be down in a reactor..around the reactor coolant pumps. Do you want to walk a mile in my shoes?? This in addition to doing your traditional work???

Do you think for one minute that the women I see...are interested in the RISKS I take in earning my monies when I am spending it on them or their children?? Or is this to be taken for granted in a female social context only??? By default!!

This is a concept never brought out by the feminists while attempting to stand on what they think is their strong suit. I dont think so.

For you see InTheLight...a strong woman would instinctively know and understand this concept about the man in her life. You and Nixie Nox do not see to even be want to get anywhere near it.

Hence I speak of male expendability and disposability. Males to be seen and not heard.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom

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Orangetom, my nephew is a nuclear engineer and continually explains how safe it is, so don't pull that dangerous work crap with me. The only redundancy and/or extinction I see for women and men clinging on to traditional gender roles, that no longer work in this modern age, are the ones that don't put every member of the family in a position of equality and respect, and I for one will be glad to see those types of men and women fade away into oblivion.

InTheLight,

First things first. Thank you for firming up my claim in previous posts about expendability and disposability of certain peoples.
Thank you for validating the premise I was attempting to extablish. Very good of you to confirm that to which I was attempting to describe in previous posts.

The only redundancy and or extinction I see for women and men clinging on to traditional gender roles, that no longer work in this modern age, are the ones that don't put every member of the family in a position of equality and respect, and I for one will be glad to see those types of men and women fade away into oblivion.

Thinking people know that this kind of expendability and disposability of others is in a similar vein to what this uber intelligent person named Randi Rhodes said on her program in self Justification when election returns came in during the early part of an election in some of the middle America states. They were for the other political party than the one in which she was backing. Her Uber intelligent response was to the effect that..."No one lives there."

She, for her biases was willing to dismiss everyone and anyone who did not fit her Uber Intelligent beliefs ..ie..bias.
Disposability and Expendability. This kind of belief and practice is not leadership.

Not smart but very telling to those who have the knowledge and ability to think further than a sound bite.

Todays non traditional gender roles work well ..or so many think ..in an economically affluent social structure. I say this because this is the only structure where this can survive.
In a non affluent economy ..todays non traditional gender roles will not work.

Are there any gender studies being done on the gender roles in the Hurricane Sandy locations?? Or other locations where economic standards have gone into the tank??

Only the "False" economic lens of affluence can dumb people down sufficient to lose sight of this lesson from history...about roles which people tend to take for granted. It is not so...and history bears this out..over and over and over again..as nations and civilizations come and go.



Now ...InTheLight..as to your nephew. Think this through very very very carefully.

Orangetom, my nephew is a nuclear engineer and continually explains how safe it is, so don't pull that dangerous work crap with me.

You want to explain this to the people living in Japan?? Near and around Fukashima?? You do realize that they had engineers there ..correct??? They actually have engineers in Japan..in many businesses and industries..yes??

Nuclear power is indeed very safe..until something bad happens. I take it your nephew spends alot of time down in the reactors themselves?? Wearing dosimetry and around reactor coolant pumps?? Or does your nephew spend most of his time in the engineering floors writing proceedures and doing research??
While others take the RISKS.

Anyone with experience knows that lots of things are safe..until they go bad. What on earth are you and your nephew possibly thinking here.

For I know that your nephew is using the standard M1A selling point of the nuclear power industry.

Ever been in a frisker when the alarm goes off?? Meaning you are or your clothes are contaminated??

They have a special shower room here just for decontamination...where you scrub down and the water specially collected and disposed of. If you cannot be decontaminated sufficiently by a normal shower...you are heavily scrubbed down and then frisked again. And I mean heavily scrubbed down...till you are raw and red...because it is so safe.

And it can get more extreme than that.

I can read the papers and know automatically something about the Japanese city..Fukashima..as well as surrounding cities and towns. They do not want to publically release any informations on how many people there have internal contamination...where they have breathed it in internally. At least external contamination for the most part can be scrubbed off...albeit..sometimes by very very heavy and harsh scrubbing.
Internal contamination ..you must have time for your body to purge it out by normal bodily functions. For your body to flush the contamination out by natural processes.

