Alien Types...?

Originally posted by kyateLaBoca
Yea I figured Al Blielik(I'm not going to spell his name correctly becuase I have no respect for him) was full of it. His site is still up trying to make an DIShonest dollar off us.

But if invisibility was achieved, why dont they use that now where they need it the most...IRAQ, AFGANISTAN

It is difficult to say how much of that is being used in the mainstream military. There are covert facets of the government with black projects that the vast majority of the military are not aware of.

Originally posted by Amelia
O.k...interesting!
But, I'm not a professional here..at all, I've just done many researches for a long time (even if I'm still young), so I understand that the greys are just a specie dying because they can't reproduce and they use humans to get hybrid specie to keep the specie alive. They made an agreement with the govs that in ecahnge of technology, they caould abduct some people (humans) and cattle. And the reptilians-draco, are undercover in the caverns, controlling trough the elite, power with blue blood (that is annunaki-ancient god) and the greys are a part of their plan. They want to enslave us, they want to keep us from our mission on earth and enlightment. They kinda are the fallen angels, the snakes in a metaphore way...And with the earth change coming, war and everything, they are taking over and we, societies, follow their rules...

Does it makes sens or too much profond...
Ameliaxxxxxxxxxxx
thanks

You have the basic idea Amelia.

However, the Zetans are not representative of any dying race. Instead, they are exploiting this planet and its peoples for selfish reasons and have been doing so for many thousands of years -- stemming back to the Anunnaki-Reptilians who jumpstarted Homo sapien life here in order to have a slave race to mine gold for them.

I remain skeptical about the Reptilians controlling the "blue blood elite." That sounds a lot like David Icke talking and I disagree with a lot of what he espouses.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
It is difficult to say how much of that is being used in the mainstream military. There are covert facets of the government with black projects that the vast majority of the military are not aware of.

Yea I agree, I think it is all being used incorrectly though. We could use some of that technology with our assault helicopters or whatever. Or how about an invisible flying saucer to deliver supplies to different parts of the country.

Is it possible, that the USA isn't that stupid to give anything to the aliens... ? Anybody heard about the copper stolen by UFOs from Russian factories? The USfriendly Greys could be behind that... and the US secret servise.

Child,

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
So, let me get this correct: You think, because the other(benevolent) races have not appeared/intervened, then it must mean they are not advanced enough for space travel? That makes sense.

Now that wasn't so hard now was it?

Well, maybe it was for you.

You are implying that you believe yourself to be spiritual. If that be the case, then you are the exception to the rule and not representative of the vast majority of scientists.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I suppose these great scientists are also exceptions to the rule?

Newton
Nicole Tesla
Albert Einstein
Erwin Schrodinger
Dr David Bohm

As well hundreds of contemporary quantum physicists that are bridging the gap between science and spirituality.

In other words, you are clearly wrong, and should not be ashamed to admit it. This proves that science can lead to spirituality. If it can in the case of me and these other greats, why can't it with people from other parts of the universe?

What makes a great scientist great?

Hmmm?

Is it their spirituality or is it their intellect?

Correlating spirituality to science is mainly an intellectual exercise. The cultivation of intellect, even for spiritual reasons puts one on the path towards basic spirituality (back to the yellow-auric spirits again) but it hardly is the end all in the spirituality arena of existence.

True, but you do have to value The Golden Rule. The Zetan races do not, as is indicated by the thousands of reports from abductees.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
What is this "golden rule" If the Zetans do not, then does that mean other's don't?

Have you been living under a rock? How can you claim to be spiritual when you don't even know what The Golden Rule is?

The Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." It represents the very highest spiritual principle and a form of it is in every major religion on this planet, as well as within many minor ones.

It is very unwise to make the assumption that a high tech civilization is STO oriented, only to be conquered by same after making contact.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Says who? You.

You betcha!

If we make the false assumption that a high-tech society follows the precepts of The Golden Rule and discover that they do not, we immediately become neck deep in kudzu.

Big time!

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
I am not going to use Nancy's Zetatalk. Benevolent does not have to mean service-to-others Logic dictates, that if some A's are B's, then not all A's are B's; If some hi-tech civilizations are hostile, then it does not mean all hi-tech civilizations are hostile. Your thinking is now veering towards fanaticism.

It is wise and prudent to psychoanalyze those that we know are of high technology so we can prepare our game plan for contact with other high tech societies later on. Knowing that the Zetans do not adhere to The Golden Rule or STO focus (which is synonymous), we can make a fairly strong assumption that other Space Races don't also. Therefore, we must be extremely careful in our contact with them, lest we be conquered as a result.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
There is testimonial evidence for the tooth fairy.

