Alien Types...?

I agree with you, that some kind of aliens ARE in spaceships in the space and some other can teleport and do all kinds of freaky stuff (that is for the benevolent, lovin aliens)

"The Galactic Federation is a union of many beings from many planetary sources, that have come together, in order to help many of the planets, such as Earth, raise in its Ascension process and to aid its inhabitants in this Ascension process. They travel great distances, many Light years, upon what you would call Light ships, star vehicles, mothercraft, in order to send Light, knowledge, information to the planet, to aid by their loving control, ( perhaps, at times to heal the Earth�s structure, so that earthquakes do not occur so severely, or your great thunderstorms, do not create great loss of life). They are of course, limited by what you would call the First Agenda - that they must not interfere, too frequently, in the culture of the planet -

The greys, the reptilians and all the aliens from the dark forces are not enough evoluated, they are closer to 3D...they also live in caverns where they hide from light.

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Originally posted by Amelia
I agree with you, that some kind of aliens ARE in spaceships in the space and some other can teleport and do all kinds of freaky stuff (that is for the benevolent, lovin aliens)
The greys, the reptilians and all the aliens from the dark forces are not enough evoluated, they are closer to 3D...they also live in caverns where they hide from light.

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Would you like to take a search using your search engine on the keywords of my comments to you marked with "�" ?

o.k...I will search but that is the kinda of language that i don't really understand because I'm french and technical words like that in english are hard for me to understand! I like to keep it simple...I will do it JUST FOR YOU, I would prefer a "link"

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Originally posted by Amelia

Would you like to take a search using your search engine on the keywords of my comments to you marked with "�" ?

o.k...I will search but that is the kinda of language that i don't really understand because I'm french and technical words like that in english are hard for me to understand! I like to keep it simple...I will do it JUST FOR YOU, I would prefer a "link"

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

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Originally posted by Amelia
I agree with you, that some kind of aliens ARE in spaceships in the space and some other can teleport and do all kinds of freaky stuff (that is for the benevolent, lovin aliens)

The greys, the reptilians and all the aliens from the dark forces are not enough evoluated, they are closer to 3D...they also live in caverns where they hide from light.

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Amelia,

I agree that the Greys, Praying Mantis/Insectians, Reptilians, Nordics and Hybrids are all in the same, self-serving, dark alliance.

But I remain skeptical about any physical aliens reported thus far (be they good, bad or indifferent), having the ability to teleport their bodies and their spacecraft.

I believe that the purported teleportation ability of aliens is a deception.



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Yeah well, maybe they don't exist, but a lot of channelers are able to contact them....Do I feel stupid to beleive something like that...yes...but in a way I feel it makes sens, there cannot be only BAD aliens...why all aliens have to be like us....we don't know anything but I've searched a lot of channeled infos, maybe it's crap, maybe not...

There are many evolutionary levels. That Earth scientists have not found physical life in the remaining worlds of our Solar system is due to Earth being the only planet where life unfolds in such dense levels. Other worlds do have life, but in finer and subtler bodies, which impedes the perception and visibility at the level of the apparatuses and technological systems with which you count on. Also, dimensions of a higher level to the ones of this planet cannot be contacted with the eyes of the flesh. Life there passes unnoticed to you and, when you try to know this with your scientific apparatuses, it is as if you want to photograph smoke. (The worlds you see in the Third Dimension are like the "shells" left by worlds already opened to levels of superior life.)

They are not like us, that's it! They are not in our dimension.....

Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Originally posted by Amelia
Yeah well, maybe they don't exist, but a lot of channelers are able to contact them...

That is exactly my point Amelia!

They are channeling them, not physically meeting them!

Which means that they are communicating with alien discarnates/spirits, not with physical aliens!

Experience has taught me that, contrary to New Age doctrine, one cannot channel a physical person, alien or otherwise. Spirits can imitate a physical person's personality, form and even his voice, but unless that incarnate person actually leaves the flesh and enters The Light, no one in the flesh can channel him directly.

Here is a related example...

When people hear their own voice in their head, it is not their "Higher Self" talking; it is produced by one or more discarnates who hopefully are trying to offer good guidance and/or insight to that incarnate person.

If one cannot channel a physical person then the only logical conclusion is that when people channel aliens, they are actually channeling alien spirits and not incarnate Zetan-aliens in physical spacecraft.