Nuclear energy is indeed very safe..until something goes wrong.

Your car is very safe..too..until something goes wrong. Your home too.

Suggest too you learn to question what is an "Expert" and adjust your thinking accordingly.


You see..InTheLight..I have also worked on Ocean Liners for many years. Particularly when they would come in this shipyard for the Thanksgiving and Christmas cruises. They would come in early for repairs and refit just before these seasonal cruises.

This cured me of ever wanting to go out on an Ocean Liner Cruise. What has happened over the years in the Ocean Liner Industry has only proven my concerns to be correct.

For you see InTheLight...Ocean Liners too have engineers on them as well.
And they are very very safe..until something goes wrong.

Hmmmmm...was that not a historical selling point..too..about the White Star Lines ship..."Titanic??" How safe and unsinkable it was??

Suggest very strongly you learn to do some thinking and experience away from your keyboard before making such statements...on the basis of what you think is an "Expert."
Real genuine RISK Taking..InTheLight...teaches you to think and know instinctively outside the box of most of what passes for intelligence and emotions today...even much of Excellence.
You stop being impressed by it.

Even NASA...sending up the Space Shuttle..so many times..over and over and over. It got to be routine..until the Challanger incident sobered up so many Americans. And NASA was full of Experts and Engineers. It still is. They were so sure of themselves they decided to put a public school teacher up there because it became so routine and was such good Public Relations. Wow!!!

For I have learned to take them with a huge shaker of "Salt."
That includes "Experts" in the arena of Studies, Surveys, and Polls.

Hope this helps some of the readers out here. I don't think it will help you..until you get stuck in an event and have to rely on "Experts."

Thanks,
Orangetom

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I was only firming up my previously linked studies and my points, not yours, which yours were specifically targetting certain men and their behaviours as victims due to feministic goals (attainment of progress). You, as usual, missed my meaning, in which, certain people (men and women) who cling on to outdated beliefs and behaviours that work for their unchecked or uncorrected emotional needs and then go into a relationship with this baggage (whether realized or not) are setting themselves and whomever else is involved, for a fall.

As for the nuclear plant safety or non-safety issue, I thought we were discussing a nuclear plant here in the West. Are you saying you work at one of the plants at Fukushima?


"A tradition without intelligence is not worth having". T.S. Eliot

InTheLight
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I was only firming up my previously linked studies and my points, not yours, which yours were specifically targetting certain men and their behaviours as victims due to feministic goals (attainment of progress). You, as usual, missed my meaning, in which, certain people (men and women) who cling on to outdated beliefs and behaviours that work for their unchecked or uncorrected emotional needs and then go into a relationship with this baggage (whether realized or not) are setting themselves and whomever else is involved, for a fall.

As for the nuclear plant safety or non-safety issue, I thought we were discussing a nuclear plant here in the West. Are you saying you work at one of the plants at Fukushima?

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"A tradition without intelligence is not worth having". T.S. Eliot

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InTheLight,

I did not miss your meaning at all. I understood from the beginning that you were only trying to firm up your positions..or points.

I did note that you did not have all the cards in the deck which is to be expected in feminist theology. So too does Dr. Warren Farrell state as do others who have been in the feminist movements but know a much bigger picture than what the feminists themselves are want to let the public know..for political reasons.

What you do not realize InTheLight..is that you can only afford your beliefs in a politically economic and affluent social structure. If the economic structure collapses for any reason...the affluence and your beliefs are suddenly outdated...obsolete.
You can only afford them in a social structure where you do not need to take RISKS..but can hand these RISKS off to someone elses to handle for you. This is the nature of "Entitlement" beliefs. They give a rose coloured belief system based on ignoring those who take RISKS to put the goods and services out here which support your belief system without you knowing or realizing how it got that much affluence.

History is a prime indicator of this affluence and also how quickly the affluence can disappear. Try Inflation.


I know that this is why history is such a poorly taught subject today and for political reasons. Someone out here never wants history and the facts of history to interfere with thinking...or preferably ..non thinking..ie..emoting.