Maybe at YOUR place.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
What is an alien spirit? A spirit is an infinitesimal point of light, with no name, no form and transcends space and time. The Pleadians claim to be physical life forms from another space time configuration. They do not claim to be "alien spirits."

An "alien spirit" is a soul in the discarnate dimensions who had its last physical life in a humanoid system other than this one. I use the term "alien spirit" in order to distinguish between those who have had one or more incarnations here and those who have incarnated on another world.

It is proven that the Zetans are a hostile race from thousands of eyewitness testimonies from abductees and also from various governmental insiders like (Ret.) US Army Sgt. Clifford Stone who is part of Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. The Reptilians stem from Zeta IV, as do the Greys and the Insectians. If there are Reptilians elsewhere, which stands to reason, I am open to the possibility.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
No, actually it is only "proven" that they abduct human beings for experiments, then they bring them back. That does not prove they are hostile. As you use the same terminology as Nancy from Zetatalk, she has a rather different explanation for the Zetan abductions.

You need to read more...a lot more. Much of your opinion stems from ignorance.

I suggest the works of Budd Hopkins, Dr. John Mack, and Dr. David M. Jacobs to name a few good researchers.

There are even accounts of people being abducted, dissected, and then their corpse being dropped off in the same area where the abduction took place. You would know about things like that if you did the research.

Kidnapping is a federal crime in the US. Performing medical experiments on someone is a heinous act which, needless to say, carries a high penalty in a court of law. Laws were set up for a reason...to protect the citizenry. The Greys ignore our laws and use many of us as laboratory animals.

Only those who are SPIRITUALLY RETARDED have difficulty knowing and accepting the fact that kidnapping and medical experimentation on innocent people constitutes high crimes against humanity.

Are you SPIRITUALLY RETARDED?

Be honest...if you can that is.

Now let's talk a little about Nancy Lieder. You know, the one who predicted that Nibiru/Planet X/Marduk was to show up in this solar system in May of 2003? Well, it didn't turn out that way did it? The �Zetas� of ZetaTalk were all dead wrong (pun intended). If you align yourself with people in the spirit who are highly intellectual and spiritually retarded then you are going to get inaccurate information. Consequently, ZetaTalk just isn�t as popular as it used to be. Surprise, surprise!

What have you done lately to help abductees who are victimized by spiritually indifferent aliens?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Again, "Zetan aliens" so why drag the rest of the universe into your little personal war against them?

Translation: you have done nothing to help the victims of alien abduction.

There is abundant testimonial evidence that the Zetan-aliens are hostile.

The above conclusion is markedly different than just claiming that there are no aliens out of bias -- or, for that matter, claiming that the aliens are benevolent when the testimonial evidence points to the contrary. Both opinions are formed out of prejudice, not out of objective analysis.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
So you have formed it out of prejudice, not by being objective, and so it's a right thing to do? So much for being very spiritual

You are a moral reprobate and have absolutely no clue as to what spirituality is. Since you say you used to be a scientist, this only adds evidence to the idea that the intellectual focus leads to spiritual indifference.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
Again, where is this abundant testimonial evidence that the Zetan aliens are hostile? If they are, what does this have to do with aliens who are not. Your reasoning is based on sentiments and emotions, and you are backing this up with "spirituality" to make it righteous, which then turns into fanaticism. Thank god aliens are not here with us publicly walking around, you would probably start up a jihad movement against them, with the "golden rule" as your charter

Well, well, we all see that your true colors are coming to the fore.

Indigo_Child is a Zetan sympathizer.

Tell us...are you a close friend and supporter of Nancy Lieder and ZetaTalk?

Originally posted by kyateLaBoca

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
It is difficult to say how much of that is being used in the mainstream military. There are covert facets of the government with black projects that the vast majority of the military are not aware of.

Yea I agree, I think it is all being used incorrectly though. We could use some of that technology with our assault helicopters or whatever. Or how about an invisible flying saucer to deliver supplies to different parts of the country.

EM fields with open aircraft like helicopters is a very bad idea. You would need to have a totally enclosed craft that is adequately insulated in order to avoid having the crew suffer horrendous physical and psychological damage from exposure.

As far as using antigravity craft that is EM cloaked for the delivery of supplies to different places, it is quite possible that that is going on at present. There are also indications that covert manned exploration of space is ongoing.

I recall a quote from Ben Rich, former head of Lockhead Aircraft, as told to Jan C. Harzan, the MUFON California state section director. He stated the following before he died:

We already have the technology to move among the stars. What a shame it is that such breakthroughs are being hidden from humanity.

