Alien Types...?

Originally posted by Iridium
I can hardly imagine, that aliens come here to Earth, only to mine (or steal) raw materials and take them back millions of light years away??? It doesn't make sense!! They can find all of them nearby.

I wouldn't assume that the raw materials are used only on their home world and I would also not assume that the materials they current use are available locally.

They can just disassamble any planet or solar system, because they have the ability to do that. If they evolved to such degree, it does not prove that they are self-destructive, and they would leave any nature on its own without disturbing it. Even if they are hostile to humans, they would hardly "mine out" the Earth.

It could be still hard to believe, that cargo-UFOs are flying around, they could be easily seen from imaging devices. But ppl record relatively small UFOs and they are just not capable for transporting large amounts of metal.

What I can believe more, is that abductees or animals are transported home for murderous experiments.

Originally posted by Iridium
They can just disassamble any planet or solar system, because they have the ability to do that. If they evolved to such degree, it does not prove that they are self-destructive, and they would leave any nature on its own without disturbing it. Even if they are hostile to humans, they would hardly "mine out" the Earth.

True. But one must also consider that just because a society is technically advanced does not mean that they are also spiritually advanced and that they strive to live by the The Golden Rule. In which case, they mine as they wish.

As far as mining out a planet is concerned, that would take a very long time.

Originally posted by Iridium
It could be still hard to believe, that cargo-UFOs are flying around, they could be easily seen from imaging devices. But ppl record relatively small UFOs and they are just not capable for transporting large amounts of metal.

The small UFOs you are referring to are called probes and are used for surveillance and as a precursor to a kidnapping.

Zetan spacecraft have the ability to erect very strong electromagnetic fields. These provide them with not only stealth from radar but also what is termed in the industry, "optical invisibility."

As far back as 1943, the US Navy experimented with generating a strong electromagnetic field around a naval vessel in order to produce stealth from radar. What has come to be called The Philadelphia Experiment turned out to be a big success since not only was radar stealth achieved, but optical invisibility as well. However, the crew of the ill-fated US Eldridge were not adequately insulated from the harmful EM radiation and this resulted in horrific consequences for them both physically and psychologically.

So it is quite possible that our skies harbor many large interstellar spacecraft and that we simply cannot see them.

Originally posted by Iridium
What I can believe more, is that abductees or animals are transported home for murderous experiments.

The stealth technology of the Zetans provides an illusion of teleportation. Having had a number of close calls with aliens, whereby I had to basically "dodge the paralysis beams," I can speak from experience that they cannot walk through walls, read minds or teleport. If they could, I would not be here.

The stealth technology of the Zetans provides an illusion of teleportation. Having had a number of close calls with aliens, whereby I had to basically "dodge the paralysis beams," I can speak from experience that they cannot walk through walls, read minds or teleport. If they could, I would not be here.

You are joking right? Please say that you are.
Re the Phili experiment....you might wanna do some more research about the guy (Carlos Allende, a.k.a. Carl Allen) who first made the claim.
You know what they say....if you hear something enough times, you kinda start to believe it without question.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
True. But one must also consider that just because a society is technically advanced does not mean that they are also spiritually advanced and that they strive to live by the The Golden Rule. In which case, they mine as they wish.

As far as mining out a planet is concerned, that would take a very long time.

Zetan spacecraft have the ability to erect very strong electromagnetic fields. These provide them with not only stealth from radar but also what is termed in the industry, "optical invisibility."

As we know that the greys are in contact with the Government, I highly doubt that they really need those raw materials simply because they can find them elsewhere, and they wouldn't be exposed to humans every time they want to get those materials. On the other hand, if they kindly ask the government to hand over victims, they can do that in a controlled manner without generally harming the human society keeping it ready for further experiments... you know what I mean...

As for those fields: they are nothing more than very strong brain waves, on a technological platform. This means, that you won't see those UFOs but your camera will see that. Once you are out of range, you will see it on playback.

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
According to Zecharia Sitchin's findings, the Anunnaki-Reptilians originally came to this world and found it to have large deposits of gold, which they wanted. They found that they could come up with a slave race of Homo sapiens to mine the gold for them.

lol,so why aren't we working?and why is there still plenty of gold??

