Alien Types...?

Well, we see that greys are cooperating with humans, they seem to give us technology and knowledge bit by bit...

In exchange they are asking for many things from humans to support their needs. But what could all that be?!

I believe, the greys could ask for metals, or other rersources, so they don't have to look for them on Pluto or Mercury. But there should be more detailed things they want from us, other than raw resources... It sounds crazy, but what if the Gov't is giving them humans for experiments, to kill? Would the Government do that if they are asking for it? ? ?

Originally posted by Iridium
Well, we see that greys are cooperating with humans, they seem to give us technology and knowledge bit by bit...

Yeah, in exchange for letting them abduct many thousands (some estimates are millions) of people around the world for medical experiments, breeding, slavery, dissection, to use their glandular extracts as vitamin supplements, among other heinous crimes committed against innocents!

All in the name of science of course.

"The ends do not justify the means."





[edit on 9-10-2004 by Paul_Richard]

I ask this not harping on you but to get some understanding. This kind of goes along with my posting earlier in this thread. Given that the Zeta Reticulum star system is some 40 odd lightyears from earth and that the aliens in question have mastered interstellar travel, what would they really need our resources for? Our planet's sun would be an indistinguishable speck in their sky, about the same as you or I seeing a flashlight held by an astronaut on the moon. There would have to be closer more easily obtainable sources for them to use. Reticulum is a binary star system,and there are other stars closer to them than us. The possibilty that things like our DNA being useful to them is real low. We are not even closely related to Chimps like we once thought. So what could you give me to make me see that they, the Greys, need us in any capacity beyond studying us a just another lifeform to catalogue?

[edit on 9-10-2004 by Der Kapitan]

[edit on 9-10-2004 by Der Kapitan]

Originally posted by Der Kapitan
Given that the Zeta Reticulum star system is some 40 odd lightyears from earth and that the aliens in question have mastered interstellar travel, what would they really need our resources for?

According to Zecharia Sitchin's findings, the Anunnaki-Reptilians originally came to this world and found it to have large deposits of gold, which they wanted. They found that they could come up with a slave race of Homo sapiens to mine the gold for them.

The Zetans use this world as a farm. Like a big supermarket that they can plunder in a number of ways basically whenever they want to do so. This is a planet that is rich in natural resources, which most of us take for granted. The Zetans know this and wish to make the best of it for their own selfish purposes.

Originally posted by Der Kapitan
There would have to be closer more easily obtainable sources for them to use.

I would not make that assumption.

Secondly, it is quite logical that they have already harvested applicable worlds between Terra and the Zeta 2 Reticuli System -- and may continue to do so presently.

Originally posted by Der Kapitan
The possibilty that things like our DNA being useful to them is real low.

Apparently our DNA and our planet's resources are very much useful to them.

Then there is another likely scenario...

There are probably other Space Races out there. They have to compete with those for the planets and resources they desire to expand their empire.

Terra is relatively underdefended and easily accessible to them for many resources. Granted, it is getting a little more difficult for them to harvest here than in centuries past.

Originally posted by Der Kapitan
So what could you give me to make me see that they, the Greys, need us in any capacity beyond studying us a just another lifeform to catalogue?

I don't think they truly need us as some believe. I think they just want to use us.

Therein lies the difference.



[edit on 9-10-2004 by Paul_Richard]

Exploit vs. need. Okay I see that. Isn't gold a fairly common element in the universe? I never have bought the idea that they need our gold and that we have the best source for it. Any race would need to weigh the economic cost of a venture vs. the return for the investment in time resources, etc. Now I mean economic as in output of time and resources used for said project, not physical money.

I wouldn't say, that the greys (or the others) would take the resources from here to their planet, as they could find them at a closer planet. They use them up right here, and consume all.

Probably the greys are more likely to be behind hostile abductions and murderous experiments, rather than simple mining or trade. In this case, the Government has the role to locate those people, who are no longer needed by the human community, and can be abducted or killed.

This is quite brutal and awesome, but the aliens are well interested in the human body and mind. If here is a primitive barbarian race, they are open to hostile and gruesome activity on the human race.

There is definately something fishy about that close cooperation between the Government and the greys. Anyone can see that...

Originally posted by Der Kapitan
Exploit vs. need. Okay I see that. Isn't gold a fairly common element in the universe? I never have bought the idea that they need our gold and that we have the best source for it. Any race would need to weigh the economic cost of a venture vs. the return for the investment in time resources, etc. Now I mean economic as in output of time and resources used for said project, not physical money.

Yes, exploitation versus genuine need.

Their desire for gold was documented in Sumerian clay tablets that date back many thousands of years. Gold is not all they are after and I am not even sure they still mine for gold here at all.

Think about it this way...

You have control over many planets and constantly need natural resources in order to maintain your factories and high-tech spacecraft. As such, you are constantly looking for inexpensive ways to obtain those natural resources. Terra is a perpetually open store of natural resources with an abundance of humanoid stock that can be used for breeding, slavery, etc.

Empires use slaves just as the Roman Empire did. One can say that that is a characteristic of an empire. Same goes for the Zetans.

In their eyes, why should they use their own people to mine and do menial labor when they can easily breed slave races to serve as their standing armies and servants -- like the Nordics and the Hybrids?