As to Fukashima...

Anyone in industry..knows that there is a common safety network all across this nation and the world. A network in which safety issues can be known or communicated and thought through to improve safety. This is true also for the nuclear industry..stateside as well as world wide. Engineers are hooked up to this safety network...nuclear as well as non nuclear.

The Nuclear industry has certain arenas/informations which are not available to the ordinary public for security reasons. Engineers know of this system.

However...anyone in the nuclear business who is trained in radiation and contamination exposure can read any newspaper on Fukashima and see what is not there...only the propaganda for public disclosure..so as not to panic the public.

What you do not often see spoken about from the beginning is radiation counts in numbers..and also contamination levels in numbers.

You do hear fear mongering by the media...but no real counts given. This is politics.

When you handle radioactive/contaminated material...there are tags on them and surveys taken with measuring equipment. These exposure numbers are posted on these tags.
In news releases these numbers are mostly missing. Once again..politics.

I keep trying to telling you about what is missing from your posts. You do not seem to comprehend this kind of thinking and instead substitue feminist religious dogma.

This kind of thinking teaches one to look into the darkness and shadows. To often see what is not there...or not desired that people have the ability to see. Experience in RISK Taking..teaches one this kind of thinking closely..intimately.

As a woman I would expect you to be able to comprehend this kind of thinking as women females are often more attuned to this kind of Occult concealment...subtilty.

This principle of Occult or hidden concealment applies to more than just girl stuff beliefs and emotions. To much much more.

What is very interesting about this network..is that almost no informations about Fukashima is being disseminated within this network..to other Engineers. Our Engineers here are not receiving much of details about this accident. There is a type of blackout. But they too..as myself know that this is not accidental...but politically derived. Just like many of the Feminist positions. A black out on what they do not want the public to know or think. Censorship is another word for it.

And this is not the first nuclear accident in Japan where this kind of blackout has occurred. There have been others.

But due to our training and experience..and knowledge of certain nuclear histories...not generally known by the public...we can see inside the shadows...at what is missing from the news and informations released to the public. It is not difficult once you know for what to look...and that it is missing.

Understand now?? It is the same with the Ocean Liners of which I spoke.
I can do the same with the Feminist's rationale.
I can do the same with speeches of politicians..see certain things and avenues of which they are not want to speak or be known by people.
You just have to train yourself to think outside the box.
You also realize that they are not speaking to people who know about RISK but to people who believe themselves safe and secure in their ignorance of how things get done or the shelves filled...to economic affluence.
For they like and need people who are ignorant...not self sufficient but dependent on Drama..emotions and entitlement beliefs. For this strengthens government positions and government dependency...through fear mongering...

The Burka dictum. The Victim Dictum..racism..et al...and all..cultivated with predictability...by "The Usual Suspects" using and misusing the same talking points.

And you InTheLight .do the same thing...even with emotions when you should stick to disciplines...knowledge..wisdom.
Your choice..but I note it often for it being missing from your posts.
I am not impressed with such drama..and can spot it quickly ..even when our leaders try to parasite off it and onto the backs of the public.

This is what years and years of this kind of work have taught me...to be very selective about the people with whom I must needs closely work. Because I can see what is missing.

I am not better than other people because of this ability. At times, I can assure you, it seems more of a curse.

Thank you for your post,
Orangetom

Good grief Orangetom! Nevermind reading my posts and linked articles, re-read what you post, then with a great deal of luck you may see the flaws within your weak attempt at skirting around the issues you seem to have with equality for women. Why haven't you replied to the last male poster's opinion on this topic?

InTheLight,

I have to tell you this because as I left the Orange Place..Home Depot ...it occurred to me that you might enjoy the tale of what just happened to me at that business establishment.

I was exchanging two of the 5 gallon propane cylinders for my gas grills at Home Depot for two fresh ones. I went inside and spoke to the woman at the cash register. She rang me up for the total.

While she was ringing me up...a man, woman and child were in the lane across from me. The woman was dressed in textbook Arab dress..from head to toe. Her face covered. This dress was all black with the veil. The man was dressed as a westerner.