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I find it odd that we break down these topics into something (at least in regards to aliens) as trivial as good and evil. Why is it that we attach human qualities to things we have little understanding of? Especially with a topic as speculative (in my mind) as race types for aliens.
Not to seem like an a$$, but all the information thrown around in this thread seems a bit fantastic. I mean, discussion is discussion but I wish I knew where you guys were getting all this from.

Mainly info regarding 'they greys' 'reptilians' and 'nordics'. I've read a bit up on these before but it all sounded like fiction. The nordic idea I could maybe accept on some level, and even 'the greys' but the reptilian thing is a bit too much IMO.
Also this theory of being afraid of light...That just doesn't make sense too me in many different ways.

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Originally posted by voiceless
I find it odd that we break down these topics into something (at least in regards to aliens) as trivial as good and evil.

It is always a good idea to judge people, alien or otherwise, by their actions that are reported by credible witnesses and little else. Thousands of people have reported that the Greys are using them for breeding and medical experimentation, among other things. Documented cases of human dissection have also been reported.

If we want to survive as a race it might be a good idea to learn from these eyewitness testimonies.

Indeed, if we are truly wise, we ignore all the propaganda and only go by how the aliens apply The Golden Rule, if they do at all. This cuts through all the BS and gets to the heart of the matter as to the character of who were are dealing with.

Originally posted by voiceless
Not to seem like an a$$, but all the information thrown around in this thread seems a bit fantastic. I mean, discussion is discussion but I wish I knew where you guys were getting all this from.

O.k...so it's fantastic!!! What is fantastic???? What is real and what's not...Like u say I'm some kind of insane!
Any way, I understand what u mean
So what is NOT fantastic to you...we are talking about ALIEN TYPES here...if u don't want to learn about "fantastic" what's the point o discuss it! We give opinions...makes some reasearches than u can say it's all fantastic

Ameliaxxxxxx

The idea of aliens is not something that is all that absurd anymore. I think there is ample evidence to prove that. I was just trying to gather whether or not the discussion here was based on some form of information or simply speculative discussion. And, as it appears, it's a little bit of both.

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Originally posted by voiceless
I find it odd that we break down these topics into something (at least in regards to aliens) as trivial as good and evil. Why is it that we attach human qualities to things we have little understanding of? Especially with a topic as speculative (in my mind) as race types for aliens.
Not to seem like an a$$, but all the information thrown around in this thread seems a bit fantastic. I mean, discussion is discussion but I wish I knew where you guys were getting all this from.

I've got my infos from the Lacerta File, strictly from an alien because what would a human being know about this? Nothing. I deliberately rehect any information written by those smarta$$ humans because they mean nothing...

Absolutely. In order to become technologically advanced, one usually downplays spiritual development. Our own society currently reflects this downward trend of morality. Despite greater awareness, people as a whole on this planet are much less spiritually principled now than the 1950s. Technology greatly increasing since that time played a key role in the erosion of society and spiritual values in general.

You know, to know the value of peace, sometimes you must war? Some of the greatest spiritual masters, like Krishna, were also great warriors. Life is to experience and learn lessons, and a species will only know peace, when it has learnt what is war.

How do you expect a civilization to become peaceful, enlightened and at one with nature, when it has to rely upon it to survive? How do you expect a civilization to practice spirituality when first it has to learn to survive?

We only start to become spiritual when we realise the inadequacy of logic. Science is like the ultimate koan, it leads us directly to the path of spirituality: Intelligence is the first step on the ladder to knowledge and knowledge is the path to wisdom, and in wisdom you ascend into enlightenment.

No science and technology is not a evil. Is the cure to cancer evil? Is the technology to become completely economically independent with free-energy, evil? Is it evil to travel around space, exploring the universe? Is it evil to protect the Earth from space? Is it evil to give a blind man eyes, or a man with a missing limb, a limb?

In todays society, technology has helped us come together into a global social organism. Information travels much faster, and we learn from each other experiences. If it was not for the information age, none of us would have had a clue how to become spiritual or what was happening in our world.

It is not technology that causes us to degenerate, it is our own state of mind, our consciousness. In same way Jesus's teachings have not caused us to degenerate, even though organized religions have used it create an industry of power. Technology, like our senses, is a tool, at our disposal, on our never-ending quest to experience the fullness of life. It is not the tools we should be blaming; it is our intention.

To say that there are no advanced benevolent beings is ignorance. The reason that there are no benevolent beings abducting, experimenting and mutilating people, is because they are benevolent. The reason they are keeping quiet, is because they are benevolent.