Originally posted by Zero Point

The stealth technology of the Zetans provides an illusion of teleportation. Having had a number of close calls with aliens, whereby I had to basically "dodge the paralysis beams," I can speak from experience that they cannot walk through walls, read minds or teleport. If they could, I would not be here.

You are joking right? Please say that you are.

Nope. It is as it is and was.

Originally posted by Iridium
As we know that the greys are in contact with the Government, I highly doubt that they really need those raw materials simply because they can find them elsewhere, and they wouldn't be exposed to humans every time they want to get those materials. On the other hand, if they kindly ask the government to hand over victims, they can do that in a controlled manner without generally harming the human society keeping it ready for further experiments... you know what I mean...

I get the impression that the government doesn't really get involved in the kidnapping process.

According to US Army Sgt. Clifford Stone, there are probably twelve or fewer alien bases around the planet. One would hope that not all of them are used for Homo sapien exploitation and that mining operations are going on.

Originally posted by Iridium
As for those fields: they are nothing more than very strong brain waves, on a technological platform. This means, that you won't see those UFOs but your camera will see that. Once you are out of range, you will see it on playback.

I wish that were the case.

However, my research has led me to believing that whenever one sees a UFO fade out following a glow of light, the craft is not teleporting away (as many believe). What is actually happening is that an EM field around the craft is activated for radar stealth and optical invisibility. Cameras and video equipment have no special ability to record a cloaked ship.

Originally posted by DarkSide

Originally posted by Paul_Richard
According to Zecharia Sitchin's findings, the Anunnaki-Reptilians originally came to this world and found it to have large deposits of gold, which they wanted. They found that they could come up with a slave race of Homo sapiens to mine the gold for them.

lol,so why aren't we working?and why is there still plenty of gold??

Sitchin espouses that the gold mining operation was hundreds of thousands of years ago. It is not much of a stretch to consider that they have found other places to obtain it. But then again, I am not totally convinced that mining is not still going on covertly.

As to why we aren't working, tell that to the thousands of abductees. Consider yourself lucky if you are not one of them.

Peaceful, benign aliens, who don�t stoop to use other humanoids as laboratory animals and slaves, will only be found in humanoid systems of medieval technology. We have to explore space to find them. They will not find us. The ones that find us are imperialistic and evil, like the Zetans.

Are you insinuating that technology is some form of evil?

Originally posted by Indigo_Child

Peaceful, benign aliens, who don�t stoop to use other humanoids as laboratory animals and slaves, will only be found in humanoid systems of medieval technology. We have to explore space to find them. They will not find us. The ones that find us are imperialistic and evil, like the Zetans.

Are you insinuating that technology is some form of evil?

Good question.

In and of itself, no it does not. But the route in getting there usually results in an apathetic stance towards The Golden Rule.

The path of Mind and Technology is not a spiritual path. That is why the Zetan-Greys, who are the most commonly reported aliens by abductees, are spiritually indifferent. They laugh at their Terran prisoners when they cry out for God to help them.

Those who embrace high technology in the Universe and who have manned, interstellar flight capability (i.e., the Space Races) are all self-serving and malevolent.

Logically, the only relatively friendly humanoid worlds out there are those that embrace medieval technology and strive to live by The Golden Rule. The ones that are worth pursuing are not so far down the path of Mind and Technology so as to find The Golden Rule valueless.

The path of Mind and Technology is a trap because eventually those on it believe that Science is their God.

After all, they can travel through space, seed new civilizations, and even genetically manipulate the DNA of hominids to come up with their own slave races. Surely, they surmise, they must truly be gods in their own right!

'why bother with earth mines when there are better elsewhere, why dont they source materials close to home etc?'

there are practical reasons why the aliens/empire source materials like they may seem to do, a simple example of how it works would be people passing water in buckets, its much quicker to have many people pass the water in a line hand to hand thus eliminating the need to walk or move far, creating a constant fast supply etc, the same principal could be used by the aliens.

this process guarentees a constant stream of resources and also much diversity in the resources i.e. there is always a bucket(cargo ship etc) arriving to home planet, and through the process of goods condensing as the ships get closer to home each cargo arriving will have a bit of resource from nearly all there planets in the empire they control and empires they trade with.

(they will overide this system when they need a cargo to the home planet fast and just go more direct enstead of the stepping stone system i described)

but the majority of the time the planet to planet spaceship to spaceship cargo system can be used, which thus guarentees a resource product that is constantly arriving at home planet and feeding the planets/ships on the trade route and with full spectrum of resource needs/wants from each planet in the aliens trade when closer to home or the centre.

there is also a manufacturing process to this as well etc.