Originally posted by Vertu
Is it possible, that the USA isn't that stupid to give anything to the aliens... ? Anybody heard about the copper stolen by UFOs from Russian factories? The USfriendly Greys could be behind that... and the US secret servise.

It wouldn't surprise me. All kinds of covert activity goes on all around us. Even without cloaked ships in our skies.

LOL, that post was so silly and childish, I can't possibly take it seriously. Were you being "very spiritual" again? I do want to discuss further, but
I am sorry, your last post just came across as stupid and that is one trait I cannot tolerate. So i'll pass. You are clearly beyond sense and reason, good luck in your personal jihad against the evil Zetans

Oh, and again becase of your paucity of reason, you accuse me, actually, tell me, of being a Nancy Lieder supporter? On the contrary, I think she's a fraud and fearmonger. However it really does surprise me, that for someone who uses her terms STO and STS etc, would have so much disrespect for her? Wait, I am making the assumption you have sense? Nevermind.

As I said last post, when you start to make sense, we'll continue this discussion.

[edit on 16-10-2004 by Indigo_Child]

Child,

Still trying to get the last word?

NEWSFLASH: Aliens who kidnap innocents for medical experimentation are no better than terrorists who slaughter innocent people.

Oh, I forgot...

Being of the twisted intellectual mindset, you don't believe in things like MORALITY and THE GOLDEN RULE because you are no better than (and are of the same perverted mindset as) the Zetan Greys.



[edit on 16-10-2004 by Paul_Richard]

Hey Indigo_Child, are you a government disinformation agent?

That would explain why you promote a favorable view of the Greys who use many people here for breeding, slavery, medical experimentation and dissection.

Originally posted by Indigo_Child
good luck in your personal jihad against the evil Zetans

Actually, since I am not a Muslim...I prefer the word, Rebellion.

Originally posted by ThePunisher

there are practical reasons why the aliens/empire source materials like they may seem to do, a simple example of how it works would be people passing water in buckets, its much quicker to have many people pass the water in a line hand to hand thus eliminating the need to walk or move far, creating a constant fast supply etc, the same principal could be used by the aliens.

this process guarentees a constant stream of resources and also much diversity in the resources i.e. there is always a bucket(cargo ship etc) arriving to home planet, and through the process of goods condensing as the ships get closer to home each cargo arriving will have a bit of resource from nearly all there planets in the empire they control and empires they trade with.

(they will overide this system when they need a cargo to the home planet fast and just go more direct enstead of the stepping stone system i described)

but the majority of the time the planet to planet spaceship to spaceship cargo system can be used, which thus guarentees a resource product that is constantly arriving at home planet and feeding the planets/ships on the trade route and with full spectrum of resource needs/wants from each planet in the aliens trade when closer to home or the centre.

there is also a manufacturing process to this as well etc.

Hi TP,

That makes a lot of sense.

At one point they probably did obtain resources closer to home than from here. If the Sumerian clay tablets that Zecharia Sitchin deciphered are accurate, then they have been mining in this system for hundreds of thousands of years. In light of that, it is logical to assume that as the empire grew, its need for raw materials increased as well.

Originally posted by observe50
The Grey's are not doing anything that humans aren't doing think about it.

I can't speak for everyone in this forum but I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of us don't kidnap intelligent beings and use them for slavery, breeding, medical experimentation, dissection, and to use their glandular extracts as vitamin supplements!

A high-tech humanoid species' spiritual retardation is not a good rationale for following in their twisted footsteps toward eventual self-destruction.

[edit on 15-10-2004 by Paul_Richard]

"Intelligent" is relative, and would it really matter if the species was intelligent or not? And dont kid yourself, we do this all the time, we enslave species for food, medical experiments, dissection, product testing and whatever else we can think of. Assuming what is purported of certain alien races is true, then why are they so bad? Were doing the same exact thing.

[edit on 17-10-2004 by Alec Eiffel]

Aliens and abductees don't take in extasy, would you mind slowing down a bit?

I was just kidding....

Originally posted by Alec Eiffel
...would it really matter if the species was intelligent or not?

Yes, it does matter if the species is intelligent. There is a vast difference between killing an animal for food in order to survive and exploiting a humanoid civilization.

Originally posted by Alec Eiffel
And dont kid yourself, we do this all the time, we enslave species for food, medical experiments, dissection, product testing and whatever else we can think of.

I'm not kidding myself. In fact, outside of eating animal flesh on occasion, I don't do any of the things you mention. If I had the choice, I'd give up eating altogether. Eating is a necessity. Many believe that eating animals is not.