We, as a species, have a universal right to choose our own destiny. The hostile aliens factions have also not forced us to accept them. We have accepted them ourselves. We have chosen to be blind. It is our choice. Why should other beings in the universe, or even god, be held accountable for what we choose?

Originally posted by Yasuhiko23
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But, how do we know where they come from? I read that they are from the orian star system. o.0

Is it then useful to say it again? There simply is no Orion (or orian...) star system, because Orion is not a star, it is a constellation. Orion holds several stars, possibly several star systems then.

Deny ignorance.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
To say that there are no advanced benevolent beings is ignorance. The reason that there are no benevolent beings abducting, experimenting and mutilating people, is because they are benevolent. The reason they are keeping quiet, is because they are benevolent.

I agree that those who strive to live by The Golden Rule would not kidnap people against their will and for the wrong reasons. But I don't agree that contact has been made with technologically advanced aliens who are on a spiritual path. Does the latter exist somewhere in the Universe? Possibly but not probably, for the reasons I stated earlier in this thread.

Technology is a tool for good or evil. The problem is focus in developing that technology. In doing so, spirituality usually falls to the wayside and SCIENCE BECOMES GOD. That is the problem.

The Zetan-Greys are the quintessential example of high-technology and spiritual indifference. They do not follow the precepts of The Golden Rule; they abduct many people from this planet for long-term breeding programs, medical experimentation, slavery, to use their glandular extracts as vitamin supplements, and to dissect their bodies in ways that leads one to believe that the victims are kept alive for as long as possible during the procedure.

In order to convince me that there are spiritual aliens out there in the physical sense that are of high technology and who also are of the service to others (STO) focus, as opposed to the service to self (STS) focus, I'd have to see some reoccurring testimonial evidence supportive of it.

To say that the path of Intellect/Technology does not lead to spiritually indifferent, morally apathetic people has yet to be proven. No matter how much we wish it to be so, the vast majority of abductee testimonial evidence points to the Zetan races (the Greys, Reptilians, Insectians, Hybrids and Nordics) not being in a benevolent "Galactic Confederation" like Star Trek's fictitious "Federation of Planets." Instead, they appear to form an empire whose purpose is to subjugate and exploit us and our planet (and probably other planets and peoples as well) for their own selfish purposes.

If the emperor has no clothes, then he has no clothes. When there is evidence to support the idea that high tech spiritual aliens exist in the flesh, I will be the first to openly acknowledge it.

All aliens are actually a single race. They are known as petroleums. They are a complex petrocarbon lifeform capable of changing shape, densty, and structure at will. They are here to force us to awnser for our crime of genocide against thier less evovled cousins who we humans callously refine into fuels.
I know this as I have been in empathic and digitelepathic contact with them since childhood.

Don't believe me?
Prove me wrong.

Does the latter exist somewhere in the Universe? Possibly but not probably, for the reasons I stated earlier in this thread.

How can you say it is not probable. You only have a few samples out of a possible infinite races, and with little but circumstantial evidence for the few.

Technology is a tool for good or evil. The problem is focus in developing that technology. In doing so, spirituality usually falls to the wayside and SCIENCE BECOMES GOD. That is the problem.

I was a scientist and it lead me to become a spiritualist. I did not worship it as God, because I evolved in my thinking. If I was not a scientist, I would not have become a spiritualist. Simiarily, a civilization evolves in it's own thinking. Look at our own, how many lightworkers, spiritualists, indigo children, seers and quantum physicists are becoming spiritual.
You do not have to live in a cave or dwell in trees to be spiritual.

In order to convince me that there are spiritual aliens out there in the physical sense that are of high technology and who also are of the service to others (STO) focus, as opposed to the service to self (STS) focus, I'd have to see some reoccurring testimonial evidence supportive of it.

Well, again, the fact that there are possible infinite races in the universe, and we have only encountered a few, is supportive enough. I would rather not be prejudiced. That is not being spiritual.

Also, the accounts of angelic or light beings or the Pleadians, are not benevolent? There is a lot of testimonial evidence for the latter.

If the emperor has no clothes, then he has no clothes. When there is evidence to support the idea that high tech spiritual aliens exist in the flesh, I will be the first to openly acknowledge it.

1. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of abscence

2. There are benevolent encounters too.

3. It is not actually proven all the Zetans are a hostile race. The only race that is hostile seems to be the Draconian Reptillians. However, where is the evidence, that this race even exists as it has been portrayed?

Being spiritual is about keeping an open mind, not being judgemental or prejudiced and being wise. Are you being spiritual?