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Those who embrace high technology in the Universe and who have manned, interstellar flight capability (i.e., the Space Races) are all self-serving and malevolent.

Logically, the only relatively friendly humanoid worlds out there are those that embrace medieval technology and strive to live by The Golden Rule. The ones that are worth pursuing are not so far down the path of Mind and Technology so as to find The Golden Rule valueless.

The path of Mind and Technology is a trap because eventually those on it believe that Science is their God.

This is a very sweeping statement, can you be so sure that benevolent races in the universe are not technologically advanced?
It is really not technology that causes a society to degenerate, it is the state of mind of society that does that. Technology can aid the development of society, in combatting diseases, providing education, information and entertainment, controlling the weather and natural changes, providing and developing energy solutions, travelling, improving the quality of life, improving the economy, uniting the planet and defending themselves.

A society can be spiritual and technological at the same time, in fact a balance between the physical and spiritual is what induces the harmony and leads to a more peaceful, secure and connected world. I do not see any reason why an intelligent race would halt it's technological growth, I think technological growth is a natural, instinctive process of evolution. Unless of course they were already deity beings and had the powers to do anything with the mind.


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Just in case some of you misunderstand the evolution on highly intelligent species: Their mind evolves in tens of millions of years, same like their body. In this time they can possess a really intelligent mind with special capabilities, while they are still hanging on the trees and running from their predators.

Human mind is said to evolve in 2 million years, which is just a big nonsense..!!Isn't this strange?

What I mean, is that these species didn't start up with killing each other, and launching nukes on countries, because by the time they discovered fire, they were ready for the evolution of technology..

Originally posted by Iridium
I can hardly imagine, that aliens come here to Earth, only to mine (or steal) raw materials and take them back millions of light years away??? It doesn't make sense!! They can find all of them nearby.

Not nesesarily. Just because we have some materials here on Earth, doesn't mean that it's available everywhere. We have material here, that is very scarce in different parts of the universe.

Like, Earth has little plasma, which is mostly only used in neon signs, lasers, and some household appliances. But in space and in other parts of the universe, plasma has a very large quantity.

That is a very good point, But how do you figure that ancient ninja's made specific star charts and were able to carefully describe several different kinds of alien species????

I would still like to know how we have such specific info on them (like when they joined the space UN and stuff) I find this hard to believe that people picked this up last being abducted. And if you think about it they would talk their own language when not in direct contact with humans so how could be pick anything up.

PS I am relay not convinced that aliens visited this planet at all (though I do believe they do exist some were).

Side note did any one see that episode of crusade (Babylon 5 sequel) in which they meet an alien race were the government had created a conspiracy to persuade people that aliens were doing stuff on there planet. But in reality it was just a government plot so that the population would have some thing to mistrust and would ignore what was relay going on.

Originally posted by Elfwood
I would still like to know how we have such specific info on them (like when they joined the space UN and stuff) I find this hard to believe that people picked this up last being abducted. And if you think about it they would talk their own language when not in direct contact with humans so how could be pick anything up.

I am in telepathic contact with a species of aliens, so I recieve informations recently about them and why they are here, or what they want from us. Also, some aliens often make comments here on the ATS, so better watch out for them, they are very useful.

The official version is always lieing, and abductees never come back alive. It's a strict rule!

Originally posted by Yasuhiko23
Like, Earth has little plasma, which is mostly only used in neon signs, lasers, and some household appliances. But in space and in other parts of the universe, plasma has a very large quantity.

Plasma is not a material. It's a material state or whatever it's called and I highly doubt they use it in the things you mentioned. You might be thinking about the neon, argon row in the chemichal table, the inert/noble gases.

This thread was a funny one, the only persons who seems to be standing with two feets on the ground is Zero Point and Der Kapitan. All the others seem to be floating in space with their alien buddies/enemies.

I say what many others already have said, why come to our little tiny flyspeck when there is asteroids, meteorids, planets and suns with material everywhere. And if they happened to be after slaves, why not make genealtered version of themselves and clone them to all eternity.

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Plasma IS used in neon signs. the little tube light things u would normally see in a bar or, an Open sign.