However, medical experimentation, dissection and the testing of products on animals is not done by everyone on this planet -- and many are opposed to those things. Not everyone can be counted among that facet of the scientific community that performs medical experiments on animals. Many products now have a label on them informing the public that no animal testing was peformed.

We are not all like the spiritually retarded Zetan-Greys and the rationale of "well, since they do it then we can too" is morally corrupt focus. Spiritual people who strive to live by The Golden Rule know the difference between good and evil and don't pursue enslaving others, medical experimentation and dissection -- to say the least.

We must individually rise above common morality (preferably to eventually become a "Light onto Oneself") or our karma will not allow us to survive in the Spirit after bodily death.

Yes, it does matter if the species is intelligent. There is a vast difference between killing an animal for food in order to survive and exploiting a humanoid civilization.

If intelligence is the deciding factor, then why not eat mentally disabled people? And regardless of what you read, you dont know the motives of any alien race, you dont know if they are exploiting us, if they are doing it to survive, or if its just for sport. Of course what I say is hypothetical, I dont really believe much of it.


I'm not kidding myself. In fact, outside of eating animal flesh on occasion, I don't do any of the things you mention. If I had the choice, I'd give up eating altogether. Eating is a necessity. Many believe that eating animals is not.

However, medical experimentation, dissection and the testing of products on animals is not done by everyone on this planet -- and many are opposed to those things. Not everyone can be counted among that facet of the scientific community that performs medical experiments on animals. Many products now have a label on them informing the public that no animal testing was peformed.

We are not all like the spiritually retarded Zetan-Greys and the rationale of "well, since they do it then we can too" is morally corrupt focus. Spiritual people who strive to live by The Golden Rule know the difference between good and evil and don't pursue enslaving others, medical experimentation and dissection -- to say the least.

We must individually rise above common morality (preferably to eventually become a "Light onto Oneself") or our karma will not allow us to survive in the Spirit after bodily death.

I wasnt talking about you, but humanity as a whole. I never said it was okay to do just because someone else does.Yes, perhaps spiritual people dont strive to perform medical experiments on un-willing species, but maybe certain alien species do, and regardless of what we think is "right" and "wrong", its all apparently relative. Of course, I dont even really believe much of any of that, its all too new-age for me.

[edit on 17-10-2004 by Alec Eiffel]

Originally posted by Alec Eiffel
Yes, it does matter if the species is intelligent. There is a vast difference between killing an animal for food in order to survive and exploiting a humanoid civilization.

You forget, that we are animals to the aliens, not intelligent species of any lifeform. This is nature. People are experimenting on rats and monkeys to explore the science, aliens do the same on humans. No difference. These aliens are intelligent, and they want to know more.

Exactly. Maybe the thought that we arent on the top of the food chain scare some people.

Originally posted by Vertu

Originally posted by Alec Eiffel
Yes, it does matter if the species is intelligent. There is a vast difference between killing an animal for food in order to survive and exploiting a humanoid civilization.

You forget, that we are animals to the aliens, not intelligent species of any lifeform. This is nature. People are experimenting on rats and monkeys to explore the science, aliens do the same on humans. No difference. These aliens are intelligent, and they want to know more.

I don't think they care much about how human bodies work.it's 50 years since they are supposed to be abducting people,if that is true and they are so intelligent,then they should know it all and not need to abduct us anymore.

Originally posted by Alec Eiffel
If intelligence is the deciding factor, then why not eat mentally disabled people?

If, at this point, you do not know the answer to that question, then it makes no difference what I state.

Originally posted by Alec Eiffel
I wasnt talking about you, but humanity as a whole. I never said it was okay to do just because someone else does.

The implication was there and many have used the moral scapegoat that since the Greys kidnap people and use them as laboratory animals, then it must be okay for us to imitate them. This of course is ridiculous.

Originally posted by Alec Eiffel
Yes, perhaps spiritual people dont strive to perform medical experiments on un-willing species, but maybe certain alien species do, and regardless of what we think is "right" and "wrong", its all apparently relative. Of course, I dont even really believe much of any of that, its all too new-age for me.

Moral relativism, which is what you, New Agers and others espouse, is a clever rationale for not taking responsibility for one's actions. After all, if all truth and morality is relative, then we can never be held accountable for anything that we do.

However, nothing can be further from the truth.

Near death experience research points to the idea that we are all held accountable for our actions and even our thoughts and intentions. That morality and truth are not relative at all, but absolute. The more spiritual people are, the clearer their perspective of what is right and what is wrong.

So it isn't a matter of rationalizing morality to serve one's purpose; it is a matter of growing spiritually through service to others and striving to live by The Golden Rule in order to have a clear moral compass with which to conduct our lives.