Your reasoning is the same as any ET skeptic, who claims that even though it is highly possible there is life in the universe, there is no proof. That is just being plain ignorant. So wouldn't it be hypocritical for someone like yourself who considers them proven, to use the same ET skeptic reasoning to support your contention that there are no advanced benevolent races? Yes it would.

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Originally posted by Indigo_Child
How can you say it is not probable. You only have a few samples out of a possible infinite races, and with little but circumstantial evidence for the few.

One does not need to know the other Space Races in order to see the spiritual indifference of the intellectual mindset. It is prevalent in many people here as well as among most of the scientists on this planet -- like the ones who perform medical experiments on animals. It equates to apathy to The Golden Rule and elevating Science as the end-all to everything. In other words, that Science is God.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I was a scientist and it lead me to become a spiritualist.

You are implying that you believe yourself to be spiritual. If that be the case, then you are the exception to the rule and not representative of the vast majority of scientists.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
You do not have to live in a cave or dwell in trees to be spiritual.

True, but you do have to value The Golden Rule. The Zetan races do not, as is indicated by the thousands of reports from abductees.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Well, again, the fact that there are possible infinite races in the universe, and we have only encountered a few, is supportive enough. I would rather not be prejudiced. That is not being spiritual.

It is very unwise to make the assumption that a high tech civilization is STO oriented, only to be conquered by same after making contact. The prospect of becoming a slave doesn�t appeal to most people.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Also, the accounts of angelic or light beings or the Pleadians, are not benevolent? There is a lot of testimonial evidence for the latter.

True. However, the "angelic or light beings" are spirits, not physical aliens. I know this from my many years of experience as a spiritual medium. That is why those who communicate with them channel illustrations of the aliens (often with the characteristic yellow aura in the illustration) instead of having photographs of actual physical aliens in physical interstellar spacecraft.

See the difference?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
1. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of abscence

That can be used to support my argument as well. However, there is much more testimonial evidence to support the notion of malevolent physical aliens than there is of benevolent physical aliens.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
2. There are benevolent encounters too.

True. However, the vast majority of accounts are about self-serving aliens that treat many of us as laboratory animals. Additionally, the small number of accounts of benevolent encounters are generally from people who channel alien spirits, not from people who have had a benign encounter with physical aliens. Most people who first investigate this area of life often distort the distinction between a physical alien encounter and that of channeling alien spirits. With experience, one learns differently.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
3. It is not actually proven all the Zetans are a hostile race. The only race that is hostile seems to be the Draconian Reptillians. However, where is the evidence, that this race even exists as it has been portrayed?

It is proven that the Zetans are a hostile race from thousands of eyewitness testimonies from abductees and also from various governmental insiders like (Ret.) US Army Sgt. Clifford Stone who is part of Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. The Reptilians stem from Zeta IV, as do the Greys and the Insectians. If there are Reptilians elsewhere, which stands to reason, I am open to the possibility.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Being spiritual is about keeping an open mind, not being judgemental or prejudiced and being wise. Are you being spiritual?

I am being very spiritual by selflessly forwarding a sometimes unpopular understanding about Zetan-aliens. My selflessness and compassion for abductees and people in general has brought me here to state the truth as I see it. A number of people have indeed altered their views because of what I have stated in this and other forums.

What have you done lately to help abductees who are victimized by spiritually indifferent aliens?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Your reasoning is the same as any ET skeptic, who claims that even though it is highly possible there is life in the universe, there is no proof. That is just being plain ignorant. So wouldn't it be hypocritical for someone like yourself who considers them proven, to use the same ET skeptic reasoning to support your contention that there are no advanced benevolent races? Yes it would.

There is abundant testimonial evidence that the Zetan-aliens are hostile.

The above conclusion is markedly different than just claiming that there are no aliens out of bias -- or, for that matter, claiming that the aliens are benevolent when the testimonial evidence points to the contrary. Both opinions are formed out of prejudice, not out of objective analysis.







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I would say that we do not live by the Golden Rule ourselves. None of us can claim such a thing. Should we expect others to follow a rule that we refuse to follow?

Originally posted by Der Kapitan
I would say that we do not live by the Golden Rule ourselves. None of us can claim such a thing. Should we expect others to follow a rule that we refuse to follow?

Some people do indeed strive to live by The Golden Rule. Granted, they are far and few between.

But simply because most don't is no excuse for not doing so yourself.

Unless of course, your spiritual destiny is of no personal importance to you.