Zetan Long-Term Breeding Program

Gold is nothing, useless to the aliens. Copper is the key metal to create any material they want... and the government knows that very well....!

But this is not supposed to be any problem... Copper in exchange for technology . A genuine trade. But would the greys really want us to possess advanced technology?! No.

They aren't stupid, and they could know that the primitive humans would one day start a war on them, and use the technology against them. So all this is the fooling of humans, and probably they are laughing at us for our stupidity.

Still, the main problem is around the abductions...

[edit on 9-10-2004 by Iridium]

Originally posted by Iridium

Probably the greys are more likely to be behind hostile abductions and murderous experiments, rather than simple mining or trade. In this case, the Government has the role to locate those people, who are no longer needed by the human community, and can be abducted or killed.

This is quite brutal and awesome, but the aliens are well interested in the human body and mind. If here is a primitive barbarian race, they are open to hostile and gruesome activity on the human race.

There is definately something fishy about that close cooperation between the Government and the greys. Anyone can see that...

I agree that they are hostile. The problem is that they have superior technology and covert facets of our own government are in collusion with them in order to obtain greater technology. If we try to stop them, we better also be prepared for a civil war.

It's a real healthy situation.

I guess when you look at it from the Imperial-type aspect that would make some sense. Use the resources there rather than take it with you or transport it elsewhere. If the Zetans are not gathering and carrying resources off to their homeworld or elsewhere, does this imply a non-centric style of civilisation? No one to report home to, so to speak?

[edit on 9-10-2004 by Der Kapitan]

No. Just imagine the same: You go to the Jungle to do experiment on monkeys and crocodiles... you take some tin food, some instruments, and arrive. You decide to stay there for a long time, probably you start catching and roasting wild animals, not going back home for some more food.

This is the case with the aliens, too. They are here to examine this primitive human race, who destroy themselves and the nature. A masterwork of creation... peobably many alien species are interested of us.

If we kill each other, probably they will just leave.

Sure, but you are still doing something with the info reaped from your exploitation or experiments. We send it off to some corporation or lab for study and implementation. Are the Greys? Or are they using what they get here just to maintain their "colony." That scenario seems a dead end to me. Once they are done here, it would force them elsewhere, speading themselves thinner and thinner, like the Roman empire, which was sacked because the defensive forces were spread to thin across the known world.

[edit on 9-10-2004 by Der Kapitan]

Originally posted by Der Kapitan
I guess when you look at it from the Imperial-type aspect that would make some sense. Use the resources there rather than take it with you or transport it elsewhere. If the Zetans are not gathering and carrying resources off to their homeworld or elsewhere, does this imply a non-centric style of civilisation? No one to report home to, so to speak?

No, it doesn't necessarily indicate a non-centric civilization. Their main headquarters is probably still on Zeta IV. However, what it does point to is a large multi-system empire.

If I understand, we are talking about a possibly vast intersystem empire that doesn't seem to send any goods home? (research, gold, etc.) Is that wise? Or does that imply that each "colony" takes care of itself, resource-wise and that's how the "empire" is maintianed? What good is that to the homeworld? What would enforce the control one would expect to be in place in such a set up? Is our discussion even on topic??

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[edit on 9-10-2004 by Der Kapitan]

According to Zecharia Sitchin's findings, the Anunnaki-Reptilians originally came to this world and found it to have large deposits of gold, which they wanted.

lol...there are still people out there that take anything Sitchen says seriously?
That guy is a loony wacko nut job at best, and a racist money grubber at worst.
Have you noticed that he explains most non-European achievements in science and engineering know how as works of Alien super races? Like how could those backward savages have ever built anything as grand as ________(fill in the blank yourself), without the intervention of the master race...ooops...species.


[edit on 9-10-2004 by Zero Point]

They won't leave that easily, because they are experimenting on humans as they evolve from time to time... and they do send the research to their home planet, to fill up their 10million Terrabyte hard drive...

Originally posted by Der Kapitan
If I understand, we are talking about a possibly vast intersystem empire that doesn't seem to send any goods home? (research, gold, etc.) Is that wise? Or does that imply that each "colony" takes care of itself, resource-wise and that's how the "empire" is maintianed? What good is that to the homeworld? What would enforce the control one would expect to be in place in such a set up? Is our discussion even on topic??

This is an intriguing side issue...

As far as them shipping their resources home, it stands to reason that they do. As to what they ship and the quantities involved, I have no idea.

I'm not sure I even want to know at this point.

If you were the leader or part of the inner core of leaders in a vast Space Race empire, would you want your government to be centrally located?

Probably, as it is easier to control it that way. It also helps to deter imperially dominated planets from breaking away and forming their own smaller empires.

The Reptilian Elite like their fresh glandular extracts (vitamins) shipped daily from recently dissected Homo sapiens in the Sol System!

(For those who need the clarification, the above is a joke.)



[edit on 9-10-2004 by Paul_Richard]

A joke? I've using fresh glandular extract for hundreds....er, a FEW years now. Just don't tell the cops, please. All that serial killer stuff is bad for my image.

I knew there was something to that cough syrup.

I can hardly imagine, that aliens come here to Earth, only to mine (or steal) raw materials and take them back millions of light years away??? It doesn't make sense!! They can find all of them nearby.