Now the woman ringing me up could not hide her expression on her face..one of horror. Her whole countenance just changed just as if someone had thrown a switch.

Now....

Do I want my woman or women dressed thusly..No I do not.

I am not that insecure.

At the same time I do not want to be around a woman who dresses like she is going about hanging her wares out for all to see. When I note this I ask myself where this woman's real skills and talents life. I also know it is not difficult to get a woman to take off her clothes. It is much more difficult as well as valuable to offer up real life skills and commitments..verses taking off her clothes. I've been down this road with several women over the years before I figured out the pattern.

But nonetheless the cashiers expression was priceless. I am also not interested in her fears and insecurities. I also do not believe she is on the verge of being forced into wearing a burka...or any such headress..attire.

How a man or woman arrange their affairs between themselves is none of my business.




Now ..on the other hand..and while I dont ordinarily hang out my laundry..I will share this other tale with you and the readers out here.

The woman I am seeing...has her daughter back home. Divorced for both of them. Her daughter has brought home her two children to stay with grandma. Things are kind of expensive out there on the street.

But what has happened now is that this series of events has put a strain on grandmas resources. The electric hot water heater has gone on the fritz and started leaking. She asked me about it..and I went over and valved it off as well as turned off the circuit breaker feeding power to it. I drained it to help contain the leak..with a garden hose and out into the yard.

I told her to temporarily ...heat water on the stove as in the olde days in a large pan while she got someone to change out the hot water heater for her.

My mistake is that she knows I replaced my own electric hot water heater some months ago when it was leaking..in like manner to hers.

She is looking to me to "Flashdance " her through this hurdle or hardship...as it is obvious that I know how to do it and she does not. She also does not have the monies to get one replaced professionally by someone else as she is now supporting her daughter and grandchildren.

She became irate when I told her no..I did not want to do it in addition to working 12 hour shifts and also helping out my parents on the weekends and sometimes during the week.
That she needed to hire someone else out to do it for her.

I am not interested in "Flashdancing " her or the children through this....in addition to doing my normal work and obligations.

Now...I let them use my shower or bathtub ...but this arrangement is going sour with her and the children...as time goes on. She would rather have her own systems working and I understand that.

Now..what do you think..should I lay my head on the railroad tracks for her and the children.."In Addition to" doing my regular work?? Even in addition to doing my regular work and taking care of my home and parents house as well ??

Should I "Flashdance " her and the children out of a sense of social guilt or guilt programming..to rescue them..even at the risk of my sleep and effeciencey with my fellow workers ..their safety as well as mine with a minimum of sleep.. in the middle of the night as we go about our jobs..remember...12 hour nights ???

Is she going to alter her ..her daughters and grandchildrens sleep patterns..beliefs and expectations as I work on the water heater in the middle of the night so as not to get to far off my sleep/rest schedule ..in addition to my regular work and obligations?? I doubt it. She wants me to run her and the grandchildrens day shift schedule "In Addition to" running my grave yard shift schedule. That would be to much commitment for them to alter their schedules and outside the the natural defaulted comfort zone. It is much easier to get someone else to do it..socially and ethically...to expect to default through...socially.

In otherwords..are we...as males and men...in particular me... expendable and disposable for this woman ..her children and grand children????

I say no...she should in Equality be taking care of this for herself and her children/grandchildren..not me.
It is her responsiblity not mine.

Also she was no where around when I was having problems with my hot water heater...some months ago. She was busy supporting her daughter and grandchildren. And I understand that as well.


Can we justify anything and everything and on anyone else for herself and the children/grandchildren???

What do you think?? You know...dear Abby ..et al!!

Thanks,
Orangetom

I'm not going to play Dear Abby here, sorry, but since I don't have her version of events, I would be unable, in any event, to offer a fair opinion. The only reason I'm posting on this thread is to dispel the misguided notion that feminism is solely responsible for the downfall of the traditional marriage. I believe I have posted studies and information as to some of the factors that feed into this phenomenon and societal trendf, although I left out religion (a biggie).

Action expresses priorities. Mahatma Gandhi